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Koliedrus
08-01-2003, 01:06 PM
Sometimes, I'm just an evil bastard. I appologize for that. Still, knowing one's flaws doesn't mean that they'll go away simply because they're easily recognized. Fortunately, I'm in good company. Makes it easier to deal with.

Take, for example, the gloom and doom we all post. Different scenarios for the end of the world, the decline of personal freedoms, shitty days at work... It's not that we want others to feel our miseries so much as we want to spread an opaque glob into a transparent film. It truly helps when someone on the planet has experienced the same thing as you but when they bring up something you haven't considerred...

This is where I hear that little voice telling me to add an introduction instead of cutting straight to a news story.

There are many couples in here. It's not my intention to drive a wedge into any relationships or instill distrust.

There. I've killed that demon.

Now, here's your dose. Hold your nose.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/national/article/0,1406,KNS_350_2147873,00.html

Internet infidelity
Are cyberaffairs, online surveillance hurting marriages?

By DAVID CRARY, Associated Press
July 31, 2003

NEW YORK - Suspicious husbands and wives who once might have hired a private eye to find out if their spouses were cheating are now using do-it-yourself technology to check on an increasingly popular hideaway for trysts - the Internet.

Divorce lawyers and marriage counselors say Internet-abetted infidelity - romance originating in chat rooms and fueled by e-mails - is now one of the leading factors in marital breakdowns.

With the surge in cyberaffairs, a new market for electronic spying has developed. Web sites such as www.Chatcheaters.com and www.InfidelityCheck.org describe an array of surveillance products capable of tracking a cheating spouse's e-mails and online chats, including some that can monitor each key stroke in real time.

"The traditional detective hired to chase information is being replaced by software that's not terribly expensive but can give you 100 times the information," said John Mayoue, a prominent divorce lawyer from Atlanta.

"It used to be that when you wanted to prove adultery, you would prove it circumstantially," he said. "In the computer era, I can have something that is so graphic, so clear, there's not a whole lot of room for argument."

John LaSage, a Southern Californian, established the Chatcheaters web site after his wife of 23 years left him and their two teenage daughters without forewarning in 1999 to join a New Zealand man she had met online.

Chatcheaters - which offers advice, surveillance equipment and first-person stories of betrayal - averages 400 visitors a day, mostly women, LaSage said. His wares include $450 vehicle trackers and $100 computer-spying programs.

LaSage said he was devastated to discover, after his wife had left, that she had engaged in erotic e-mail and chat-room correspondence with several men.

"I tell people to be careful - you have to be prepared for what you're going to see," he said.

Sandra Morris, a San Diego attorney who is president of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, said the spread of Internet infidelity has raised some complicated issues about computer privacy.

"A spouse may have a misplaced sense of entitlement to spy," she said. "There are prohibitions against electronic eavesdropping, though a lot of people feel that when someone's cheating, all bets are off."

Mayoue said federal statutes outlawing interception of electronic communications can apply within a marriage.

"A spouse does have a right to privacy even from his or her own spouse," he said. "I've been on both sides of this - it's the most compelling evidence you'll have in a divorce case, but also the most fraught with potential liability."

A suspicious husband or wife may have no legal grounds for breaking into codeword-protected areas of a spouse's personal computer but may be able to justify reading an e-mail that was easily retrieved on a shared family computer, Mayoue said.

David Greenfield, a West Hartford, Conn., psychologist and author of the book, "Virtual Addiction," said many spouses who engage in cyberaffairs consider their online romances to be harmless.

"But the spouses of those who are cheating don't see it that way," Greenfield said. "It's often done on the same computer they both use at home. It's like having someone else in your own bedroom."

He said the convenience and seeming anonymity of the Internet have attracted a new breed of adulterers, people who might have been too timid to make their first forays into infidelity face-to-face.

"Affairs have always existed," Greenfield said. "But the fact that you can connect with people all over the world with relative ease and no cost lowers that threshold."

A University of Florida researcher, Beatriz Mileham, studied Internet infidelity as part of her doctoral dissertation, interviewing 76 men and 10 women who used popular chat rooms called "Married and Flirting" and "Married But Flirting."

Most of the participants insisted they loved their spouses but sought a romantic encounter online because of boredom or their a partner's disinterest in sex, Mileham found. She said 24 of the participants ended up having a real-life affair with at least one of the people they met online.



Yours truly has seen it happen several times since '95. Yet another reason I no longer chat much. It's too painful to watch. Advice almost always goes unheard.

MAC
08-01-2003, 02:49 PM
Intent.

If you don't intend to do it, don't offer it.
If you want to play sex/love games on the internet admit up front that its crap.

I deeply regret that terrible things errupted because of how someone handled MULTIPLE situations like this. I spoke my peace to them personally and got back defensive crap. I spoke to the other side and said "take it for what it is" but they couldn't see it as anything other than what they wanted to believe. So be it.
It breaks up more than marriages you know.

ppl deserve to suffer for what they think love is

edit: the rest of the crap I typed was just crap

Mudflap
08-01-2003, 03:42 PM
Damn. When I stop and think of the hundreds of women that have left their husbands after meeting me online...

Koliedrus
08-01-2003, 03:52 PM
I was hired by a family member.
Suspisions were proven.
Divorce was the result.
There were no physical injuries.
Lives were changed.

Don't "Mind Fuck" yourself.

Uberwonder
08-01-2003, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Mudflap
Damn. When I stop and think of the hundreds of women that have left their husbands after meeting me online and realizing that if I am what men are all about then they would be better off becoming lesbians.

Sad but true.

Koliedrus
08-02-2003, 01:55 PM
Gadgets! (http://www.youarethespy.com/)

YAY!

Go Go Gadget Digital Recorder Smaller Than An Ink Pen!

Man would that be useful at work...

True story: Many years ago I bought some headset walkie-talkies from Radio Shack mainly because I thought they were cool. Cell phones were pricey and huge. These little jobbies worked great on road trips that involved more than one car. Five channels and five headsets made for some cool-ass hiking/camping trips.

Not long after Holly was born, I dusted a couple of them off and fed them new batteries. I soon found out that one of the channels was tuned to Holly's baby monitor and another to someone's cordless phone.

One night, while on vacation, I donned the headset and just started driving around. I wasn't all that surprised to hear babies crying and people yacking. Distance was a factor. Driving by those short-range transmitters was like scanning through radio stations. I never slowed down enough to actually eavesdrop. I was taking a census.

One house about a mile from our home (I didn't try to locate it; it was on my regular driving path) had a newborn. While wearing the headset on my way to work, I would hear the baby cry or the mother reading bedtime stories.

On one night, the baby was pitching a fit. I slowed down to a crawl, hit the transmit button and with my best demon-voice I said, "GET IN HERE NOW!"

Once I heard a man's voice say, "What the hell was that!", I smiled, drove on and retired the headsets.

Mudflap
08-02-2003, 03:29 PM
:rofl:


:asshole:

Billyman
08-02-2003, 03:48 PM
Aha! My first fit of laughter today!

Stevo
08-02-2003, 07:06 PM
want a real dose of the paranoid?


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/default.php

Koliedrus
08-02-2003, 08:02 PM
Not that kind, no. But hey! The thought is appreciated.

Koliedrus
08-21-2003, 03:45 PM
Ok, I was gonna save this for Mrs Kol but she's understandably busy.

I became friends with a guy who makes deliveries to my workplace just before my shift ends. I haven't seen him in a while because of a thirty minute change in our schedules.

Today, I had to work late, saw him, showed him the voice recorder and he whipped an identical one out of his pocket.

The conversation turned to price. I beat him by $65 (/me spikes the ball and does and end-zone dance... inside)

He later came to me with some questions. Turns out that not only did this thread relate to him, his situation was identical to one I had dealt with before; my brother's.

I offered up a detail at a time and everything matched. It sucks that the outcome of his situation seems to be taking the same path as my sib but I might be able to do things for him that I thought about only after it was too late for my bro.

This guy's 25-year marriage has been wrecked for 6 months. I hope I'm not too late.

Lady Sianna
08-21-2003, 07:43 PM
this is so depressing!

can't people who have been in a relationship for that long communicate about the problems they are having?! it begs the question of whether or not these people have ever truly known one another or if they have been a part of something so long simply because it's what was expected of them. (marriage, family, stable job...)

i really have no tolerence for infidelity. have the balls to end the relationship you are in before trapsing down another, less safe, familiar & comfortable path. if you really want to leave, do it on your own - not because you disgustingly snuck around until you found something "worth" leaving for. where are the communication and the honesty and the love and the respect within the hundreds of thousands of marriages that fail? how do those things not factor in to their decisions to betray and stray and abandon? it's repulsive behaviour.

if the majority of this is because of "their partner's disinterest in sex", then work to get him/her re-interested! libidos wane - with age, with stress, with depression, with lack of energy, etc. but there are many ways in which to rekindle passion. all of them take communication, honesty, love & respect.

marriage has become an institute of convenience & expectation.

real love is rare. cherish it.



p.s. i'm really not all that jaded, but this really got me riled up!

Koliedrus
08-23-2003, 06:22 PM
It seems to be complex enough for people to quit their jobs and study it as a profession, Sianna.

I was in my 20's when I created ThePit with an Amiga, a 2400 baud dialup modem and a wopping 1 meg of RAM.

Feelings have always overwhelmed technology over time in my experience. I was fortunate enough to be able to set up one of the fastest BBSs in the southeast.

One young man who tried to set himself on fire and his mother signing up to tell me how much she appreciated the time I gave to her son changed me.

He had to type slowly. He had no option. As I waited for the next keystroke, I knew what he was trying to say but I let him finish on his own.

It was too much for me. They were faceless and expected more than I was able to give. At the same time, I had good reason to move elsewhere. Once there, I set everything up as it was but the distance in time was more than my friend's patience could allow. I can only guess that he felt abandoned.

At the same time, enthusiasts were trying to connect daily.

They have different names now. They aren't the same souls. They're familiar and yet I don't know them.

I'll take it.

I see the good that can come from it and that makes it worth the effort. Even the slightest connection from one person's experience to another's is priceless if I can convey the connection to the person who needs it.

Everyone calls me "cryptic". I am. When I talk about things, I talk to a person. If you don't get it, you aren't supposed to.

If you can.... :)

Torque
08-24-2003, 08:44 PM
I think that you have to think of your nearest and dearest once you start interacting regularly with folks online. I make an effort to avoid conversations that I wouldn't have with my wife in the room. I'm good at having conversations that would make her think I'm an idiot, but have avoided having any that make her think I'm playing her for a fool.

I've been chatting, messaging and the like online for about 22 years, since the days of vic-20's. You have to know your audience, and be sure to remove ambiguity from anything that could affect your special people. I chat in #hypertribe most nights. If you catch me flirting, it's going to be pretty obvious that i likely dont want to date mudflap or billyman (despite their animal charms). If you see me feeding Kaye big macs, be assured that Mrs. Torque is cool with it as long as she's the one I wake up and make pancakes for.

People just need some damned sense, and a bit of respect for their sweeties. If you want to run off with an alaskan pipeline working woman who eats raw elk, you get on with it. But you'd probably be better off fixing whatever's going on at home instead. If there happen to be any alaskan pipeline working women with a lot of elk meat, please message me privately ;)

Also, I really don't enjoy TMI violations. I don't want to hear about what you and the missus did last night with a bucket of feathers and a Jesus candle. If you are both online telling us about it at the same time, it's just tacky then, but doesnt really violate the other's privacy, as both are telling the story. As things that are TMI but unrelated to this subject go, I don't want to know about anything you shave except your face, legs, armpits, or head. I can't help that, I'm English.

The dead milkmen said it best:
"I came here to dance, not to get laid"