It never ends.

[Stevo]

First check THIS (http://www.click2houston.com/hou/news/stories/news-74298920010426-180430.html) out.

You know, it fucking kills me how schools and even people can have such a double standard about what is considered appropriate visually.

Take the administrator of this school for instance. I live just down the road from this highschool and i'll tell you this... kids are wearing things much more appalling than a fucking t-shirt with a flag on it. Kids with violent bloody images on shirts. girls who dress like complete skanks... It goes on and on.

And then this one kid. A neighbor of mine, wears a shirt to school symbolizing his heritage during a month when texas is SUPPOSED to recognize the history of the confederacy.

Now.. this is not to say that a school is not within it's reasonable limits to make a child choose to change or be suspended if the image has aroused any sort of disturbance. But the basic fact was that no student at the school nor any other administrator other than the head principal had found anything inappropriate about him.

I think it's fucking horrible that this country constantly has to hide away it's history. Especially something so important as the civil war. Yes the flag might hold some very negative undertones to some people. but to others i think it represents a great sense of state/country pride, and just a remembrance of how things were for their family back in the day.

After all.. isnt it better to remember something and be positive about it? "i just want to remember my heritage".

I would understand if he was saying that he hates blacks and he loves the klan but isnt this just a bit rediculous?


---Stevo.

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[Mordecai]

You have the freedom to express whatever you like, so long as it doesn't conflict with the party line, NOW GET BACK IN LINE AND NO MORE TALKING!

-m


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[Deadpool]

Freedom of speech is all but an illusion.
Take John Rocker for example. He was crucified and nearly chased out because he expressed an opinion.

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[FallenAngel]

<FONT COLOR="limegreen"> To be honest I can rather see both sides ofthe issue (why ppl feel so strongly about the confederate flag) I am not really prepared to express my views on the subject right now (horrible headache) but I will maybe later tonight. For now Stevo I want to ask you to keep me updated on this story as it unfolds. I am really impressed with this students convictions and courage to stand up for his views. so please keep us updated
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[Pianomahnn]

I hate to throw this card on the table, but it struck me...

19 and still in highschool? Or did I just read it wrong?

I do agree with what the kid is doing though. As much as I disagree about the Confederate flag being praised, he is within his rights, and I will always respect those rights.

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[Rabble Rouser]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Pianomahnn:

I do agree with what the kid is doing though. As much as I disagree about the Confederate flag being praised, he is within his rights, and I will always respect those rights.

[/quote]

I agree. Where I live, I see KKK rallies all the time, and while I may not agree with them, it's their right to say what they have to say. They're not inciting riots or starting fights or anything, so while I believe that their beliefs are wrong, they have every right to express it.

Same with the Confederacy. As long as they are not harming anyone, they have every right to their beliefs.


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[Stevo]

well the point i was asking for some input on was more about our standards for somethings and not others. Children can watch mind numbing television with scnes of gore and even partial nudity and coarse language without a single word, but one kid wears a flag that is very contraversial yet so harmless, and people speak out like it's a great injustice.

I'm more concerned about what really matters. I dont care whether or not the flag represents some sort of evil past, i'm worried that people are more worried over some stupid symbol than the bigger picture. the way we raise our kids.

kids listen to horrible music. kids see horrible things on the internet (please excuse me...) and kids have access to every illegal drugs. yet when a child draws pictures of mushrooms and pot leaves a teacher says.. oh.. isn't that cute.. he isnto mind altering substances and he's expressing it through art. but this bastard wears a confederate flag.. and he gets punished??

i thought self expression and original opinion was empahsized in schools?

maybe i've been away too long.

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[jesikah]

self expression is being taken away in every way possible these days! i go to a public school where they tell you what to wear and how to wear it you have no choices it is like going into prison everyday. i think that self expression is being taken away from kids and they are becoming robots that follow the every command of adults. we need more kids to stand up and fight for their choices in the world.

[Stevo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by jesikah:
self expression is being taken away in every way possible these days! i go to a public school where they tell you what to wear and how to wear it you have no choices it is like going into prison everyday. i think that self expression is being taken away from kids and they are becoming robots that follow the every command of adults. we need more kids to stand up and fight for their choices in the world. [/quote]


i wouldn't go that far..

I mean kids deserve to have rights but as far as letting them speak for their own rights.. i'm not too sure id be happy with schools with fully functional arcades and the ability for kids to abolish teachers (that was my dream in highschool) but this kid was puylled out of a sea of morons just because the administrator didnt agree with his view points..

suspension due to lack of understanding and difference of opinion...

sickening.



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[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by jesikah:
self expression is being taken away in every way possible these days! i go to a public school where they tell you what to wear and how to wear it you have no choices it is like going into prison everyday. i think that self expression is being taken away from kids and they are becoming robots that follow the every command of adults. we need more kids to stand up and fight for their choices in the world. [/quote]

Yup, unless you are wearing the latest shit or listening to the what is deemed, popular music, you are categorized as a freak. Its ignorance. Most people these days are just too lazy to sit down and think. Pretty easy these day to become a sycophant. All hail MTV and Hollywood.

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[Cruise Director]

I'm suprised no one has brought this up yet, so let me play the debil here:

School Uniforms.

Kids are in school to learn. Freedom of expression is o.k. outside of school. While in the confines of the education system, teachers and administrators should be tasked with TEACHING our kids and not having to police their choices of clothing.

Also, it makes sense from an economic point of view. It would be much more affordable for parents to purchase clothing from a small varitey of shirts and slacks / skirts than to outfit their kids in the gear they so dearly love. This would also strip down some of the barriers between classes at the school.

I know that some of you may say we are taking away their independance and individuality. Look around. The majority of us do it every fucking day. Not too many employers these days don't have some sort of a dress code.

I do applaud this kids enthusiasm. I just wish he was asking "Why can't I fucking read and write?" instead of "Why can't I wear this shirt?"


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[Stevo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Cruise Director:
I'm suprised no one has brought this up yet, so let me play the debil here:

School Uniforms.

Kids are in school to learn. Freedom of expression is o.k. outside of school. While in the confines of the education system, teachers and administrators should be tasked with TEACHING our kids and not having to police their choices of clothing.

Also, it makes sense from an economic point of view. It would be much more affordable for parents to purchase clothing from a small varitey of shirts and slacks / skirts than to outfit their kids in the gear they so dearly love. This would also strip down some of the barriers between classes at the school.

I know that some of you may say we are taking away their independance and individuality. Look around. The majority of us do it every fucking day. Not too many employers these days don't have some sort of a dress code.

I do applaud this kids enthusiasm. I just wish he was asking "Why can't I fucking read and write?" instead of "Why can't I wear this shirt?"

[/quote]


i know the kid and that;s a false assumtion.


but i totally agree. my point of view comes from my school years. We were encouraged to express ourselves.

byt the more and more i look back at my parents upbrining.. the more i realize they had it right. Education. Tha was all.


excuse all errors. i'v ebeen drinking.


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[Cruise Director]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Stevo:



i know the kid and that;s a false assumtion.

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http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif I'm with you. I didn't mean to imply that this kid couldn't read; merely that I wish he was more concerned with the quality of the education he was getting instead of the dress code issue.



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[Kayla]

well i can only tell you waht goes on in my school. We have a small group of kids (guys) that like wear trenchcoats, marilyn manson shirts, and have 500 piercings in their face. And that is ok with the administration (i personally dont care how they dress) But if someone tries to wear a sleeveless shirt, we have to go to the office and have our parents bring us something to cover ourselves up.
Ugh...i dont know where i was going with this..just needed to vent i suppose



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[Faceplant]

ove said it once, and im sure ill say it a million more times...its heritage, not hate...and from what this kid had to say it seems he feels the same way.

it pisses me of that these fucking kids can wear a shirt that says" kill your mom, rape your dog! moleste a little girl!" get away with it, no one cares, but as soon as someone mentions the confederacy or wears a shirt with that flag on it, they get fucked...fucking administration, so ignorant.

[jesikah]

i understand that school is a place to learn but at my school we have uniforms and you spend more time sitting in the office getting it approved then you do in class learning.. if kids are in school to learn then why is our every second of learning time taken up by the "uniform police" who make sure everything is perfect. i agree with the uniforms for many reasons but i don't agree with the idea of losing class time to see if what i'm wearing is ok or if they have to send me home! that is just my opinion on the issue though......

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Uniforms make sense economically. Most things that make sense economically lack individualism. I blame the industrial revolution and the rise of functionalism. I'm glad we had uniforms at the school I went to because my step mother had the most embarassing taste in clothing, and wouldn't let me buy my own... I mean polka dots!!! What the fuck are they all about??? Nope, give me my green tartan skirt and blazer over polka dot trousers and lime green silk bubble jacket any day.
I got suspended from school for dyeing my hair purple, and they tried to make me take out my nose ring, they were fucked though, as nowhere in the prosepectus did it say that you couldn't have a nose ring, it just said you were not allowed dangly earings.
As for the hair thing, it made the papers and I was given a written appology. Ha ha.
This kids school should only be concerned about his behaviour, and not what the hell he is wearing. Schools are not the appropriate bodies to be making decisions about what should or should not be censored, and unless there is some by-law enacted prohibiting the wearing of such things, personal views aside, he should be allowed to wear it.

[VenoM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Pianomahnn:
I hate to throw this card on the table, but it struck me...

19 and still in highschool? Or did I just read it wrong?

I do agree with what the kid is doing though. As much as I disagree about the Confederate flag being praised, he is within his rights, and I will always respect those rights.

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<FONT COLOR="Red">Hey, there's nothing wrong with being 19 and still in highschool. 6 yrs in hs for me has really helped my social skills http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif</FONT c>

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[MAC]

Um...
Okay check out this opinion.

When I wore a shirt with a bands name on it, I actually listened to the band.
When I wore a shirt with a comic book character on it, I actually read the comic book.

If i wear a shirt that says
<FONT size="30"><FONT COLOR="red">NIKE</FONT c></FONT s>
Its me saying "Hey i like Nike"

Its an endorsment.

You pay them to wear their name?

I never once (and RW can check me on this) wore a shirt that endorsed something i didn't like and participate in.

You wanna wear a shirt with the confederate flag? Why?

You wanna study history and see what happened to get you where you are today?
Go for it.

The only reason to wear the rebel flag is cause you want someone to take it in the worst possible way and start some shit with you.
This kid din't fight for states rights.
or to prolong slavery
or against the NORTH.
But he found an angle that's not acceptable to be associated with.
I saw a black preacher on the cover of the news paper the other day. He was holding up a pair of chains that had been used to bind slaves.
I didn't read the article.
I can think of a dozen good things to be said with that visuale image.
And I can think of a dozen horrible things to tell people with that image.

"We" are forcing predjudice.
"We" are not learning from it.
So "we" are doomed to suffer its continued affects.

Oh yah....I used to catch a lot of shit for what I did wear and how I looked, despite the fact I was an excellent student with an outstanding GPA who never caused any trouble.

That's predjudice.


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