The day after tomorrow

[Barbie]

Where will you be the day after tomorrow? (http://clk.about.com/?zi=1/XJ&sdn=romanticmovies&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.totaleclips.com%2FPlayer%2FSplash.aspx%3Fcustid%3D9%26clipid%3De18642%26amp%3Bpl ayerid%3D38)

I've been looking forward to this movie.

Maybe cheesy, but still...I look forward.

www.thedayaftertomorrow.com

[SimpleSimon]

I want to see this one!

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/skycaptainandtheworldoftomorrow/

[Koliedrus]

Looking forward is a good thing!

Cheesy? Maybe. Lactose-induced farts are better than heartburn.

I'll bite.

[Barbie]

I'm looking forward to the special effects.

I hear that this is what the movie is really all about. I mean, it' from the guy who did Independance Day. Substance?
Who knows,
Jake Gyllenhaul? (spelling)
You bet!

[Mudflap]

Let's see...

We're definately on borrowed time. Off the top of my head:

The Earth's magnetic poles are overdue to reverse by about 250,000 years. The magnetic field has decreased by 6% in the last century. We probably couldn't survive the transistion.

The magma "pocket" under Yellowstone National Park is also overdue to erupt/explode. The force of which, will most likely be several thousands of times greater than that of Mt. Saint Helens.

Planet killing sized asteroids pass within mere miles of Earth on an average of 2 to 3 times per week.

Chloroflorocarbons, aka CFC's, undoubedtly the worst invention of the 20th century, are still wreaking havoc on our ozone layer, despite being banned in 1974. Stellar radiation and cosmic rays will increasingly penetrate our atmosphere and unravel our DNA most unpleasantly.

This movie is about the polar ice caps melting, which they are. Has our influence on the planet caused it? Hard to say. Weather patterns on Earth have experience tremendous variation long before humans ever appeared.

I look forward to this movie as well, though I'll probably have to wait for the DVD. If I survive that long. If we all survive.

Live for tomorrow!

[Barbie]

If the polar ice caps melted, how much would the oceans rise? (http://science.howstuffworks.com/question473.htm)

You may have heard about global warming. It seems that in the last 100 years the earth's temperature has increased about half a degree Celsius. This may not sound like much, but even half a degree can have an effect on our planet. According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) the sea level has risen six to eight inches (15 to 20 cm) in the last 100 years (see question 356 for information on measuring sea level).
This higher temperature may be causing some floating icebergs to melt, but this will not make the oceans rise. Icebergs are large floating chunks of ice. In order to float, the iceberg displaces a volume of water that has a weight equal to that of the iceberg. Submarines use this principle to rise and sink in the water by changing their weight.

But the rising temperature and icebergs could play a small role in the rising ocean level. Icebergs are chunks of frozen glaciers that break off from landmasses and fall into the ocean. The rising temperature may be causing more icebergs to form by weakening the glaciers, causing more cracks and making ice more likely to break off. As soon as the ice falls into the ocean, the ocean rises a little.

If the rising temperature affects glaciers and icebergs, could the polar ice caps be in danger of melting and causing the oceans to rise? This could happen, but no one knows when it might happen.

The main ice covered landmass is Antarctica at the South Pole, with about 90 percent of the world's ice (and 70 percent of its fresh water). Antarctica is covered with ice an average of 2,133 meters (7,000 feet) thick. If all of the Antarctic ice melted, sea levels around the world would rise about 61 meters (200 feet). But the average temperature in Antarctica is -37°C, so the ice there is in no danger of melting. In fact in most parts of the continent it never gets above freezing.

At the other end of the world, the North Pole, the ice is not nearly as thick as at the South Pole. The ice floats on the Arctic Ocean. If it melted sea levels would not be affected.

There is a significant amount of ice covering Greenland, which would add another 7 meters (20 feet) to the oceans if it melted. Because Greenland is closer to the equator than Antarctica, the temperatures there are higher, so the ice is more likely to melt.

But there might be a less dramatic reason than polar ice melting for the higher ocean level -- the higher temperature of the water. Water is most dense at 4 degrees Celsius. Above and below this temperature, the density of water decreases (the same weight of water occupies a bigger space). So as the overall temperature of the water increases it naturally expands a little bit making the oceans rise.

In 1995 the International Panel on Climate Change issued a report which contained various projections of the sea level change by the year 2100. They estimate that the sea will rise 50 centimeters (20 inches) with the lowest estimates at 15 centimeters (6 inches) and the highest at 95 centimeters (37 inches). The rise will come from thermal expansion of the ocean and from melting glaciers and ice sheets. 20 inches is no small amount -- it could have a big effect on coastal cities, especially during storms.

[Billyman]

Don't start giving me that Global Warming crap.

[Barbie]

:p I'm not.

[ms. bing]

i love the commercials. tonight i was feeling a bit braindead and it caught me by surprise when the announcer said: "coming to theaters may 28th, the day after tomorrow."
i said to myself: the day after tomorrow? what the hell is the date today? the 26th already? oh, wait.....

[Cruise Director]

I'm there. Opening day if possible. All over this!

[Uberwonder]

yep, it's on my list too.

[mute]

YA KNOW I'M ALL OVER IT. MOVIES ARE THE ONLY REASON I LIKE LIFE, BOOKS TOO. LOVE.... NOPE.

[Barbie]

FUCKING EH!

[Escape Artist]

Saw it...pretty good flick, the effects were amazing. :)

[MAC]

"The world now has more freedom than in the past but at what price? The trouble is that increased political and social freedom has had a degenerative effect on the moral fiber of humanity" - art bell

(this movie is based on one of art bell's books)

[mute]

MAC, you have to be fucking kidding me?

Cool flick, total bullshit, but atleast they admit it in the movie. I just didn't like the 'running away from deep freeze' scene. Cheesy but cool, hey, it's from the guy who did Independance Day.

[Barbie]

Human impact delaying ice age, study finds (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040610/CLIMATES/TPScience/)

Earth's current climate may last for at least another 15,000 years, barring any effects from human intervention, according to a new study of Antarctic ice published in the latest issue of the journal Nature.

The British Antarctic Survey said scientists and engineers from 10 European countries collected cylinders of ice about 10 centimetres wide and three metres long from Dome C, a location on East Antarctica about 1,000 kilometres from the nearest research station, over the past eight years.

Analysis of the chemical composition and physical properties of the samples show the buildup of methane and carbon dioxide and how the Earth's atmosphere has changed over time, according to the report. Snowflakes collect atmospheric particles and trap pockets of air between crystals as ice forms.

Preliminary analysis of the ice samples show that the current concentration of carbon dioxide is the highest in the past 440,000 years, according to the study. That shows how humans have changed the composition of the air, said geologist Jerry McManus, an associate scientist with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in Massachusetts, who wrote an accompanying article.

"This study is not a global-warming study, but the context of understanding the linkage between greenhouse gases and climate is really strengthened by this ice core, and gives us once again pause to consider the implications of such dramatic changes as we've wrought," Dr. McManus said in an interview.

The planet's climate during the past 500,000 years has been characterized by cold periods, called glacials, lasting about 100,000 years, followed by warmer stretches, called interglacials, lasting about 10,000 years, according to the study.

Previous studies of Antarctic ice samples have found about four separate climate cycles in the past 430,000 years, the study says. The current interglacial cycle has lasted about 12,000 years.

About 430,000 years ago, the glacial periods began to lengthen and interglacials began to shorten, according to the study. The longest interglacial period in history, which began about that time, lasted about 28,000 years and strongly resembles the current stage, leading scientists to believe that another glacial period will begin in about 15,000 years.

"Eventually there will be an ice age coming and if we were still pumping [carbon dioxide] into the atmosphere then we could think about preventing that ice age," said Eric Wolff of the British Antarctic Survey in a telephone interview.

"But we're predicting that an ice age won't come for another 15,000 years, and by then all the fossil fuels will be gone, so we won't still be pumping [carbon dioxide] into the atmosphere."

The study may give more ammunition to those who say global warming is on the rise, Dr. McManus said, although it doesn't show what the future holds.

The study should give pause to critics of global-warming theories, Mr. Wolff said.

"If you're a greenhouse skeptic . . . then what you're looking for in the past is a time when carbon dioxide changed and temperature didn't change," he said. "The bad news is, we can't find any of them. So our expectation is that if you go into the future and keep pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, the climate will warm. It's already 30 per cent higher than at any time in the last half-billion years."


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phew... and i thought the movie 'day after..' was based on a true story

[Smug Git]

I saw the film (wrote about it in SO at asylum). What nonsense it is (although the stuff about oceanic conveyors is known to be happening, the speed of it all is silly). Still, it wasn't as bad as Independence Day.

Global warming is happening; the question is 'why', in particular 'how much influence, if any, do humans have upon it'. Another question is 'how will it affect us'.

It is a complicated issue, but some people don't even know the basics. A fair number of people seem to think that plants, especially trees, scrub CO2 from the atmosphere through their lives (wheras, in fact, the net carbon removed from atmosphere by plants is bound up in their body and is re-released when they die and rot, apart from that that ends up deposited as coal and (via other organisms), as oil, etc, which is a 'slow' process).

[Koliedrus]

I can't give a qualified response until I've seen the movie but I have seen reactions based on the supposition that humanity is significantly affecting global climate.

Regardless of its accuracy, it's cranked up the level of attention. For that, it wins my respect for being "not another disaster movie from the bowels of Hollywood" before I've even seen it.

(See Git's post above for proof of the positive mental aspects)

And this: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=3&u=/nm/20040609/sc_nm/environment_climate_dc

[Barbie]

Kol: your posted repeated mine from above. :(

[Smug Git]

He's got you on ignore, Barbie. That bastard.

[mute]

So I guess I missed the conversation thread (http://thehypertribe.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9762).

Atleast the creators of this movie had the notion of pointing something out to people. A good way to do it is a movie. I give it 'props' for its efforts.

Evolution sucks :)

[Barbie]

Evolution is a myth

[MAC]

what kidding?
it's based on an art bell book

and evolution is not a myth
it is, like so much else, "incompletely accurate"