PETA

[Billyman]

Yes, the leader of PETA is a freakin' idiot. (Just in case you didn't know already). (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2631030)

LONDON (Reuters) - The leader of a prominent U.S.-based animal rights group said she had drawn up a will directing that her flesh be barbecued and her skin used to make leather products in protest at man's ill-treatment of animals.

Ingrid Newkirk, 53, president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), said on Thursday she had chosen to donate her body to her organization for use in a variety of startling protests.

Newkirk also suggested her feet be removed and made into umbrella stands similar to those made from elephant feet that she had seen as a child.

"I want to find ways to have my work live on when I'm gone and this has been my first idea. I will make a stir when I am long in the ground," Newkirk told Reuters.

A PETA spokesman said Newkirk held British and U.S. citizenship and a copy of her will would be kept in both countries.

In the document she also suggests her liver be vacuum-packed and sent to France to be used in a campaign to persuade shoppers not to buy foie gras, made from the livers of force-fed ducks and geese.

"We are in the business of getting people to think about what happens to animals," she said.

"When they go to the grocery store and buy foie gras in a tin, there is absolutely no thought of the geese. If my liver makes people talk about the issues then some good will come of it."

Newkirk said she had not heard of anyone making similar arrangements in their will.

"We hope it will start a trend," she said, adding that she had received a letter from a person interested in using their remains to promote vegetarianism.

But one body part listed in the will is not protest or animal related. It says a small part of her heart should be buried near the Hockenheim Formula One racing circuit in Germany, preferably near the Ferrari pits.

"I love Formula One. I love Michael Schumacher, and I thought I would have a little bit of personal indulgence there," she said. "But it's not without a connection to animals because he actually signed a letter for us against experiments on monkeys in Germany."

[Barbie]

I think she needs to have a steak.

Just to loosen her up a bit!

[Skeet]

Mudflap got me into PETA stuff. I think he takes this animal rights shit a little too seriously.

Shut up and eat a fucking steak, Mudflap.

[Asmodeus]

*me walks in*

*then walks out very quickly shaking head*

[3MTA3]

I cant say I agree with PETAs take on animals...animal rights...animal testing...etc. but I do have to respect this lady for her commitment. Sure, its half crazy and probably wholly ineffective(I would, however, buy her on auction if I had the cash just so I could own 'people') but its a strong statement of her convictions...lets just hope I can get my furniture soon.

[morgana]

When they go to the grocery store and buy foie gras in a tin, there is absolutely no thought of the geese.

<font color="lime">surely she isn't serious. when i buy a steak, i certainly know it's from a cow that was beaten to death, then slaughtered for my dinner table. what, does she assume people think foie gras just magically appears in a can? she's an idiot, and makes her organization look stupid by being part of it.
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[Billyman]

Originally posted by 3MTA3
...but I do have to respect this lady for her commitment. Sure, its half crazy and probably wholly ineffective...

Commitment is honorable but when it goes to this level, I call it stupidity.

Ineffectiveness is the whole thing with me on this. Who's going to remember why she did it? Yes, all of her fallowers and the next generation of PETA's misguided youth will set up their shrines and worship her. But what effect will it have on everyone else? None. Most folks will hear about it and say she was an idiot or crazy or mentally disturbed.

She's having herself bar-b-que'd. What in the fuck for? What kind of message is she trying to send? That we wouldn't eat...her? DUH! that's cannibalism. Oh I'm sure there are a few that would like to munch on her but they're as nuts as she is.

She hopes that this will "start new trends". What kind of trend? Having our feet cut off, our flesh bar-b-que'd, our livers vac. packed? Exsqueez me, bakempowder?

This chick is mental. What little respect I do have for the organization (they actually do some good at times) is totally lost when I read about stuff like this.

[morgana]

<font color="lime">actually, i'm a fan of cannibalism myself. the stigma placed upon our bodies is based more out of arrogance than anything else. i.e., we're "higher" than the animals we eat.

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[Pianomahnn]

Jesus is the Prince of Peas.

Go PETA!

[3MTA3]

I would eat her if it was legal for me to do so...

Billyman, again, I just dont agree with her philosophy...that does not mean I can write it off as stupid...its actually pretty well developed(just wrong, according to me)...this action, as you pointed out, will indeed spur on activists of the future...mission accomplished...

[Billyman]

I just dont agree with her philosophy...that does not mean I can write it off as stupid...

Sure you can. It's OK, it the human way! :p

this action, as you pointed out, will indeed spur on activists of the future...mission accomplished...

Well since you put it that way, you are correct.

[Uberwonder]

I think this is all a very good idea. Let's barbeque all the PETA people, Texas style.
We can serve them with corn and beans.

The sooner the better too.

I hate PETA but would be happy to eat them.

[Torque]

Uber has half the plan. First, we pen raise a bunch of PETA folks, then we can spin em around some to get em even more dizzy and confused. Then, we set them out in coveys in the morning, drink a mess of bloody marys, and go flush em up and hunt em in the afternoon. That night is the big BBQ. If we miss em on the hunt, they can learn to adapt to their new environment.

[skalie]

Originally posted by morgana
When they go to the grocery store and buy foie gras in a tin, there is absolutely no thought of the geese.

<font color="lime">surely she isn't serious. when i buy a steak, i certainly know it's from a cow that was beaten to death, then slaughtered for my dinner table. what, does she assume people think foie gras just magically appears in a can? she's an idiot, and makes her organization look stupid by being part of it.
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Yeah, but foie gras is a little on the nasty side.

http://www.ciwf.co.uk/Camp/Main/Foie/foie_gras_campaign.htm

[Pianomahnn]

Ze french, they are so ceevilized!

[Uberwonder]

Of course it's nasty, it's Fench. Those fuckers eat snails and frogs which they seem to think is big game hunting.

Any PETA members that escape Torque's BBQ fiesta (which I really like the sound of) can be shipped to France.... right before we bomb the shit out it.

[Barbie]

Whats wrong with eating snails and frogs?

Some Asians eat cockroaches and grasshoppers dipped in chocolate?

African's eat grubs?

Get off the French bashing....move on...

[Mudflap]

Originally posted by Skeet
Mudflap got me into PETA stuff. I think he takes this animal rights shit a little too seriously.

Shut up and eat a fucking steak, Mudflap.

Hey.......you don't have to tell me twice.

[simiantics]

surely she isn't serious. when i buy a steak, i certainly know it's from a cow that was beaten to death, then slaughtered for my dinner table. what, does she assume people think foie gras just magically appears in a can? she's an idiot, and makes her organization look stupid by being part of it.

Maybe you see slaughterhouses in your head whenever you take a bite of steak, but personally I don't. yeah, I know where it comes from, but it tends to be at the back of my mind, along with the cruelty dealt out to these animals while being raised, along with the ecological impacts of negligent farming practices, along with the sociological impact in places like Brazil. I eat meat, and I think that some vegitarians make a lot of rediculous claims as to why people should be vegitarians, but if I thought of all that was fucked up about the meat industry every time I bought/ ate a meat product I'd have to consider myself either a sadistic or arrogant asshole to justify the burden I place on others (humans and [other] animals alike).

actually, i'm a fan of cannibalism myself. the stigma placed upon our bodies is based more out of arrogance than anything else. i.e., we're "higher" than the animals we eat.

I agree with the human arrogance. For people who should be taking up no space, the dead occupy a little too much. Being dead is no excuse to leach off of society; return to the earth like the rest of the fucking planet and drop the monopolies on our material forms.

I'm not so sure that cannibalism's such a great idea though. Mad cow disease (BSE CJD [?]) and that kuru thing in that Papua New Guinuea Fore [?] tribe kind of make it look like a bad practice to me.

[Venus]

Oh good lord! The animals used for food are bread, and raised to be just that. I wonder if she realizes how many products around her would not be possible if not for the testing, or slauter of animals. By all means, lock the fucker who set fire to a cat and tossed it out of a car window. He deserves it. But what she's talking about right there...*shakes head*
As far as the elephant feet umbrella stands go...would she have preferred the elephants be killed for the tusks only? Hey, at least they used the feet too.

[simiantics]

Oh good lord! The animals used for food are bread, and raised to be just that.

So because they were bred to be food, they can't feel pain or suffering? Because they were raised to be eaten we can trivialize their existence by objectifying them? It isn't just the killing of animals, it's the treatment of them while they're alive.

[Venus]

Uhhuh....and please provide me something farily short to read all about how badly ranchers and farmers treat their livestock that they make their money off of.

[Escape Artist]

Animals are trivial, you're trivial, I'm trivial, the goddamn Pope is trivial - accept this goddamned fact. Simon said it best - the universe doesn't give a shit about us. And, yeah, they're objects just like everything else. Compassion need not apply, it's just a nice thing that we can aspire to along with our capitalistic, sexual, and intellectual pursuits.

[3MTA3]

EA, Im not the universe and I dont hold its safe & cold detatchment...I live within this sytem...I am not the system...so I do see value...and you do too, you just deny it...like the universes opinion should have any bearing on your outlook...pfff...

Just because something can feel pain and suffer horrendously does not give it a right to live, it just means it evolved to know when its dying or being killed...my life is always worth more than that of an animal, no matter how it met its end...same with all of my species(self preservation, yadda, yadda). Being that we are intelligent beings, for the most part, we should attempt to limit suffering in our livestock as violence and sadistic behavior is not a desirable trait amongst a civilized populace...however, what some choose to do does not reflect on those of us who serve only as the end user of manufacturing...this same logic would not excuse us from purchasing people as slaves but it does cover animals...we discourage their mistreatment but we eat them for ourselves.

[Uberwonder]

Originally posted by Barbie
Whats wrong with eating snails and frogs?

Some Asians eat cockroaches and grasshoppers dipped in chocolate?

African's eat grubs?

Get off the French bashing....move on...

Actually, I have eaten and enjoyed every item you mention.
As far as bashing the fucking French, I will not get off of that. Don't they have TV in Canada? Do you have any clue as to what is being exposed about those duplicitous assholes? You haven't even begun to see French bashing.
The French deserve everything they get. I hope the US can drive their economy right down the shitter (which, considering the condition it's in, shouldn't take much).

[simiantics]

Uhhuh....and please provide me something farily short to read all about how badly ranchers and farmers treat their livestock that they make their money off of.

Something short? There is nothing short that is worthwhile.

This (http://www.cowsarecool.com/animals.html) is short, but it's also sort of biased. I still submit it as I have had friends who have worked in such places who will attest tom such thing, and some more ridiculous (such as punting chickens)... doesn't help you that much though I suppose.

Try this (http://www.organicconsumers.org/irrad/circlefour.cfm) maybe.

Cattle and swine are forced into cannibalism. Cattle are herbivores, so it's not exactly a logical practice to say the very least, not to mention a factor in why BSE was/ is such a problem

search: 'cattle cannibalism' (optional 'BSE') and take your pick of sources

Chicks are debeaked (search 'beak trimming', 'beak tipping', debeaking') in a process where less than one third of the beak is cut off in a that is painful (though short term pain) but still a mutilation. Sources may say that the cannibalism that would result otherwise would be more painful, which I don't doubt is true, but why the fuck are we raising hens in such confined spaces (oh yeah, convenience.)

A little old, but...
"The minimum space (http://www.eggcruelty.com/duncan.asp) allowance in Canada is 450 sq. cm; in many European countries, each hen must have 600 sq cm. This crowding means that the hens are constantly infringing on each other's personal space. This leads to continuous social friction and a high level of stress." --DR. IAN J.H. DUNCAN (University of Guelph, Ontario Agricultural College, Department of Animal and Poultry Science)

In response to this incident: http://www.upc-online.org/winter2001/hen_rescue_videos.html

There's a lot of stuff with hormones and chemistry that affects humans too, and a lot of stuff concerning management of fecal matter, or rather mismanagement, but I think that some of the most graphic footage you will see will involve transport of livestock. This is where people punt chickens and beat pigs, overcrowd animal, etc.

I don't know... I'm a little out of it and talking out of my ass today (I know that's a piss poor excuse). I don't have any hard copy sources on me (or means to relay them), and I'm not planning on spending the night looking for shitty web sites of debateably value. The regulations set in place for the management of livestock are done under the concept that the procedures are to be kept as humane as possible, but are still unpleasant. My initial point was only that being bred to be eaten doesn't make bine caned, or tasered, or injected with hormones and antimicrobials, or living in confinement etc. nice. Not to mention that not all people employed in this industry are going to follow those guidelines and have/ are going to do some pointless and sadistic things.

To be honest my objections to farming practices are more on the ecological level than on the ethical treatment of animals, which admittedly is not something that I'm all that well read up on.

Animals are trivial, you're trivial, I'm trivial, the goddamn Pope is trivial - accept this goddamned fact. Simon said it best - the universe doesn't give a shit about us. And, yeah, they're objects just like everything else. Compassion need not apply, it's just a nice thing that we can aspire to along with our capitalistic, sexual, and intellectual pursuits.

I agree, but your pain is not trivial to you. If you say it is, then let me poke out one of your eyes and will see how trivial you find it. In the end if we can accept the pain of all others as trivial, and do unto them as we will, then they can return the favor. In objectifying the pain of others you objectify your own pain, which is rational. Similarily, in trivializing the pain of others, you trivialize your own pain. (I mean both of the preceding statements in a practical sense... theoretically conditions could exist where this does not apply I suppose). As I have said, I doubt sincerely that no matter how objectively you view your own pain that it is truly trivial to you.

[SatansLeftHand]

Originally posted by 3MTA3
...my life is always worth more than that of an animal, no matter how it met its end...only to you, bud. only to you.

[Mudflap]

Abuses to livestock being raised for food happens, yet these abuses aren't typically due to husbandry practices in the industry. A stressed animal is much less productive and profitable than a healthy animal. Most of the abuse is inflicted by individual humans. These people are usually fired after the first offense, provided thier actions were witnessed and documented.

The above comments were provided just to add some prospective to the issue at hand, not to argue pro or con on topic.

[Escape Artist]

Originally posted by simiantics
I agree, but your pain is not trivial to you. If you say it is, then let me poke out one of your eyes and will see how trivial you find it. In the end if we can accept the pain of all others as trivial, and do unto them as we will, then they can return the favor. In objectifying the pain of others you objectify your own pain, which is rational. Similarily, in trivializing the pain of others, you trivialize your own pain. (I mean both of the preceding statements in a practical sense... theoretically conditions could exist where this does not apply I suppose). As I have said, I doubt sincerely that no matter how objectively you view your own pain that it is truly trivial to you.

Actually, you're wrong there. To anyone that isn't me, my pain is indeed trivial. The only factor that stops us from inflicting it on each other daily due to perceived slights is simple retaliation. Try poking out my eye, discover your trachea crushed and everything in your visual range swiftly vanishing into black. Thus, you wouldn't try unless you thought you could get away with it. No high flying morals involved.

Further, the reason animals don't attack/mistreat each other is this - we can go to a hospital after getting the shit kicked out of us, falling off the roof, slamming our cars into stuff due to a cellphone, or whatever. They risk their lives. If you didn't have healthcare and still had to fight for survival after a broken arm and collarbone, you'd think a lot more about calling someone a fag and seeing if they're as tough as they looked.

Pain is merely a thing, it is very much trivial, and if j00 roll around on the floor screaming after a papercut, then maybe you're objectifying it. Otherwise, yeah, it's trivial. We all ignore it, and if we can't, we pop Tylenol or such to make it easier.

Lastly, the absence of caring, compassionate behavior does not by default make someone a sadist. Might as well say the Washington Monument actively displays hatred for women, since clearly there isn't placards all over it in the name of feminism. I'm afraid that viewpoint, however much suppressed and made diplomatic, is entirely too extreme for my tastes.

[simiantics]

Actually, you're wrong there. To anyone that isn't me, my pain is indeed trivial. The only factor that stops us from inflicting it on each other daily due to perceived slights is simple retaliation.

Which is what my point was. To say that your emotions are trivial from someone else's perspective

Further, the reason animals don't attack/mistreat each other is this - we can go to a hospital after getting the shit kicked out of us, falling off the roof, slamming our cars into stuff due to a cellphone, or whatever. They risk their lives. If you didn't have healthcare and still had to fight for survival after a broken arm and collarbone, you'd think a lot more about calling someone a fag and seeing if they're as tough as they looked.

Animals are capable of abusive behaviour and perversion. Chimpanzees are, cats are, but we write it off as instinct, or territorialism, or insanity, or social disorder. If it were a human we would hold them culpable, and anyone who suggested to the contrary would be a pc liberal bleeding heart. I don't think that health care [metonymic] plays such a big factor in weighing consequences. It's the people I know who lived in areas that my fellow citizens look on as primitive that will put it all on the line in fights, in assuming physical harm, in assuming financial harm. Perhaps they have less to lose, or perhaps they've been exposed. If you took away my health care then perhaps I would be cowed, but if I never had it to begin with... People/ animals don't seem to generally sacrifice security, but if they have no security then it's not much of a scarifice.

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Pain is merely a thing, it is very much trivial, and if j00 roll around on the floor screaming after a papercut, then maybe you're objectifying it. Otherwise, yeah, it's trivial. We all ignore it, and if we can't, we pop Tylenol or such to make it easier.

But we don't ignore it. We build our social order on the threat of harm and retribution; large portions of our art are focused on pain, but art is what we devote ourselves to in some form or another when not working. How much of the poetry posted on this site is about pain? You trivialize it from an outside perspective, but people are self centred-- it's all they know-- and they look at it in the first person. I used to objectify everything I felt constantly; I mean when you break it down pain is only sensation interpreted by the brain with no real positive or negative, only function. Computers have as much emotion and sensations as humans do, just not as diverse. If you're depressed and cannot cry or smile or figure out whether it truly would be practical to kill yourself or not then it gets a little easier, but even then the first person is everything, and unless you cannot properly weigh consequences everything is done to serve the self based on the importance of seeking pleasure, or avoiding/ ending pain.

Emotions are trivial to the third party, but you will never weigh the world from the eyes of the third party so long as you are human. Or if you will, for accuracy sake, replace those 'you's with 'I's.

[MAC]

I heard something similar once, ea :)

I only posted to inform you that I agree 100% with 3mta3

I felt that was noteworthy.

carry on harming animals while I get in good with alicia silverstone....her tight pleather pants are so sexy...

[TotalAnarchy]

you should have to slaughter what you eat. Or at least take kids out when they are just starting high school and make them kill cows or something to make them understand where the fucking hamburger shit comes from./

[Billyman]

Hamburger shit? What the fuck is hamburger shit? :p

[3MTA3]

I would like to go ahead and give up the charade...I am actually MAC and I have been posting my agreement to various statements of 3mta3's to strengthen this alternate 'character' I have been playing...basically I was planning to build a cult of personality on this here forum and slowly transition it to the real world in an attempt to instigate a military coup...following this event, I would quickly rise to power with the help of you...my future minions...however, all my work has been for naught...Satans Left Hand exposed me tonight in a PM and threatened to report me to the authorities...so I have decided to come clean and put this all behind me...I hope you guys can put it behind you.

[Billyman]

:eyebrow:

[MAC]

LIES!
ALL LIES!

For this infringement you shall pay dearly!

now what the hell would make jed think I'm 3mta3?

[skalie]

Originally posted by Billyman
Hamburger shit? What the fuck is hamburger shit? :p

Hamburger shit is the shit they put in hamburgers.

No really.

Legislation allows 0.5% cowshit in your burger, burger has 0.3% cowshit, what do they do?

They add 0.2% cowshit to your burger.

[Uberwonder]

Hamburger Helper!!!

[Billyman]

Originally posted by MAC
LIES!
ALL LIES!

For this infringement you shall pay dearly!

now what the hell would make jed think I'm 3mta3?

Why doesn't 3MTA3's IP show up?

[3MTA3]

Because I am uber-1337.

[MAC]

before you get too cocky there 3mta3, ask skalie what happened when I registered as him at his his deutsche punk forum and apologized for all the mean things he had said and asked to please be unbanned.

some ppl have only their pride in this world. :)

[skalie]

All I asked was if you could find out what happened.

[Barbie]

ham-berger is blah!
chicken is blah!
pork is blah!

soy is your friend :p

[Billyman]

Here we go again.

Soy shit.

Because 9 times out of 10, that's what it tastes like.........shit.

And don't give me that "acquired taste" crap. If I have to "get use to it" I ain't fucking eatin' it. :)

[Escape Artist]

Originally posted by Billyman
Here we go again.

Soy shit.

Because 9 times out of 10, that's what it tastes like.........shit.

And don't give me that "acquired taste" crap. If I have to "get use to it" I ain't fucking eatin' it. :)

I'm guessing you were never big on eatin' pussy then, either? ;)

FAG!

[Billyman]

Well to derail the thread further.........

Good pussy isn't an acquired taste. It's an instant addiction.

[Escape Artist]

Derailing threads is in accordance with prophecy.

Indeed so, in most cases. I just didn't have anything else to jerk yer chain with. :(