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Billyman
01-10-2004, 11:37 PM
Especially if you've ever worked for Wal-Mart. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=509&ncid=509&e=10&u=/ap/20040109/ap_on_bi_ge/wal_mart_insurance_lawsuit_1)

DALLAS - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. has settled a lawsuit over its practice of taking out life insurance on employees and making itself the beneficiary.

The settlement with families of employees who died was reached hours before a federal appeals court ruled against the giant retailer. Terms of the deal, reached Monday, were not disclosed.

Although only about six families were part of the lawsuit, a lawyer for the families said the settlement could benefit relatives of several hundred other Wal-Mart employees.

The families who sued claimed that Wal-Mart never told workers about the life insurance policies, and they were enraged that the company profited but they received nothing from the proceeds.

"A large percentage of the population doesn't approve of the morality or the ethics of this type of conduct," Mike Myers, a Houston attorney for the families, said Friday. "My clients' reaction, when they found out, was stunned and disbelief, turning to frustration and anger."

Lawyers for Wal-Mart referred inquiries to the company in Bentonville, Ark. Company officials did not immediately comment Friday on the settlement.

The families sued in 2001. A federal court judge ruled in their favor, finding in effect that Texas law limited such insurance policies to key employees.

Wal-Mart appealed to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) in New Orleans, but lawyers for the company and the family members reached a settlement hours before the court issued its ruling on Monday, upholding the victory by relatives and saying that Wal-Mart "unlawfully took funds that, under Texas law, rightfully belonged" to a dead worker's estate.

Wal-Mart is one of many large U.S. companies in recent years that have taken out policies on the lives of employees, ranging from executives to workers on the bottom rungs of the pay ladder, with the goal of collecting benefits when the employees die. Companies term the policies corporate-owned life insurance, or COLIs. Critics call them dead-peasant policies.

Wal-Mart set up a trust in 1993 and named itself as beneficiary on policies for 355,000 employees. The company has said it lost money on the transactions, and it unwound the policies in 2000 after Congress and the Internal Revenue Service (news - web sites) took away tax advantages of the program.

Hartford Life Insurance Co., which sold the policies to Wal-Mart and was the original defendant in the lawsuit, was not involved in the settlement.

Uberwonder
01-10-2004, 11:43 PM
See? Walmart is the DIBBEL!!!!

MAC
01-11-2004, 05:15 PM
I can BUY insurance on anyone and anything.
I can insure your ass and when you DIE I can KEEP the money.
I paid money to a company under a legal contract that says that when you DIE I get the money.

I'm not aware of any impact this would have on you at all. It doesn't affect your credit, your net worth, or your insurance rating.

so what's wrong with walmart doing this?
Well isn’t it obvious?
They want you dead so their profits go up…….
No wait

Ummm

How about, they invested their money in your training, benefits and the liability they carry for having you work there?
.....and THIS puts something back so they don't have to take it from the profits, which keeps profits higher, net-value higher, costs lower, and business up.

that's it

it's good for the company that employs your stupid ass and the OTHER employees who work with you

but fuck them!
this place will shut down when you leave and you don't need this job anyway!

Billyman
01-11-2004, 06:14 PM
Do you get kickbacks from Wal-Mart Mac?

I've never seen such a supporter of fuckery.

SimpleSimon
01-12-2004, 12:25 AM
Mac is exactly correct, except for saying he can insure you without your knowledge or consent. That varies from state to state.

I have in the past had employers insure my life, with the company as the beneficiary. No skin off my nose, and frankly, it is good practice for the company if the employee would cost a significant amount to replace.

Billyman
01-12-2004, 01:58 AM
You have to understand that I post these Wal-Mart stories on Mac’s behalf. He loves wally world and I can’t stand it. If it had been Microsoft instead of Wal-Mart, I never would’ve posted it. I just like to see what he has to say. :p

I too have had companies insure my life and they were the beneficiary. We had to sign a release form allowing them to do so and the policy was suppose to be terminated when a person was no longer an employee. For all I know, they’re still waiting for me to die so they can capitalize. *shrugs*

The companies were Mt.Olive Pickle Co. and Allen Canning Co. There’s an Allen’s in Lindale TX by the way.

I LOVE YOU MAC!

Pianomahnn
01-12-2004, 02:34 AM
If Wal-Mart is LEGALLY allowed to do such things, why don't these people complain to the politicians creating the laws?

It seems like good business sense on Wal Mart's part (assuming legality).

Billyman
01-12-2004, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by Pianomahnn
If Wal-Mart is LEGALLY allowed to do such things, why don't these people complain to the politicians creating the laws?


You already know the answer to that P-dude. ;)

Pianomahnn
01-12-2004, 06:17 AM
I'm thinking of a few viable answers here.

I need to narrow it down to stay sane. Help?

Billyman
01-12-2004, 06:28 AM
You won't get any money bitching to the politicians

You'll only get money by sueing. In this case, Wal-Mart.

Rule of thumb: Go for deep and easy pockets.

Pianomahnn
01-12-2004, 02:55 PM
But if Wal Mart is legally granted the right to insure, these whinie asses shouldn't get any money.

Oh, sorry. I forgot this is teh USA. Land of retarded ass people getting money they don't deserve.

Barbie
01-12-2004, 04:58 PM
In Canada, (at least in BC and in Alberta) a person can insure anyone they want (if they are paying the insurance policy) without that person's knowledge. But you can't recieve the payout without proof of death. (Certificate, ORIGINAL) -
But like Simon said for the States, that might be a province to province thing.
The reason I know this: I have a policy on my ex-husband and have had such since we split up. So long as I am able to petition for death certificate from the Alberta Registries (which I can as the guardian of HIS daughter, I would be entitled to $250,000.
Which as the case with alot of people, is more than he's worth alive.


Why a big company would do this? see Mac's comments. :D