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Billyman
08-05-2003, 01:15 AM
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/216/metro/School_chief_failed_literacy_test+.shtml

LAWRENCE - Superintendent of Schools Wilfredo T. Laboy, who recently put two dozen teachers on unpaid leave for failing a basic English proficiency test, has flunked a required literacy test three times, The Eagle-Tribune reported yesterday.

Laboy, who called his failing scores ''frustrating'' and ''emotional,'' blamed a lack of preparation and concentration, and his lack of English skills. Spanish is his first language.

''It bothers me because I'm trying to understand the congruence of what I do here every day and this stupid test,'' Laboy said. ''That's what, emotionally, I'm so upset about.''

State Education Commissioner David P. Driscoll said he is aware of Laboy's troubles with the test, but would not say how many chances Laboy would be given to pass or what the consequences of another failure could be.

He commended Laboy on an ''excellent job'' leading the district, but said ''he's going to have to pass.''

''He told me he needs more time to prepare for the test. I told him, `Fine.' ... The situation will only get serious if he goes much longer without passing,'' Driscoll said.

Since 1998, all educators - from teachers to superintendents - have had to pass the Communications and Literacy Skills Test, which measures basic reading and writing skills, including vocabulary, punctuation, grammar, spelling, and capitalization.

Laboy barely passed the reading section on his second attempt, scoring the minimum required grade, he said last week.

He also failed the writing portion three times, and a section requiring test-takers to transcribe a passage read over an audiotape, using proper punctuation and spelling.

Candidates must pass all sections of the test in a single sitting, and cannot appeal their scores, according to the state education department website.

''What brought me down was the rules of grammar and punctuation,'' Laboy said. ''English being a second language for me, I didn't do well in writing. If you're not an English teacher, you don't look at the rules on a regular basis.''

Laboy, who receives a 3 percent pay hike this month that will raise his salary to $156,560, recently put 24 teachers on unpaid administrative leave because they failed a basic English test, which has been required since voters passed a law last fall requiring English-only classrooms.

Driscoll said he is willing to give Laboy more time to prepare.

Pianomahnn
08-05-2003, 04:24 AM
I have mixed feelings about this one.

On one hand, we have here a good school official, who has done an "excellent job" leading the district.

On the other hand, we have someone who can't pass a literacy test leading the district.

I'm not sure what I'd rather have; an asshole with little drive to improve the district, but with flawless speech, or an immigrant (I'm assuming. . .??) with flawed speech doing an excellent job.

Such is life, I suppose.

SimpleSimon
08-05-2003, 04:25 AM
"Those who cannot do, teach."

Cruise Director
08-05-2003, 05:32 AM
Two schools of thought here for me:

1.) Teachers should know the material they are teaching. They should be tested on the material on a regular basis and be paid accordingly. ( Part 1A would be that we pay teachers what they are worth instead of at or below the poverty level.)

2.) We should be more concerned that teachers know how to teach. You can get a person with the most knowledge possible in math that cannot relate it to his or her students and the knowledge becomes useless.

Pianomahnn
08-05-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Cruise Director
[color=cruisedirector]( Part 1A would be that we pay teachers what they are worth instead of at or below the poverty level.)


What states/districts pay their teachers at or below poverty level? The Chicago Public school district pays their teachers at least 50K per year. Out in the suburbs, they're starting in mid-30s.

Well, I hear California pays horseshit salaries, but that is probably because the state is just stupid. What others are pathetic like that?

MrsKol
08-05-2003, 05:05 PM
One of my questions is. how much teaching does this guy do? It sounds like he is a superintendent of a school district. Yes, I do think it is important that he passes the English test, especially since he put 24 teachers on unpaid leave for failing the English basics test. On the other hand, how much does he actually teach, how much time does he spend in the classroom and what is his penalty if he doesn't pass the test?

Pianomahnn
08-05-2003, 06:07 PM
[MrsKol]
>how much does he actually teach

Most likely none. But at one point, I'm sure he did.

>how much time does he spend in the classroom

Perhaps a slight bit more than the amount he teaches, but that's for observational purposes only.

Administrators, unfortunately, tend to be way out of touch with what actually goes on inside the classroom.

SimpleSimon
08-05-2003, 07:16 PM
Teachers, and teacher associations, love to bitch about their "low income", but the facts dont reflect that.

Look here: http://www.aft.org/research/survey99/tables/tableI-5.html


Look around the site linked. Teachers are typically above the national average in income, and in fact if you look at a comparison of teachers to other governmental employees, they are better paid.

Go to the List of Tables. Teacher incomes are examined and contrasted to other professions in numerous ways. On average, it appears the teachers pay, benefits, and history of raises are roughly comparable to other professions.

skalie
08-05-2003, 07:32 PM
...........and loads of holidays.

Cruise Director
08-06-2003, 12:48 AM
Interesting table, Simon. As far as an average teachers seem to be getting compensated well. Especially for getting 2 1/2-3 months off per year.

Utah teachers start around 20,000 per year. Classroom sizes are among the highest and Utah spends less money per child than most other States for education. Maybe it's because we procreate like rabbits here.

Pianomahnn
08-06-2003, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by SimpleSimon
Teachers, and teacher associations, love to bitch about their "low income", but the facts dont reflect that.


Well, lets do the math on this one shall we.

Anyone who knows a teacher is aware that the work necessary for effectively teaching students does not end at 3:00pm every day. Grading, planning, and conversations with bitch parents consume much of the afternoon and into the evening.

Technically, the teachers are only paid to work 7am-3pm. 8 hours per day, 5 days per week. Well, if that were the case, students would never have any homework, because the teachers could never grade it. Lets make the number of hours worked 60 per week, which more accurately reflects the normal work load.

We take the national average of $40,000, divide that by 36 weeks (which is a VERY conservative number), and that comes out to $1111 per week. Divide that by 60 hours, and the teacher is making about $19 per hour. Not all that much.

Now, take into consideration the importance our society places on education. Consider all the jibber jabber about teachers needing degrees, and be very well educated, and blah blah blah. $19 isn't shit when it comes down to it. The government employee giving people a written driver's test should never make as much as a teacher. Ever.

Would a well educated doctor work for $19 per hour? They have important job, don't they? People rely on them. People rely on teachers as well.

Put it all into perspective and think about it for a while. Teachers really don't get paid much. Why is there a problem with finding well educated teachers these days? Well, golly gee. Why would someone want to deal with 180 smart ass kids all day for $40k per year when they could get a job making $60k per year with out all the noise?

Doo bee doo bee do.

SimpleSimon
08-06-2003, 05:02 AM
First of all, P-mahnn, you make an awfully big assumption. That being, that with an education degree (a sorry joke by most academic standards) they could get that $60K/yr job.

Secondly, you appear to be of the opinion that the average $60K/yr salaried employee works 40 hrs/wk for 50 wks/yr (2000 worked hours/yr). Most people at that level of income work that 60 hr plus week you were talking about, being in lower to middle management (or 3000 worked hrs/yr)

So, at $60K/yr / 3000 worked hrs/yr = $20/hr. And too hear them tell it, most teachers don't teach cause of the money, they just love the satisfaction of teaching.

Poor suffering teachers. My heart bleeds for em.

Pianomahnn
08-06-2003, 05:30 AM
I bet those people complain about money also, though.

No one gets paid enough. I think that's the real problem.