fate, destiny, coincidence...

[Lady Sianna]

<FONT COLOR="purple">do you believe in fate or destiny, and if so, to what extent? (specifically regarding human relations...)

i believe that we cross paths with certain people for very specific reasons...the universe does its part by bringing us together. as to where things go from that point? entirely up to us.

i'm referring to friends, lovers, allies of a greater cause, those from whom we learn & those who we teach, any & all significant relationships along this whirlwind of a journey...

it is empowering & also frightening to think that we hold that much influence over the direction our life takes.

any thoughts, ideas, beliefs from you lovely THT-ers?! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="red">it is a great wind that stirs my soul...</FONT c>

[This message has been edited by Lady Sianna (edited 05-06-2001).]

[skalie]

I believe firmly in fate, destiny and coincidence.

I've lived too long and too luckily not to.

It's the old 'Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' trick, some would call it karma. It's treated me well.

If anyone's even thinking about calling me a hippy or a christian after that last statement go fuck yourself backwards.

[disturbed]

is like to think that i treat people well all of the time. i have had my part of being treated like shit. but i agree with lady sianna, i think that destiny give you certian opportuinties but what you do after that is up to you. as far as fate. only i control the fate of my life. i am in control. fuck fate, its all up to me.

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[Buddha's Penis!]

i've said this before, but i'll say it again because i like to:
the concept of fate is pointless. whether you believe events are predestined or not, only one reality exists. if a meteorite smashes through my ceiling and crushes my puny little head, that's fate. it was fated that i would die at the hands of a hurtling rock from space. however, if that meteorite were to miss me, i would also call that fate.
to say that you think there is a predetermined path in life doesn't change the fact that you make choices every day that affect the events of your life. anything that happens was "fated" to happen, because it couldn't possibly be any other way.


muffy and i had a bit of a discussion about this here (http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000032.html) , and actually, i just remembered a question that i don't believe was answered; how does the belief that events are fated to occur affect your actions?

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you don't know anything until you know everything.

[Lady Sianna]

<FONT COLOR="purple">wow! i read through the buddha's penis/muffy discussion...spurred much chaos in me 'ead! (but in that good way)

will have to put thoughts in order before attempting to address...

i am definitely not of the pre-determinist flavour, nor do i believe that this reality is based entirely upon free will...does that make me a dualist?! (i hate labels! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif)

will expound on that later.

thanks for the jumpstart... http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif</FONT c>



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<FONT COLOR="red">it is a great wind that stirs my soul...</FONT c>

[Cruise Director]

I believe it is my FATE to control my DESTINY.

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We all float down here...

[Pianomahnn]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by skalie:
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You damn Christian Hippy. Back where ye cometh from. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif

Actually...I guess you could justify your words by your "do unto others thing." Although one can jusity a lot if they put enough stuff together.

My point is that fate is not there. It's all just the way things go. There are EVIL people who do evil things that get a lot of stuff that us nice people deserve. And there are evil people who get evil shit.

It's simply a bunch of atomic particles interacting in no real way. Fate, along with religions, is just one more thing made up to explain why things happen.

IMHO.

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[King Bastard]

<FONT COLOR="Red">Well, of course belief in predestination will have some effect on the actions of a person, even if in thier own heads. Im sure that people like David Koresh and those freaky fucks like him felt it was thier "destiny" to have things turn out as they did for them. Truth be told, it's a really odd concept.

Now as for my beliefs.. I am sitting on the fence about it. Logic dictates that every action or lack of action I take would piss about with what the universe wants to happen to me. but there have been too many times that I felt meeting a person was no more than a learning experience. As if I had to know this person, even if for the briefest of times, just to become a bit better as a person.

all I know for sure right now is that it's really fucking late, and there are tons of people going to work, when I should be headed for bed. Fuck.....</FONT c>

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Borne of sin, C',mon in... Andre Linoge; Storm of the Century

[Koliedrus]

We exist in 4 recognizable dimensions:

1. Height (up/down)
2. Width (left/right)
3. Depth (forward/back)
4. Time

Time gets most people confused. Whether it is tackled by physicists, theologians or science-fiction writers, the aspects of time are questionable at best. Without the help of some as yet unidentified process, time has only one direction; Future.

We can THINK of the past quite easily. Still yet, our memories come into question.

One theory appeals to my sense of logic. I can't begin to describe the mathematics involved so I'll put on Cruise's Hat instead.

If you picture the universe as a lemon, the narrowest points mark the beginning and ending of space and time. The content is already defined and stationary.

I'll not touch upon the aspects of free will etc. Think of this as an offering. I would be interested in your perspective.

Let the debate continue!!!! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Subdivided.

(Edit: Read this. It cost's less than a dollar. Thank me later.)

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[This message has been edited by Koliedrus (edited 05-07-2001).]

[MAC]

*theMAC stretchs his arms up over his head*
*he leans back in his chair and takes a deep breath*

Ever go for a walk in the woods?
Who decides where all those trees grow?
Who picks which ones get moss or vines?
Who picks where the flowers end up?
What color will they be?

Want an easy answer?
God.
Need a little more?
Its a process God started in motion.
Still not satisfied?
The entire course of time until this moment is a complex mathematical equation with chemical variables and infinated adjustment on parallel planes of reality.

Next.
Have you every walked through a garden?
Or a orchard?
Seen rows of flowers and trees.
Flower colors chosen carefully.
Tree shapes pruned attentively.
By the gardener.

But the gardener works with what was there to begin with.
Chaos made into the order of your choosing.

You must study how it works.
You must try with out fear of failure.
You must set aside a plot.
You must till the soil.
You must plant it the seeds you wish to grow.
You must water it and weed it.
Then you must be patient.

The reality is you can't make it happen.
However, if you follow the rules and dedicate yourself to the means, the ends will come and you will have affected them.

*theMAC has fallen soundly asleep*


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[Dog Breath]

I agree with BP. Future events are set but from our perspective it really doesn't matter. I believe there are people whom have predicted the future quite accurately. How could that happen if the future is random?
This concept however should have no effect on your choices or day to day life as it does not apply and has only psychological significance.

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Woof.
If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[Buddha's Penis!]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by skalie:
It's the old 'Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' trick, some would call it karma. It's treated me well.

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i agree with this (except for the use of "karma" which is really a different concept, but i digress). to act any other way is ignorance and arrogance, by which i mean TOP.
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you don't know anything until you know everything.

[This message has been edited by Buddha's Penis! (edited 05-08-2001).]

[Goatboy]

<FONT COLOR="Red">Future events are not set.

They have an increased probability of occurance through the impetus of past events, but the future will always be dynamic.

The lemon analogy is wrong I think.

There is of course a beginning and an end to space/time, but to make the blind jump and say that the events in between are 'set' (defined and stationary) is ridiculous. Please explain to me how you made this somewhat inexplicable leap of faith (preferably without the math).</FONT c>

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[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Goatboy:
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There is of course a beginning and an end to space/time, but to make the blind jump and say that the events in between are 'set' (defined and stationary) is ridiculous. Please explain to me how you made this somewhat inexplicable leap of faith (preferably without the math).</FONT c>

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I would like to hear that one myself.




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[King Bastard]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Koliedrus:


If you picture the universe as a lemon, the narrowest points mark the beginning and ending of space and time. The content is already defined and stationary.

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<FONT COLOR="Red">So, am I to understand that when life gives you time and space, one should make lemonaide? http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

See, I have nothing of value to add to this.

ok no wait, maybe I do.

About the prediction of the future. If a gullable person goes to a fortune teller, and said fortune teller warns the person to avoid taking the bus, seeing as how the might well die in a crash, and that person rides the subway instead.... and subsequently dies on the platform after getting pushed into an oncoming train.... does that mean that it was predetermined to happen?

Sorry, I need sleep. That, and I wanted to see just how long a rambling sentence I could write. Thank you for your tolerance in this matter,</FONT c>

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[mute]

ooo i love this topic...
i try not to think about it...
buuut here it goes..

i believe fate/destiny/whutever you like to call it is our "god"... i call it life..

for example, "the stream of life"

something is holding this universe together. if there wasn't something controlling everything, it would be complete chaos, happiness, sorrow, anything, you name it... and it would all end up nothing... seriously, when i say it i mean literally "nothing"... but that's a whole other ball game...

i made this one up myself...
"we all walk the same path, a very big path."

i'm trying to fit this into it as well... something like.. you can break off the path, but you'll end up back on it... sound good enuf?

now, about "crossing paths with certain people"... yes and no... love is a good one..

after you meet this person and fall in love with them, you will believe that "fate" brought you 2 together...

it's hard to say.. i believe "fate" isn't letting us(meaing me and someone else) be together... even controlling my thoughts...
(hypothetically saying)

i also believe people can make they're own destiny... like i said, yes and no... it's hard to talk about, i can think it perfectly, but can't say it right..

i would like to believe that certain people can break the binds of fate, and do things other deemed "impossible", but hey nothings impossible right?

ask me any questions, it makes it easier to say whut i'm really trying to say... did i do go0d?

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[mute]

i agree with buhda on this one too(i decided reading after i posted)

like i said, yes and no...

i firmly believe though there is something binding this universe, life i call it..

sorry to repeat myself

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[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="orange">There is NO fate. Some events happen because of our actions. Other events happen due to random occurances. What will be, will BE, but whatever that is, it is not predetermined.</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="orange">Even the losers...
Get lucky sometimes.</FONT c>

[Dog Breath]

I knew you would say that HA! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Woof.
If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="orange">It must have been fate.</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="orange">Even the losers...
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