arrghhh...where's the java?!

[Lady Sianna]

mornin' THT...i'd say 'good', but i'm really not a big fan of the wee hours.

this may have been discussed before i came aboard, but i'm curious what everyone's thoughts, ideas, opinions & beliefs are on the issue of legalizing drugs...

again i say, where's the java?! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

hi ho, hi ho, its off to whore myself to the state i go...

have a b-yoo-ti-full day! (or at least humour me & attempt to...)

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[Koliedrus]

You've just scrambled my thoughts by asking more than one question as a thread starter. Stick to your own topic and begin a new one concerning other thoughts you have.

This thread concerns java. Interpretation will follow as others respond.

That's my polite way of saying, "what the fuck are you babbling about? Start a new thread for a new thought!"

As for having a good day, right back atcha http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif



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[Pianomahnn]

Yo tengo java en mi panetlones. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Dog Breath]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Pianomahnn:
Yo tengo java en mi panetlones. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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That's just to fool the drug sniffing dogs I bet.

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If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[Dog Breath]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Lady Sianna:
this may have been discussed before i came aboard, but i'm curious what everyone's thoughts, ideas, opinions & beliefs are on the issue of legalizing drugs...
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I am an advocate for legalizing all drugs. If you want to get plastered my guess is you will find a way. We spend so much effort and lives fighting drugs and for what? So that someone won't get high? Yes people hurt others and themselves while on drugs. No more than someone on a dirt bike or a jet ski. I will not add cars because the toys I mentioned are recreational as are drugs.
Why can't we have the opportunity to buy a bottle of antibiotics to cure an infection for $20 rather than buying prescription ones from the doctor for $80 plus a $70 visit? That isn't inflated, I can drive to Mexico and buy high grade medicine for a fraction of what it costs at a pharmacy without a doctor's visit.
To be honest I have an ulterior motive. If drugs were legal I would take up responsible marijuana smoking again. I really enjoy it but we get drug screened at work and I don't want to risk losing my job or being booked for buying it from some loser. Marijuana is in my opinion much safer than alcohol or cigarettes and on a Friday night I would like to be able to spark a doob after the kids go to bed and buzz quietly. I haven't been able to do that for about fifteen years.

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Woof.
If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

I dont think drugs should be legalised. If they are legalised, you can bet the govt will tax them. If it is decriminalised however, we can still nail assholes that deal to kids, and in the case of pot, grow enough for personal supply. You should be able put in to your own body whatever the fuck you want to, provided you are of the age where you can make an informed decision about the pros/cons.

[River Rat]

Holy jumpin up and down jebus!!!!!!!

Now you've done it! You made me get out the ole soap box and as you know I just hate to get on that fucker http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


Hmmm......Lets see what were we talking about?? Oh yeah legalizing drugs yeah that's it!!!
Before I even get started I shall here and now proclaim myself a hypocrite in order to save you all the trouble of doing so later.

Legalize cannabis YES!!! DO IT NOW....... I SAID NOW DAMMIT!!!

Hemp is a cash crop. With out even considering its psycadellic properties it can be used for clothing, textiles, fuel oil and I am sure about a dozen other things I don't even know about. For that alone it should be legalized.

As far as a recreational drug I think it is less dangerous than a perfectly legal drug we all know and love so well called alcohol.

Why is it we took only a decade to realize that prohibition of that particular substance simply will not work and yet continue in vain to attempt to enforce similar laws for 40 years??

Did you know that the original reason for criminalizing marijuana were not because of the negative effects of the drug itself but for immigration control.

In the state of Texas during the depression white Americans were willing to accept any kind of work they could get...including agricultural labor, a job usually filled by migrant workers mostly Mexican. At the time there were no immigration laws so they could not just ship them back over the border as we do today. In order to replace migrant Mexican workers with good upstanding white people down on their luck they needed a reason. The reason they found was a common thread among most migrant workers....they smoked pot. (By the way this was socially acceptable in any New York nightclub...just ask the cigarette girl for a joint and she would happily sell you a pack. Alcohol was illegal you know)

Anyway, the powers that be in Texas needed to get rid of the Mexicans so they tried push laws through congress making pot illegal thus giving them grounds to deport their current workforce for committing felonies and replace them with "more deserving Americans"

After much propaganda demonizing the drug and associating it with the aforementioned Mexican workers they failed in criminalizing the substance itself but making pot impossible to possess or transport across state lines without a taxed federal stamp. In order to obtain this stamp you had to first show proof that you actually posses this pot thus admitting to the crime of possession without federal marijuana stamp... I shit you not it happened.

I know first hand the detrimental side of weed and I would not encourage anyone to smoke it. But dammit it should be my fucking decision to do so if I choose.... not some fucking beurocrat who doesn't have even a slight clue about my life or my values.

I say legalize it, package it, and tax the shit out of it, let the potheads pay for my kids education because I damn sure can't!!!!!!!

Here is my hypocrisy......

I think the war on drugs is a complete fucking joke. How the fuck can we call it a war if we are not fighting up to our true potential.

You want to stop the production of cocaine....well it aint fucking rocket science we know where the shit comes from, carpet bomb the fucking coca feilds into non-existence. Make possession of cocaine or its derivatives a capitol offense. You are caught with the shit you fucking die, no appeal no 15 years on death row... fucking now......ok you get 30 minutes after your conviction to say your goodbyes I'm not a complete bastard http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

I am not saying tis is the right thing to do but dammit you don't drive a nail by pushing on it with you little finger you use a fucking hammer.......................


Ok... I shall now destroy my soap box as I am entirely too lazy to climb upon it any longer http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


That Is All...............................


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[Dog Breath]

Yikes!
At least you admitted to the hypocrisy. Saying one type of drug is OK and another is not certainly fits into that category.
Where we differ here is in the philosophy behind why to legalize drugs. I agree that cocaine is dangerous and many other drugs. I don't think it is any of my business or the governments business to make personal decisions for people. Being stupid and endangering your health is a God given right. Bungie jumping is legal so is alcohol, both of them fit into that category.
We have been told the evils of drugs all of our lives. If someone tells you speed kills he is a hero. If that same person tells you alcohol kills he is a bible thumping prude. If he tells you automobiles kill you say "So what"? I say, "Drugs kill...so what". You know you might die when you get in your car but you choose to do it anyway.
Let me live my life and make my own mistakes instead of letting the government make my mistakes for me and turning me into a slave at the same time.

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If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[Lady Sianna]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>originally posted by dogbreath:

Let me live my life and make my own mistakes instead of letting the government make my mistakes for me and turning me into a slave at the same time.[/quote]

<FONT COLOR="Purple">hallelujah, db!

i wholeheartedly agree with legalizing all drugs. they could be taxed & regulated...
the money could be used for educational programs - so that we can be smart about our recreational drug use! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif, and so there isn't so much ignorance about the effects of drugs on the mind & body, their addictive properties, etc...

people have used drugs since the beginning of time & will continue to do so until we are no more (some more glorified uses than others!). legalizing them would lessen the black market value & decrease the violence surrounding the whole trafficking, dealing,
buying thing. it just makes sense. i doubt that it will ever come to pass in my lifetime (this time around http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif ), but one can always hope that we'll evolve as a society...

melikes the divine herb as well as occasional hallucinogenic delights! there is much to learn & explore in the mind and certain hallucinogenic substances can open doorways to undiscovered realms...


*apologies, kol, for the incoherent morning babble! i think there was an attempt to equate caffeine - a perfectly acceptable & highly addictive narcotic - to the topic at hand.</FONT c>

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[Rabble Rouser]

I don't do drugs, but I'm all for legalizing everything. This country spends billions of dollars a year fighting a losing war on drugs. Smugglers still get it in, people still do it. With all the money we're spending to fight drugs, we could be putting it towards something this country is in dire need of, like education.

Nothing makes me angrier than watching the news and hearing that a drug dealer got 10 years in prison, while a rapist gets four years with possibility of parole after two. Anyone else see something dreadfully wrong with that? How much of our prison space is being used for drug criminals that could be used for the real dangers in society (sex offenders, murderers)?

Lastly, drug users are only harming themselves. If they want to do speed three times a day and waste away and live on the streets with sewage and roaches, let them...it's their choice. I think drugs are a great tool for chlorinating the gene pool. Let the stupid people take them. Let them die in a gutter...more oxygen for the rest of us.

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"We must put an end to this. We've seen enough body bags and ballsacks." - Henry Kissinger

[Lady Sianna]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>originally posted by rabble rouser:

Nothing makes me angrier than watching the news and hearing that a drug dealer got 10 years in prison, while a rapist gets four years with possibility of parole after two. Anyone else see something dreadfully wrong with that? How much of our prison space is being used for drug criminals that could be used for the real dangers in society (sex offenders, murderers)?[/quote]

<FONT COLOR="purple">okay, here goes...
you have no idea how right you are & how completely frustrating it is! i work for the dept of criminal justice - its been very educational learning how things work from the inside. its a fuckin' mess! texas has one of the largest prison systems in the country - which i find nothing to be proud of. its so large, in fact, that the agency responsible for overseeing it can't keep up.

and yes...there are more drug & non-violent offenders receiving higher sentences than rapists, child molesters/abusers, sometimes even murderers, its absolutely insane! one of the main reasons is because texas has no public defender system - insurance, divorce & other non-criminal types of lawyers are expected to defend these people pro bono & give a shit about the outcome for their client. it makes me sick...

i could obviously go on & on, but i'll save it for when i have more time.

consider me your inside source at the dept.
once i've gathered enough info & leave the agency, letters will be written & hell will be raised! there is some serious need for reform in our prison system.</FONT c>



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[Mattdecay]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Rabble Rouser:


Lastly, drug users are only harming themselves. If they want to do speed three times a day and waste away and live on the streets with sewage and roaches, let them...it's their choice. I think drugs are a great tool for chlorinating the gene pool. Let the stupid people take them. Let them die in a gutter...more oxygen for the rest of us.

[/quote]

Sorry to change the topic a bit, but I had an interesting conversation with some friends earlier about this.

Would you really want to live in a world filled with unresponsible drug users? I think it would be a frightening place. Even if they were regulated it wouldn't stop a few guys from mugging me in the street for money because they need a fix. Taxing them wouldn't make them any less unattainable, the people hooked would only become more desperate for more money.

If drugs were legalized/decriminalized, the only logical thing I can think of to do would be to couple it with education at a young age. And no, I'm not talking about the watered-down program filled with half-truths called d.a.r.e. I'm talking about a real, integrated program that teaches kids to understand their limits, experimentation, and responsibilty.

But then again, whaddoIknow? I'm just another dumbass pothead right? http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif

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"Doing crack cocaine doesn't mean snorting cocaine out of someone elses buttcrack. I wish someone would've told me that"-Conan O'Brian

[Lady Sianna]

<FONT COLOR="purple"> <BLOCKQUOTE><HR>If drugs were legalized/decriminalized, the only logical thing I can think of to do would be to couple it with education at a young age. And no, I'm not talking about the watered-down program filled with half-truths called d.a.r.e. I'm talking about a real, integrated program that teaches kids to understand their limits, experimentation, and responsibilty.[/quote]

that's <u>exactly</u> what would need to - and in my opinion should - happen. there is a great book that i nominate for desiganted text of these educational programs:
<u>from chocolate to morphine</u> by dr. andrew weil

it is a brilliantly researched & extremely well documented work on the effects, precautions & alternatives to legal & illegal drugs...and its totally unbiased, simply presenting the information for us readers to do with what we will.

some of my favourite people in the world are potheads, mattdecay, so i definitely wouldn't dismiss your thoughts... http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

besides, it is the opinion of this wind goddess that there is absolutely nothing harmful or detrimental about marijuana.

disagreements?</FONT c>

*i obviously haven't had my java yet...had to edit this twice already!
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[This message has been edited by Lady Sianna (edited 05-07-2001).]

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[disturbed]

the only problem i have with drugs, is when it starts to interfear and take control of the important things in life, like friends, family, school, work....etc. comming from a person who has seen his own mother beaten by a druggie and gotten her hooked on drugs as well, i dont want anyone to end up like that. most people dont have the mental capacity to use drugs sensably. hell people cant even use FOOD sensably, look at all of the overweight people. there is no excuse.

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[Lady Sianna]

<FONT COLOR="purple">agreed...most people don't use drugs sensibly. i, too, have seen the ravages of drug addiction (past lover) and felt the immense emotional & mind-ful weight of its presence.

the key is responsibilty...for yourself & for your actions while under outside influence...and a whole lot of people don't do that.

there are so many reasons that people use drugs - escape, aggrandize self, numb pain, kicks & grins, spiritual awakening, mind exploration (the latter two appeal to me)...i think that it takes a healthy, balanced, emotionally/mentally stable, responsible being to use drugs safely & wisely. unfortunately, that's not happening so much...</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="red">the fervor of the banshee dwells in sacred realm...somewhere deep in the forest plays the song of my reckoning.</FONT c>