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Road Apples
07-26-2003, 09:14 PM
AFP


July 24, 2003

Mass extinction feared from carbon stored under Earth´s crust

PARIS (AFP) Jul 23, 2003

A vast reservoir of carbon is stashed beneath the Earth´s crust and could be released by a major volcanic eruption, unleashing a mass extinction of a kind that last occurred 200 million years ago, German scientists say.
Researchers have known for years that carbon is stored in the Earth´s mantle, a layer of plasticky rock that lies beneath the planet´s fragile crust.

Exactly how much is down there is unknown. Most estimates, drawn from analyses of gases emerging from the mantle, say the store is many times more than all the carbon in the Earth´s atmosphere, soil and sea combined.

The worry is that if just a part of this gigantic reservoir is quickly released as carbon dioxide (CO2), that could create a runaway greenhouse effect. The CO2-soaked atmosphere would store up heat from the Sun, shrivelling plant life and destroying species along the food chain.

"The (mantle) reservoir is just gigantic compared with anything that we have on the Earth´s surface," says Hans Keppler, a professor at the Institute of Sciences at Germany´s University of Tuebingen.

Reporting in Thursday´s issue of Nature, Keppler and his colleagues conducted an ambitious experiment aimed at finding whether mantle rock is a stable storage for CO2.

Most of the rock in the Earth´s upper mantle is a crystalline silicate called olivine.

In a lab chamber, Keppler´s team replicated the fiery heat and intense pressures, of 1,200 C (2,200 F) and 3.5 gigapascals, which are likely to exist in the deeper parts of the upper mantle.

They used these conditions to create olivine crystals from raw ingredients of magnesium oxide and silicon dioxide and expose them to carbon and water.

The carbon turned out to be almost completely insoluble in olivine: just a tiny amount, between 0.1 and one parts per million by weight, was absorbed into the rock.

So if the carbon is not in the olivine, that leaves only one major source, Keppler says.

"If you cannot store the carbon in the olivine, then the only plausible place for storing it are carbonates," he told AFP.

Carbonate rocks have a much lower melting point than olivine, which is able to absorb the punishing furnace-like heat radiating from the Earth´s core and still not melt.

Heated to a molten state, carbonates are capable of squeezing through cracks in the olivine, rising up towards the surface and absorbing the free carbon as they go.

They can pick up so much that as much as 10 or 20 percent of their mass is carbon.

The risk, says Keppler, is that this carbonate reservoir could suddenly be breached in the event of a major volcanic eruption.

"Once the carbonate comes up to the surface, as soon as it is below [a pressure of] 20 or 30 kilobars, which corresponds to a depth of 40 or 60 kilometres (25 to 38 miles) in the mantle, as soon as it comes up beyond this depth, it will decompose and release carbon dioxide."

The nightmare is of a gigantic spewing out of CO2, imperilling life on the surface.

"There has been some evidence that something like this has happened in the past. There is a very good correlation with (CO2) flooding that coincides with several mass extinction events -- some massive, sudden change of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere," Keppler believes.

One of these events, he says, occurred around 245 million years ago, at the end of the Permian era, which was the largest extinction in the Earth´s history: fossil evidence shows as many as 96 percent of all marine species were lost and more than three quarters of vertebrate species on land.

The other -- possibly a cluster of smaller events -- was at the end of the Triassic period around 208 million years ago, when around half of the world´s species suddenly died out.

That event essentially handed rule of the planet to the dinosaurs. Their domination ended, some 65 million years ago, by a mass extinction apparently inflicted by an asteroid impact, kicking up dust that caused climate change.


Agence France-Presse.

Uberwonder
07-27-2003, 01:58 AM
I suppose they suggested that we just surrender.

Billyman
07-27-2003, 03:25 AM
*runs around screaming "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!"*

Ok, enough of that.

There, I got it out of my system.

:rolleyes:

Koliedrus
07-27-2003, 12:05 PM
Oh! That kind of doom. I thought you meant "Doom (http://doomworld.com/doom3/)".

Ok, then. Here -----

Lightbulb
07-27-2003, 02:03 PM
I hear the sun is going to explode at some point too.

sauron
07-27-2003, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Lightbulb
I hear the sun is going to explode at some point too.

Yeah, but we'll all be dead (by) then...

- d.

Koliedrus
07-27-2003, 02:15 PM
No no, ya big silly. It'll swell into a red giant before shrinking into a white dwarf.

Billyman
07-27-2003, 04:10 PM
Doom?

Well which is going to happen first?

A volcanic eruption expelling ungodly amounts of C02 into the atmosphere.

The sun will swell into a red giant before shrinking into a white dwarf.

An asteroid the size of a small moon smashes into the earth.

George W. Bush flabbergasts everyone by winning a second term.

zim
07-27-2003, 07:15 PM
i hear theres a lot of vaccuum out there beyond our atmosphere.

imagine what could happen if that got in here!

feh.

SimpleSimon
07-27-2003, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Billyman
Doom?

Well which is going to happen first?

A volcanic eruption expelling ungodly amounts of C02 into the atmosphere.

The sun will swell into a red giant before shrinking into a white dwarf.

An asteroid the size of a small moon smashes into the earth.

George W. Bush flabbergasts everyone by winning a second term.

Well, in decreasing order of probability within your lifetime, I'd bet:

1) Geo. w. gets a 2nd term;

2) Major asteroidal impact;

3) Volcanic eruption on the order of the one which produced the Deccan traps deposits and resulted in a CO2 increase in the atmosphere as much as 10X current values;

4) Sun swelling into a red giant, then shrinking into a white dwarf.


In more immediate terms yet, offshore drilling on the Pacific coast of Central America results in a well blowout that releases the pressure on the trapped methane in the clathrate beds there, possibly releasing enough methane to blanket the earth and smother us all; or

New Zealands stock animals doing the same; or

a worldwide pandemic with an 80%+ death rate results in the eradfication of technological civilization.

Take your pick, there are lots of scenarios.

Soopafeen
07-28-2003, 07:11 AM
Folly, Kractatoa, which has been the largest eruption since humans started recording history, has only been a footnote. Even though it had such effect in our history. Balderdash.

We tend to think inside the human lifespan, ozone layer, global warming. Yet, those usually signal a Ice Age. A cycle, for the billions of years the earth has been here, I doubt suddenly the volcanic activity would kill life as we know it. Volcanic activity has been around since our simple round planet was created, if carbon poisoning was an issue it would have happened in the 6 billion years we weren't around. HOLY SHIT! now it's a problem that scientists that study a couple decades deem it so? Greenhouse affect is a natural occuring event. I doubt our CBC use would even make a dent compaired to the flatulence of animals. We are simply too short lived to know how it works, this earth always rights itself. Human life span is simply too short to think of long term affects. Sure our excess may signal the downfall of humans but I have a good idea that life on earth will live on.
We are carbon based life forms, small wonder there is an abundance, wait, next they'll say we have opposable thumbs! and that we use tools! Egads! Don't forget the world is round.

Mudflap
07-28-2003, 09:15 AM
This thread is the perfect place to repost this link. (http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/exitmundi.htm)

Koliedrus
07-28-2003, 12:44 PM
... and this (http://www.thehypertribe.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=8535).