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Koliedrus
02-14-2003, 06:58 PM
Makes my hands hurt just thinking about the recoil.

Bears, beware (http://www.austin360.com/aas/business/ap/ap_story.html/Financial/AP.V0835.AP-New-Revolver.html)!

Smith & Wesson Unveils Magnum Revolver
By TRUDY TYNAN
Associated Press Writer


SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (AP)--Dirty Harry is now outgunned: Smith & Wesson has introduced its biggest handgun ever, a .50-caliber Magnum.

The five-shot revolver with an 8 1/2-inch barrel weighs about 4 1/2 pounds--roughly a pound more than the big black .44 Magnum boasted by Clint Eastwood in the Dirty Harry movies. It fires a new .50-caliber cartridge that the company said produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44--or enough stopping power to bring down a charging bear.

``The primary market for it is hunting'' big game, spokesman Ken Jorgensen said.

Smith & Wesson would not give production or sales estimates.

Steve Comus, publications director of the Safari Club International said he expects Smith & Wesson would sell several thousand of them to sportsmen interested in handgun hunting--and create a buzz for the company.

``It's not a plinking (target shooting) gun, and it's not for beginners,'' said Comus, who tested a prototype.

Comus described the recoil as ``substantial'' even when compared with that of other big caliber guns. Still, he called it a ``very manageable weapon'' with the stopping power of a powerful rifle.

The gun would not run afoul of state and federal laws, the company said.

Still some questioned the wisdom of producing a more powerful handgun.

``It boggles the mind,'' said Tom Ortiz, an author and executive director of the Violence Policy Center. He predicted the new Magnum would create ``a new order of threat to law enforcement.''

Jorgensen said Smith & Wesson has long promoted handguns as hunting weapons. The .357 Magnum was introduced in the 1930s by Douglas B. Wesson, a grandson of one of the company's founders, to promote the sport of hunting big game with a handgun, he said.

The company followed that up with the .44 Magnum in the 1950s.

``Those were the building blocks,'' Jorgensen said. ``Now, we've stepped it up to a new level.''

The .50-caliber gun, which sells for $989, is one of nine new models Smith & Wesson introduced this week at a trade show in Orlando, Fla. President Roy C. Cuny said it was the largest number of new introductions in recent years.

The introduction of the big gun marks a sharp departure for the 150-year-old company, which for the past five years has concentrated on the development of lightweight revolvers using alloys of rare metals.

Among the other new guns being introduced by Smith & Wesson is the industry's lightest-ever: a .44 Magnum that has a 4-inch barrel, scandium frame, titanium cylinder and weighs in at 1 pound, 10 1/2 ounces.

``We see this as an opportunity for backpackers,'' Cuny said. ``A light firearm of this caliber, in fact provides protection against bears and other big things.''

Despite a spike following the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, handgun sales have long been on the decline in the United States, and Smith & Wesson has struggled along with other gunmakers.

But Smith & Wesson, long the industry leader, also lost business in recent years after striking a deal with the Clinton administration in 2000 to install safety locks on all its guns and change its marketing practices.

Other gunmakers decided not to follow Smith & Wesson's lead, and gun advocates accused the company of selling out.

In 2001, the ailing gunmaker was sold by its British owner to an Arizona startup company that all but abandoned the agreement with the government and adopted an aggressive marketing stance.

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On the Net:

www.smith-wesson.com


AP-NY-02-13-03 1714EST

MAC
02-14-2003, 07:25 PM
[guess if this is sarcasm]
Kol, don't make me reregister as hillary clinton to show you that this a weapon designed to kill police officers.
[/guess if this is sarcasm]

ya'll might not know this but there's a small niche market for odd calibers and singular function firearms.

S&W lost ALOT of its market share and it has to compete with taurus, who is established for all the "utility" firearms. (utility is across the board tasks, like home defense, small game hunting, plinking, etc)

now, we suck in the few who need something they would have custom built for themselves...and the thousands who will buy something just cause its "cool"

I bet you never hear a news report about this gun being used in a crime...hey
what if its aconspiracy and the fed is using S&W to set up the next great gun-control movement? ban big handguns.

hmmm

Billyman
02-15-2003, 01:50 AM
Must.....have.....the.....gun.

Asmodeus
02-15-2003, 01:59 AM
It fires a new .50-caliber cartridge that the company said produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44--or enough stopping power to bring down a charging bear.

Umm.. sure it may have more muzzel energy, but stopping a bear? No. Go ask my ex-uncle who spent three days in a tree after he unloaded a full clip from a .45 into a bear.

Sounds like a neat gun though.

SimpleSimon
02-15-2003, 01:59 AM
I have no need for such a toy. Don't go camping anywhere, let alone elephant country.

If I decide to hunt blue pork, I'll use a long weapon. Till such an eventuality arises, I feel no need for weapons, although I respect them and enjoy them as recreation.

I prefer my current interest, and if it works it will make this handgun look like a childs sucker dart gun. I hope to produce my own long-range "reach out and touch someone" tool.

Billyman
02-15-2003, 04:30 AM
Originally posted by Asmodeus
Umm.. sure it may have more muzzel energy, but stopping a bear? No. Go ask my ex-uncle who spent three days in a tree after he unloaded a full clip from a .45 into a bear.

Sounds like a neat gun though.

Dude, Asmod, have you ever really seen the damage a .44 mag can do? I mean really seen the damage? I was a dumbass and sold mine but I'm getting it back soon enough. (an agreement with my buddy that I sold it to.) A .50 mag? Three times the muzzle energy? Wholly motherfucking cat shit!

The 1911 I carry in my truck is a nice peice and has lots of knockdown power but it's like a .22 against my old .44 mag.

A .50 MAG! WHOLLY MOTHERFUCKING CAT SHIT!

Mudflap
02-15-2003, 04:48 AM
What's the major difference between this piece and the .50 cal Desert Eagle?

Billyman
02-15-2003, 05:00 AM
Well it's basically the difference between a .44 and a .44 mag. You remember my my .44 mag right? Nice peice aye? Anywayz, If I loaded it with .44 (non-mag) rounds it had the devistation of my .45. When loaded with .44 mag rounds it had the devistation of small canon.

It's like the diff. between a .22 short and .22 mag round.

Finer powder (which makes it hotter), don't know if the amount of it is increased, I think the grain of the bullet it heavier, basically night and day kind of thing.

Mac will prolly give more clarity, I'm too lazy to look up some numbers.

Cruise Director
02-15-2003, 07:02 AM
Too much gun.

MAC
03-02-2003, 11:09 PM
muddy, this is a totally different round designed by cor-bon for a totally new firearm designed by S&W.

but don't worry, the democrats know that all new things deserve a good banning (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200302/CUL20030217b.html)

meanwhile, I have been patiently waiting for ballistics tests and articles about this behemoth (http://www.smithandwesson.com/headline.xml?producer=headline&ACTION=SHOW&headline=100043)

not much info yet, but I finally got to read an article in shooting times about it and what they lack in technical specifics they have made up for in clarity of purpose

S&W settled with the clinton administrations lawsuit shit back in 98 (?) when the british company that owned them decided it was better to claim that they were in fact responsible for the ppl who used their firearms for crimes and get a big fat gov't contract to sell firearms to the law enforcement and military rather than fight

well, the old school USA S&W leadership bought the company back 100% and the bush administration "assisted" them out of the lawsuit settlement

they immediately set out to try to get back some of the market they had lost, they appear to be doing well (http://www.smithandwesson.com/headline.xml?producer=headline&ACTION=SHOW&headline=100029)

so they needed to reestablish them selves with new revolvers and pistols, they used new sizes, new materials, new configurations and did quiet well setting the standard for small light magnum powered revolvers

but NOW they wanted to go all the way tot he other side of the spectrum and conquer the market with the BIGGEST factory production revolver.....

WOW

before you toss out more of "its too much gun", it IS too much gun for most game, but then again I am sick of deer hunters using 30-06 and 300 win mags to shoot deer at 25 yards
THAT's too much gun
but at 300+yards...different story

the .357 got popular knocking over bowling pins
the .44 mag made its name in 100+yard sillohette shooting matches
all these things have a purpose, now what the macho-idiots will use them for.....I don't know...ppl can't seem to decide when smoking is appropriate either
until I see ballistics I won't know what "niche" this round fits..but I will mention that one of the funnest guns I ever fired was an OLD ruger autoloading rifle (see: the new deerfield) in .44 mag. cooj gun :)

the article did give this data:
the 440gr cast lead round went 1625fps at 2578ft-lbs and 49,500 psi

the hottest current commercial load for your .44 mag is a .240gr with 1600ft-lb

whats that mean? dead rhinos and elephants...that what that means

just incase you are rubbing your wrist right now thinking about the recoil, the author of the article states very clearly that shooting it is no worse than any other magnum handgun load...until you remove the muzzel brake...I have shot a couple of modern revolvers with good porting and it is truely amazing what it can do to reduce jump and recoil. Try it, you'll like it.
The other incredibly important factor in recoil is those hogue grips. I will say with NO reservations that if you like to shoot a S&W style DA revolver you should look into them. I got to shoot 4 different S&W and dan wessons .357's side by side a few years ago. All almost the same gun firing the same ammo and those hogue grips made SOOOOOOOO much difference its not even funny.

Now, even if you don't like firearms you may be amazed at the following tidbits of info

1) its a.50 cal because anything larger than .500 requires "an elaborate set of justification hurdles for any manufacturer to get approval to produce new commercial ammunition larger than .50 caliber" (to which I can find NO links...another law we aren't allowed to know about)

2) the round and firearm where designed independantly in less than 1 year and went form design to production directly with NO models prior to the final designs prototypes built to test fire and used in the article.
why?
COMPUTERS!!!!
yes, they designed this shit on cad systems and with ballistics programs to KNOW exactly what it would do before they ever made one. final fit and finish from the desk of an engineer to the CNC machines that cut the parts. No scratch pads, no building test pieces, no boring out an old piece of stock to see how the tooling cut. Design and fabrication as refined as science and technology can make it right now with minimal waste and ultra safe industry standard material property guidelines.

thats cool

BTW:
for you ppl who like something truely new......this new x-frame size they built to handle this round has a cylinder long enough to hold .223 rounds......oh yeah...I WANT a 10 shot .223 revolver with a 14-16" barrel and 1:7 twist
that would be so fucking much fun *MAC spooges on himself*

Torque
03-03-2003, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Cruise Director
Too much gun.

There is no such thing as too much gun. Just too little target.

Torque
03-03-2003, 01:20 AM
Ok, now a serious response. I think it's a great thing, these new revolvers. I can't think of anything I care to hunt around here that would require it, but if i was into dangerous game or something, it would be a nice thing to have along. I'm sure it will end up being the king of the hill for long distance pistol competition too, especially if the muzzle break works as advertised.

Folks just get too bunged up about new stuff, like Mac said. I'm sure there will be a bunch of hullabaloo about banning it, making it an even more popular item. I'm not a revolver person, but I can dig it. I won't be buying one, but I hope someone I know does, so I can try it out a few times.

Yeah, some guys are going to sit in a tree and throw corn down so they can shoot deer with it from 20 feet. If someone is going to be an unsporting ass, they have no shortage of tools to choose from. These are the same sorts of folks that enjoy driving around with a deer head flapping over the tailgate of the truck, thus ensuring that people who were indifferent to hunting stop being indifferent, and find it a bad thing.

Imma stop now. Or else I will begin to rant.