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MAC
04-13-2004, 06:41 PM
taxes (http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bush-income-taxes,0,5118116,print.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines)

WASHINGTON -- President Bush reported $822,126 in adjusted gross income for last year, on which he paid $227,490 in federal income taxes -- or about 28 percent, according to the president's federal returns released Tuesday by the White House.

Bush and his wife, Laura, listed as income his presidential salary, interest and the investment income from trusts that hold their assets.

The Bushes' income and tax bill was slightly lower than the previous year, when the First Couple reported $856,056 in adjusted gross income and paid $268,719 in federal income taxes. For 2002, the Bushes paid about 31 percent of their income in federal taxes.

The White House also released the 2003 tax return filed by Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne. They reported $1.3 million in adjusted gross income and owed $253,067 in federal taxes. The Cheneys' 2003 tax bill -- much lower than the $341,114 they paid for 2002 on just slightly less money -- represented just 20 percent of their income.

For 2002, the Cheneys paid 29 percent of their adjusted gross income in federal taxes. Their income includes the vice president's $198,600 government salary and the $178,437 he earned in deferred compensation from Halliburton Co., the Dallas-based energy services firm he headed until Aug. 16, 2000. Cheney elected in 1998 to recoup over five years a portion of the money he made in 1999 as chief executive officer of Halliburton.

"The amount of deferred compensation received by the vice president is fixed and is not affected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings in any way," said a statement released by the vice president's office -- a word-for-word reiteration of the statement he released last year.

The vice president's office made the statement to explain the deferred compensation. Cheney's office has repeatedly stated that the vice president doesn't have a financial stake in the success of Halliburton, nor does he have anything to do with defense contracts.

The Cheneys' income also includes Mrs. Cheney's income from work at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based think tank, and compensation from her service on the Reader's Digest board of directors in 2003.

The White House distributed the Bushes' federal form 1040 for 2003 with attached schedules two days before the April 15 filing deadline. For Cheney, only the federal form 1040 was released.

The Bushes reported itemized deductions of $95,043, including $68,360 to churches and charitable organizations, including Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, Md., Tarrytown United Methodist Church in Austin, Texas, St. John's Church in Washington, D.C., the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas and the federal government's Combined Federal Campaign.

The Bushes paid $21,352 in state property taxes on their ranch near Crawford, Texas, up from $19,902 last year.

The Cheneys reported itemized deductions of $454,649. The couple donated $321,141 to charity in 2003, mostly in royalties from the sales of Mrs. Cheney's books, "America: A Patriotic Primer," "A is for Abigail" and soon-to-be-out "Fifty States."

Bush overpaid his 2003 taxes by $61,451, and elected to apply the entire amount to their 2004 tax bill.

The Cheneys overpaid their taxes by $5,712 and also directed that amount to go toward their 2004 taxes.
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bush paid 28% tax
cheney paid 29%

they both got ass raped IMHO

then they end the article with them over paying by thousands of dollars

good for him, he's fucking rich.
I'm not.

we both earned, we both paid.
the lesson here is he thinks it's OK to fuck me harder and harder as I earn more and more.

so what's the incentive?
greed?
pride?

must be, because I can't think of any good reason to let yourself be raped like that. I can't think of anything I want so badly that I'd give up 1 in 3 of every thing I earn to have it.

Imagine if we fought wars (http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm) like that
you are so dedicated to what you are fighting for that you send 1 in 3 men to their deaths to win.

MAC
04-13-2004, 06:49 PM
a history of colonial taxes in the US (http://www.policyreview.org/AUG02/rabushka.html)
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When the dust settled on the seventeenth century, 250,000 colonists had secured for themselves the power to tax and spend that was largely free from governors and their officials sent from England, appointed by the proprietors, or selected from among themselves in the charter colonies. Even when rates, poll taxes, duties, and other levies were authorized by elected representatives to colonial legislatures, taxpayers sought to minimize their taxes in every imaginable way, from hiding real assets to undervaluing farmland to making payment in sub-standard commodities to outright refusal to pay. The first century of the American colonies set a firm low-tax foundation that underpinned the economic freedom of generations of Americans to come.
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hmmmm

TotalAnarchy
04-14-2004, 02:29 AM
Look. You pay shit in taxes. You are well off. Trust me.

Do you want a quick rundown on Australian taxes?

$0 – $6,000
Nil

$6,001 – $21,600
17c for each $1 over $6,000

$21,601 - $52,000
$2,652 plus 30c for each $1 over $21,600

$52,001 – $62,500
$11,772 plus 42c for each $1 over $52,000

Over $62,500
$16,182 plus 47c for each $1 over $62,500.

Yet we have the second best living standard in the world, as well as an economy which has survived everything the world could throw at it since 1991 (last time a recession happened). Asian currency crisis, Japanese slump, global downturn, war, oil hikes, rising and falling dollars (to the point of about 80% (from 48c to the USD to over 80c to the USD). Taxes mean less than other factors.

MAC
04-14-2004, 04:20 AM
so lets say that TA works his butt off and makes $70,000 next year and I move to aussy land and get a take a job making $30,000

(using the above figures)
I pay 17-1/4% and TA pays 28%

that's great
his success means he SHOULD have to pay more to keep up the roads and build the libraries and schools and feed the homeless

why?

because he's the benevolent aristocracy who has been blessed by God which dictates him to pay more to ensure his place in heavan. how coudl you NOT be willing to give a alrger % of what you've earned when you have more and obviously be less willing to give a larger % when you have less?

He lives in a nice house, I live in a shitty one. He has a nice car, I have a crappy one. He eats out when he wants to, I can only eat out once per week at best. He buys better insurance and can afford to invest more to protect his future income and health. He has nicer clothes and lives in a safer neighborhood so he feels better about himself.

He has more to give so he won't miss that higher rate?

I mean he doesn't have bags of money laying around but he has more than me.

So there IS a reason for a GOV'T to tax a higher rate on one individual than on another in a FREE society

Just like if he murdered a guy by accident in a wreck he could get 10 years in prison easy (with probation probably) but if he murdered 3 kids by getting drunk and starting an apartment fire he'd get 50 years easy but if he beat his kids to death with a bat so he could marry his drug dealing girl friend he'd get life in a heart beat.

it's like PUNISHMENT

sorta

I mean, he's sorry about causing my low income right?

His success holds me down because there are only so many good jobs and he's been unusually lucky to get where he is other wise I'd be there too

that and life is easier for him than for me because he have more money

and our whole nation is better because the rich give more

do any of you buy that line of crap?