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Barbie
12-17-2003, 07:32 PM
Chirac calls for ban on headscarves (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/12/17/france_scarves031217)



Last Updated Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:20:42
PARIS - French President Jacques Chirac wants to shore up the country's secular tradition by banning religious symbols from public schools, a move that some believe will stigmatize Muslims by forcing girls to take off their headscarves.


(Chirac asked the French parliament to introduce a law, following the recommendations issued by a presidential panel last week.

The 20-person panel, struck to look into the issue of secularism, said all ostentatious displays of religion or political affiliation should be banned from public buildings.


Warning that "fanaticism is gaining ground" in the country, Chirac said he also wanted to clear the way for businesses to impose similar bans.

"Secularism is one of the great successes of the Republic," Chirac said in an address to the nation. "It is a crucial element of social peace and national cohesion. We cannot let it weaken."

France has the largest Muslim population in Europe – five million people.

Many in France see the headscarf as a symbol of Muslim militancy.

Many Muslims see the headscarf as a mark of modesty and a symbol of their Islamic identity. They oppose a ban, calling it a discriminatory violation of their rights.

The ban, which Chirac wants in place for the start of the next school year in the fall of 2004, would also ban Jewish yarmulkes and large crucifixes.

The law is expected to have enough support from both sides of the political spectrum to pass the French parliament.

Chirac also asked for a law that would prevent patients in public hospitals from refusing treatment because of the gender of the treating physician or medical personnel. The panel's report included accounts of Muslim men refusing to let male doctors treat their wives.

The commission recommended that the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur and the Muslim Eid el-Kabir feast be made school holidays. Chirac rejected that.

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BULLSHIT!

Barbie
12-17-2003, 07:34 PM
Muffy said it best in the Gandolf thread

..."Those Jesus freaks have done more for the spread of evil than satan ever could."

No yom kipper, no Eid el-Kabir but we can have Christmas....

bullshit

Billyman
12-18-2003, 12:53 AM
Yuppers, it's stupid and bullshit.

But it is the French.

Barbie
12-22-2003, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Billyman
Yuppers, it's stupid and bullshit.

But it is the French.

'My veil, my choice,' say Paris protesters (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/12/21/france_march031221)

Last Updated Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:28:21
PARIS - Hundreds of Muslim women took to the streets of Paris Sunday to protest against a proposed ban on head scarves in public schools.

An estimated 3,000 demonstrators marched in the rain, shouted slogans and carried banners demanding liberty and equality.




More than half of the protesters were women and girls wearing head scarves. Many waved French flags and sang the national anthem; some chanted "my veil, my choice."

French President Jacques Chirac announced on Dec. 17 that all conspicuous religious symbols, including Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses, should be banned from state-funded shools.

He has asked parliament to pass the law in a potentially explosive move aimed at shoring up the nation's secular tradition.

The head scarf, or hajib is worn by some Muslim women as a sign of modesty and a show of their Islamic faith.

Chirac says the law is needed to protect the separation of church and state.

Pianomahnn
12-22-2003, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Barbie
Chirac says the law is needed to protect the separation of church and state.[/color]

That seems idiotic.

Their involvement with these religious symbols shows no actual separation.

Bah f'n humbug on stupidity.

Billyman
12-23-2003, 12:46 AM
He's French.

Pianomahnn
12-23-2003, 06:36 AM
Oh yea. My bad.

Koliedrus
12-23-2003, 06:22 PM
So wearing white sheets is good or not?

I don't know who to hate anymore!!

I'm so confused...

Smug Git
12-23-2003, 07:40 PM
France has always been big on state/church separation. A couple of years ago, their courts upheld a ban on a moslem girl attending a state school with her veil on. So it isn't a great surprise, particularly.

Although the French are pretty egalitarian as a whole, if there is one group who get more flak than any other, it is the moslems (not the Jews, as Sharon would have you believe), who make up the majority of immigrants to france (primarily from North Africa).

Billyman
12-23-2003, 11:49 PM
And the French stink too.

Koliedrus
12-24-2003, 03:32 PM
By Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association

Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall, during our spring recognition event.

We received the following reply from the local TARGET management:

Veterans do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education."


So I'm thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and veterans in general do not meet their donation criteria, then something is really wrong at this TARGET store. We were not asking for thousands of dollars, not even hundreds, just a small sponsorship for a memorial remembrance. As a follow-up, I E-mailed the TARGET U.S. corporate headquarters and their response was the same. That's their national policy. Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow the Marines to collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their stores. During the recent Iraq deployment, they would not allow families of employees who were called up for active duty to continue their insurance coverage while they were on military service. Then as I dig further, TARGET is a French-owned corporation. Now, I'm thinking. "If TARGET can not support American Veterans", then why should my family and I support their stores, by spending our hard earned American dollars, just t o have their profits sent to France.

Without the American Vets, where would France be today?

Feel free to pass this along to whomever you want.

Sincerely, Dick Forrey , Veterans helping Veterans

ms. bing
12-26-2003, 08:56 PM
Target doesn't have any good shit anyway. Nothing that couldn't be found at Walmart for half the price. Hell, i can't even find the diapers in my local target store.
far be it from me to participate in any french bashing. all i can say is that these fuckers obviously never read Henry V.
Dauphant!

Mudflap
12-26-2003, 10:03 PM
I just informed PB that we won't be shopping at Target anymore. That SHOULD be enough for her but she said something to the affect of liking Target. I guess I have to kill her.

ACE
12-27-2003, 12:09 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp

Billyman
12-27-2003, 12:57 AM
Looks like Mud doesn't have to kill his wife after all.

Smug Git
01-02-2004, 09:15 PM
Was that TARGET statement not obviously misleading? Oh Gore, what have you let your brainchild become?

Mudflap
01-03-2004, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by Billyman
Looks like Mud doesn't have to kill his wife after all.

Not for this particular reason, anyway.

I kick myself for not doing a search on snopes before I bought into the whole dealy, but after walking thru our local Target store a few times, it was easy for me to believe they were owned by the French.

Pianomahnn
01-03-2004, 05:17 AM
Your anti-mac agenda offends me.

I shall sue for emotional loss.

Mudflap
01-03-2004, 06:08 AM
You are with the righteous or you are with MAC.

Smug Git
01-03-2004, 06:14 PM
If Target was owned by the French it would have rather more elegance about it. And be shut because of union action a lot of the time.