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SimpleSimon
02-18-2003, 09:05 PM
To: All the citizens of the USA

From: SFC Red Thomas (Ret) ,Armor Master Gunner, Mesa, AZ

Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to write a paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a retired military weapons, munitions, and training expert.

Lesson number one: In the mid 1990s there were a series of nerve gas attacks on crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditions for an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured (the injured were better in a few hours) and only one percent of the injured died. 60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas could kill a thousand people, well he didn't tell you the thousand dead people per drop was theoretical. Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep the recruits awake in class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeant too).

Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies, or read in a novel about this stuff, it was all a lie (read this sentence again out loud!)! These weapons are about terror, if you remain calm, you will probably not die. This is far less scary than the media and their "Experts," make it sound.

Chemical weapons are categorized as Nerve, Blood, Blister, and
Incapacitating agents Contrary to the hype of reporters and politicians they are not weapons of mass destruction they are "Area denial," and terror weapons that don't destroy anything. When you leave the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the difference; you can leave the area and the risk; soldiers may have to stay put and sit through it and that's why they need all that spiffy gear.

These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne particles. The agent must be delivered in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and that defines when/how it's used. Every day we have a morning and evening inversion where "stuff," suspended in the air gets pushed down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen) and air pollution are worst at these times of the day. So, a chemical attack will have it's best effect an hour of or either side of sunrise/sunset. Also, being vapors and airborne particles they are heavier than air so they will seek low places like ditches, basements and underground garages.

This stuff won't work when it's freezing, it doesn't last when it's hot,
and wind spreads it too thin too fast. They've got to get this stuff on
you, or, get you to inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the
concentration of chemicals high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and it's nothing, too much and it's wasted.

What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a chemical weapons attack that kills a lot of people is incredibly hard to do with military grade agents and equipment so you can imagine how hard it will be for terrorists. The more you know about this stuff the more you realize how hard it is to use.

We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have these in your house, plain old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve agents work the same way; they are cholinesterase inhibitors that mess up the signals your nervous system uses to make your body function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin but it works best if they can get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first minute and you can leave the area you're probably gonna live. The military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime chloride. Neither one of these does anything to cure the nerve agent, they send your body into overdrive to keep you alive for five minutes, after that the agent is used up. Your best protection is fresh air and staying calm.

Listed below are the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning: Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're looking at will have pinpointed pupils), Runny nose, Excessive saliva or drooling, Difficulty breathing, Tightness in chest, Nausea, Stomach cramps, Twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got on you.

If you are in public and you start experiencing these symptoms, first ask yourself, did anything out of the ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did someone spray something on the crowd? Are other people getting sick too? Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn, something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be?

If the answer is yes, then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and
inhale more air/poison) leave the area and head up wind, or, outside. Fresh air is the best "right now antidote". If you have a blob of liquid that looks like molasses or Kayro syrup on you; blot it or scrape it off and away from yourself with anything disposable. This stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to kill bugs won't hurt you unless you stand there and breathe it in real deep, then lick the residue off the ground for while. Remember they have to do all the work, they have to get the concentration up and keep it up for several minutes while all you have to do is quit getting it on you/quit breathing it by putting space between you and the attack.

Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your blood's ability to provide oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be the same as nerve agent. Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying something and folks around there getting woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are bitter almonds or garlic where it shouldn't be.

The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the fingernails rapid breathing. The military's antidote is amyl nitride and just like nerve agent antidote it just keeps your body working for five minutes till the toxins are used up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.

Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants to even handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle safely and may have delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack scenario is also limited to the things you'd see from other chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for no apparent reason, don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid from the blister get on any other area, the stuff just keeps on spreading. It's just as likely to harm the user as the target. Soap, water, sunshine, and fresh air are this stuffs enemy.

Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrial
chemical spills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize you, to heard you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack, leave the area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream. They have to get the stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be hurt by one of these attacks. Your odds get better if you leave the area. Soap, water, time, and fresh air really deal this stuff a knock-out-punch. Don't let fear of an isolated attack rule your life. The odds are really on your side.

Nuclear bombs: These are the only weapons of mass destruction on earth. The effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If you see a bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun isn't, fall to the ground! The heat will be over a second. Then there will be two blast waves, one out going, and one on it's way back. Don't stand up to see what happened after the first wave; anything that's going to happen will have happened in two full minutes. These will be low yield devices and will not level whole cities. If you live through the heat, blast, and initial burst of radiation, you'll probably live for a very very long time.

Radiation will not create fifty foot tall women, or giant ants and grass hoppers the size of tanks. These will be at the most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT. Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of exposed (not all!) people within a half mile of the blast. Under perfect conditions this is about a half mile circle of death and destruction, but, when it's done it's done.

EMP stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and it will fry every electronic device for a good distance, it's impossible to say what and how far but probably not over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good guess. Cars, cell phones, computers, A TMs, you name it, all will be out of order.

There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need to worry about three, the others you have lived with for years. You need to worry about "Ionizing radiation," these are little sub atomic particles that go whizzing along at the speed of light. They hit individual cells in your body, kill the nucleus and keep on going. That's how you get radiation poisoning, you have so many dead cells in your body that the decaying cells poison you. It's the same as people getting radiation treatments for cancer, only a bigger area gets radiated.

The good news is you don't have to just sit there and take it, and there's lots you can do rather than panic. First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of a news paper or your clothing will stop beta particles, you just gotta try and avoid inhaling dust that's contaminated with atoms that are emitting these things and you'll be generally safe from them.

Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays (quantum physics makes my brain hurt) and they create the same damage as alpha and beta particles only they keep going and kill lots of cells as they go all the way through your body. It takes a lot to stop these things, lots of dense material, on the other hand it takes a lot of this to kill you. Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene and normal preparation are your friends.

All canned or frozen food is safe to eat. The radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits and vegetables are OK if there's no dust on them (rinse them off if there is).

If you don't have running water and you need to collect rain water or use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes and skim off the water gently from the top. The dust with the bad stuff in it will settle and the remaining water can be used for the toilet which will still work if you have a bucket of water to pour in the tank.

Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here. Basic personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than a million doctors. Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy kisses, etc., ...with strangers. Keep your garbage can with a tight lid on it, don't have standing water (like old buckets, ditches, or kiddie pools) laying around to allow mosquitoes breeding room. This stuff is carried by vectors, that is bugs, rodents, and contaminated material. If biological warfare is as easy as the TV makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein spent twenty years, millions, and millions of dollars trying to get it right? If you're clean of person and home you eat well and are active you're gonna live.

Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as you'd take for a big storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I know this stuff and I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to bother with one either (how's that for confidence). We have a week's worth of cash, several days worth of canned goods and plenty of soap and water. We don't leave stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we don't have them.

These people can't conceive a nation this big with this much resources. These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we don't run around like sheep they won't use this stuff after they find out it's no fun. The government is going nuts over this stuff because they have to protect every inch of America . You've only gotta protect yourself, and by doing that, you help
the country.

Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here and you can think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best. This letter is supposed to help the greatest number of people under the greatest number of situations.

If you don't like my work, don't nit pick, just sit down and explain
chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare in a document around three pages long yourself. This is how we the people of the United States can rob these people of their most desired goal, your terror.

SFC Red Thomas (Ret)
Armor Master Gunner
Mesa, AZ
Reproduction and distribution is authorized and encouraged. Just give me credit for my work.

Mudflap
02-18-2003, 09:26 PM
*thumbs up*

Asmodeus
02-19-2003, 01:29 AM
Yuppers. And people said jarheads are all idiots.

Cruise Director
02-19-2003, 06:24 PM
I need to print that and hand it out to all of the sheeple at work who are buying me out of duct tape and plastic sheeting.

3MTA3
02-20-2003, 07:34 AM
Ok, I have fucking had it with people branding everyone in America as stupid because they have gone and done exactly what was suggested to them by the lead federal agency on the issue of domestic terrorist events...Im fucking done with it. You, shutup. No one is stupid for being prepared...no one shows up in front of you to purchase said duct-tape with a scared look in their eyes...not a single fucking person is panicked when they make their purchase so shut the fuck up. Dont fucking lie and over-exaggerate the emotional state of the one frantic housemom who had 4 kids in tow, claiming she was showing signs of severe fear and panick because its not fucking happening...shut yer fucking mouth.

Fuckers, any time the USG releases info that it feels may be benificial to your mother fucking survival you faggots go and call it a scare tactic...thinking that the USG is trying to propell Johnny off to war with a mother fucking color coded alert system...you are the ones who are fucking stupid because you have no God damned idea how advertising works...and yes, it is advertising, no arguing. Mother fuckers, at least your nation attempts to prepare you for the worst case scenario, attempts to keep you as informed as possible without compromising the absolute shitload of behind the scenes intel/counter-terrorism work thats going on...all you fucks will blabber on for days about how knowledge is power but the second one of the most credible governments in the world, as far as openness, human rights, freedom of information, etc. tells you something that it has carefully examined and considered because they feel it is in your own best interest, you go screaming about propaganda and all sorts of other idiotic bullshit...fuck you, fuck you, fuck you...you have become the unthinking shitbox you despise you reactionary cunt...drop yer fucking pre-conceptions, stop gleaning the surface and thinking that youve gotten the whole picture...and stop talking out of your ass...

Ps. I love you.

Cruise Director
02-20-2003, 05:37 PM
No, really, tell me how you REALLY feel. :D

The people are not pinicing. They are being misled. The government is giving people "busy work" in an attempt to build support for the upcoming war. "If the President is telling me to put plastic on my windows, there must be a threat; therefore we should attack those making the threat."

It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Eatme, if they were only buying the amounts of plastic and duct tape to do their house, I'd almost understand. But some of them are actually hording the stuff. They're also buying paint resperators and safety goggles like crazy.

The majority of the people are okay. Even though it will do you absolutely no good to tape up plastic on your windows, hey, what ever makes you feel better. But I have had more than one person coming in buying foam sealant, caulking and everything else imaginable to seal up kitchen sink drains, caulk doors shut, block ventilation ducts in to their attics, seal up chimneys, etc. You can't tell me people aren't taking this to extremes.

But oh well, I'll take their money and laugh at them the whole time.

P.S. I love you too.

3MTA3
02-20-2003, 06:32 PM
I can agree that some people are being a bit stupid about it...and you do have better first hand knowledge than I on the amount of materials being purchased...but the idea that this is to drum up support for a war?? Come on...arent there about one billion better ways to sway public opinion than through the indirect method of encouraging 'homeland dilligence'?? Serioiusly, you cant actually belive that the increase in a terror level and a suggestion by the DoHD is an effective toold for managing war support can you?? I mean, whens the last time an ad worked on you? Yeah, never...and thats a direct form of influence...your idea is that their plan is to circumvent all normal channels of communication...I find it assumptive and proeposterous...go take a marketing class, you sexy bitch...

Oh, and then theres the whole thing about how the majority of the US population favors war with Iraq...why use subversive and unproven techniques for influencing public opinion when you hold a majority, huh lover?? Why??

Venus
02-20-2003, 06:55 PM
I always figured a nucular blast would be much worse than this article describes. Of course, I have no first hand knowledge so I guess my assumption was made from moives and the like. If something does happen, I'll likely make sure my daughter is with her dad. He lives 40 eat of town, an no one's gonna bother to do anything to the tiny town of Byers Colorado. Hell, maybe I'd even put up with him for a few days and take my SO out there with me...or maybe not, cause he's in reserves, and would likely by then be called to active duity....sorry, rambleing. Anyhow, if I die from something like this, then I die. Plain and simple. I will not live in solitude and confined to one room.

Cruise Director
02-21-2003, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by 3MTA3
*SNIP

I absolutely do believe that the DOHD drums up terror warnings to increase the support of the war. Regardless of what the polls say about support of the upcoming war, the government wants more support. So far the loudest voices are being heard from anti-war demonstrations and I believe that in an effort to keep the masses from swaying from war support, they drum up little tasks like plastic on the windows.

Advertising does work. Perhaps not as well on you and me but it does work. So does the art of "snake-oil" selling. Generally on the less intelligent population but it does work. How many times do you read about people getting taken in get-rich-quick scams or losing their savings to some guy selling the American Dream? It happens primarily to the elderly, it seems, and most of them believe whatever Dan Rather tells them.

BTW, I'm still waiting for my valentine's card.

D_I
02-21-2003, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by Venus
[color=skyblue]I always figured a nucular blast would be much worse than this article describes.[color]

From what I've heard, the duct tape and plastic sheeting is more about a 'radiological bomb' rather than a nuclear weapon or chemical/biological. While the protection from setting up a 'safe room' from that kind of attack may be limited, its better than nothing at all.

I dont live in a densely populated area, I havent bought or plan to buy any of those things.

MAC
02-21-2003, 03:56 PM
perspective
perspective
perspective

for years we tryed to kill roaches but they just live through everything....heh

ok,
I know ppl who go shopping each evening so they can have dinner
imagine a nation where roughly 80 % of the population cannot feed itself the way it normally would for one full day without shopping
now imagine a nation wher e60% of th eppl cannot feed themselves a healthy diet for 2 days without shopping
now imagine a nation where 40% of the ppl will be totally without any food in 1 week
(please note I made up the % I don't know what they are.

yes, your toilet will still flush but think about it

perform this test

go home tonight (friday) and turn off all the electric in your house (except you refridgerator of course, don't spoil your food)
fill a one gallon container with water, eat dinner based on whats in your cupboard that you don't have to cook. do not drive, do not use running water, do not watch TV or listen to the radio and DON'T leave your house
sunday morning turn it all back on

what did you do?
how did you feel with nothign to distract you and no way to move around?
now you have an IDEA what life is REALLY like

and all these discussion about "why this" and "whats the meaning" are so fuckin pointless

sit alone inside your house, insulated from everything, with NO distractions and see what you REALLY want

never mind.