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Pianomahnn
02-05-2003, 05:16 PM
I was able to listen to roughly 45 minutes of his presentation, from around 9:45CST until 10:30CST, and was quite pleased with what has been presented so far.

Numerous audio recordings, satellite images, and other incriminating evidence was provided in what seems to be obvious evidence of Iraq's possession of biological and chemical weapons, and a possibility of at least nuclear weapon research facilities, if not nuclear weapons themselves.

Even if Iraq does not currently have in its possession ANY weapons deemed capable of mass casualties, they are in material breach of UN resolution 1421 passed in November, 2002. Satellite images showing huge vehical caravans exporting materials from weapons facilities days before UN inspectors were to arrive. Audio recordings of high up military officials relaying orders to destroy, hide, or remove incriminating weapons and vehicles were also presented.

After hearing the 45 minutes, of which I am under the assumption another 45 minutes remained, I can not understand how any one person or nation could state that evidence has not been presented which proves Iraq's involvement in dangerous biological and chemical weaponry, possible creation of nuclear weapons, and gross breach of not only the most recent UN resolution, but all resolutions regarding Iraq's disarmament previous to the one approved in November of 2002.

Saddam Hussein, if not a threat to the United States, is a threat to his neighbors, as evident by his historical use of chemical and biological weapons on those neighbors and even his own citizens.

War is a horrible thing. But it seems foolish to sit around while France, Germany, and partisan officials from the United States bend over and turn a blind eye to the evidence proving Saddam's having these dangerous weapons. 17 UN resolutions seem to prove diplomacy will not work with this man. He has disregarded the demands of the UN and those demands of the treaty which was signed after the Persian Gulf War.

What's it going to be; a dead Saddam Hussein and his military hooligans or thousands of dead civilians from around the world killed by his biological and chemical weapons?

MAC
02-06-2003, 04:16 AM
point #1)
right now thousands of west africans are being murdered by their "leaders"
no biological weapons involved, nor the economics to create them and supply them to others
but murder none the less

so that excuse is out

point #2)
breach of disarmament resolutions:
they originally said he must admit to everything he had and get rid of them
the inspectors originally went to make sure that everythign was
a) catalogued and accounted for
b) destroyed

they wandered around for more than 4 years without doing that efficently and no one carred till Iraq threw them out

point #3)
why do the neighbors of iraq seem to be silent on this subject?

before you answer let me point out that the pakistan/india border is as violent as ever and it NEVER makes the news headlines

I am all for removing saddam and I believe he has these weapons
but lets get honest about the reason we are going their first
they have the money
and the money has more sway than all the armys of the globe

I know this much
all this posturing will ellict certain responses. it snot proof of 'evil" its to be expected defensiveness
either commit to the change only war can effect or come home and let the economics and beurocracy have at it again

with much respect to general powell, this is all just smoke while the stage burns under the actors

zim
02-06-2003, 04:52 AM
one overlooked reason for why iraq is first is the land.

we can fight a successful campaign without having to commit many troops to the ground. You can see just about everything in the desert from the air. Things are different in south african nations and the koreas.

Pianomahnn
02-06-2003, 12:38 PM
Well, lets take care of those places also.

SimpleSimon
02-06-2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Pianomahnn
Well, lets take care of those places also. You are so eager, my college buddy, contemplating graduate school.

"Let's take care of those places also." Wonderful sentiment; it'll mean more when you post on the tribe whilst on leave after completing basic training before reporting to your infantry unit for transport to the latest war zone.

I hope you get back home physically intact, with sgt's stripes on your sleeve, and the nightmares aren't too debilitating.

Enjoy your "adventures in pacification".

MAC
02-07-2003, 05:48 PM
Gentlemen, our unenlisted political "leaders" seem to have no compunction not to continue beurocratic practices that leave us, nationally, with little option except war...and leave us socially, as citizens, with little option but to commit ourselves to it. You can serve in our volunteer army if you wish or you understand the cost "way of life" and keep in mind that your tax-producing ass may one day actually have to pick up your constitutionally protected firearms to defend your home against an invader other than the ATF.

But regardless what countrys are actively militarily aggressive and keystone to the few remaining bastions of tyrannical malice as its been recorded in history, this war is going to happen and the middle east and subsequently much of the muslim faith (as its being abused right now) must change.
I would love to see it be economic evolution that fixes these problems, but that hasn't happened or been allowed to. We are dealing with the remenats of our fuckery in the cold war.
So ask yourselves, what will our current fuckery result in 20 years from now?