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Billyman
01-31-2003, 11:29 PM
As I do not believe there are such things as "curse words" I do believe there are words and/or phrases that are inappropriate in certain company and places.

Read.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/13103_bbparents.html

WILLIAMSPORT, Md. — Even in this age of raunchy rap and tasteless television, high school drama coach Ruth Ridenour warned students trying out for "Les Miserables" that it contained swear words.

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Three, precisely: "hell," "bitch" and "bastard."

The students were all right with that, but some parents were not.

Several complained, and administrators are now preparing to consider whether the musical _ four weeks into rehearsals and set for an April 11-13 run _ is too raw for this Potomac River town of 1,900.

Williamsport High School will form a committee to review the lyrics if it receives a written request to do so, said Principal John Davidson. At least one person has picked up a complaint form, and three parents have called to complain.

The fuss surprises some students.

"It's just acting and I'm not in this production just to say the language," said Bryant Sigler, 15, who stars as the musical's protagonist, Jean Valjean.

"I'm in it because of the story that the words tell."

The play, a sanitized version of the hit Broadway musical, tells of Valjean's persecution after he steals a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. Other characters include a prostitute and a dishonest innkeeper.

Sigler has started a campaign to rescue the production by passing out 500 handbills printed with "Save Les Miz."

Aspiring actress Emily Conrad, 15, said the community should support the production.

"I feel that if we're mature enough to handle this, then the audience should be mature enough to handle it," she said.
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Would you say the language in the play was a bit much or no?

"Hell" I can't imagine the hoopla over.

"Bastard" and "Bitch", I'm not sure what context they were used.

Your thoughts?

MAC
01-31-2003, 11:53 PM
the point of les miserables was about a man's redemption and the depth of the good he could do. (Unlike the movie which was about the bad guy dieing in the end)

"fuck the police" as said by Easy-E meant 'I'm tired of being jacked with by white cops because I'm black'

but then again its NOT the meaning, its the words

its the words

I ran into my old highschool's band director a month or two back and he said "Man I can't believe how you've changed since you got your hair cut"

ppl (I'm not gonna quantify that) are idiots and have NO concept of themselves or of any meaning beyond exactly what they see.

and they see what they want to

[I give up]
so ban that terrible play
and fire the theatre teacher who wanted them to speak that way

we will all be better off and more equal
[/I give up]
:mad:

MrsKol
02-02-2003, 11:46 PM
Let's see, why don't we get rid of Shakespeare, Salinger, Sophocles,
Homer and the other classics. Can't have the kids thinking about how the classics are about everyman, the trials and tribulations, about sin and redemption, now can we. Now I guess hope does not spring eternal. (being very sarcastic, btw)

Billyman
02-02-2003, 11:59 PM
Glad to see this thread topped. Last night, on the WB (in case some of you don't know what the WB is, it's a channel that is made to target the younger audience. There was this show (I forget which) that had "bitch" numerous times. Of course I saw nothing wrong with it but I looked up it's meaning to see what it "means" in today's language.

bitch [ bich ]
noun (plural bitch·es)

1. taboo term: a highly offensive term for a woman that describes her as spiteful, quarrelsome, and unprincipled ( taboo )


2. complaint: a querulous nagging complaint ( slang ) ( often considered offensive )


3. something difficult: a difficult thing or situation ( slang ) ( often considered offensive ) That lock’s a real bitch to open.


intransitive verb (past bitched, past participle bitched, present participle bitch·ing, 3rd person present singular bitch·es)

1. be nasty about somebody: to talk about somebody who is not present in an unpleasant or malicious way ( slang )


2. complain continually: to complain or grumble about something continually

Yup, that's just about it, the way I saw it too.

Uberwonder
02-03-2003, 01:41 AM
It is also the proper name for a female dog. Why isn't that listed?

Put the play on.
The students who are acting have been warned as were their parents, right?
So put the language warning in the playbill and outside the theater.

Just like at the movies.

Fuck all this "Oh I'm offended" shit.

*note* this post is R rated for language.

rage
02-03-2003, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by MrsKol
Let's see, why don't we get rid of Shakespeare, Salinger, Sophocles,
Homer and the other classics. Can't have the kids thinking about how the classics are about everyman, the trials and tribulations, about sin and redemption, now can we. Now I guess hope does not spring eternal. (being very sarcastic, btw)

Actually, MrsKol, they have (in some areas at least tried). <a href="http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top100bannedbooks.html" target="_new">This</a> link you may find interesting, and disgusting...

It is the top 100 most frequently challenged books of 1990-2000.

Here are a few that upset me:

5. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
6. Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
13. The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
41. To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
69. Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
70. Lord of the Flies by William Golding

SatansLeftHand
02-03-2003, 02:57 AM
in the republic of south africa, under apartheid, "black beauty" was a banned book.

go figger.

Billyman
02-03-2003, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by Uberwonder
It is also the proper name for a female dog. Why isn't that listed?

....I looked up it's meaning to see what it "means" in today's language.

I took for granted that everyone knew it's actual meaning. I was targeting the slang as we all know it. ;)

But for your viewing pleasure...............

bitch [ bich ]
noun (plural bitch·es)

1. zoology female dog: a female dog, or the female of another related animal, for example, the fox, or another carnivore, for example, the ferret.

Uberwonder
02-03-2003, 01:06 PM
I think both sexes of ferrets should be called bitches. Nasty, bitey, smelly little shits that they are.

Barbie
02-03-2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by rage
Actually, MrsKol, they have (in some areas at least tried). <a href="http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top100bannedbooks.html" target="_new">This</a> link you may find interesting, and disgusting...

It is the top 100 most frequently challenged books of 1990-2000.

Here are a few that upset me:

5. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
6. Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
13. The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
41. To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
69. Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
70. Lord of the Flies by William Golding

YOU STOLE MY POST! ;)

The Color Purple was a banned book because of the lead characters "lesbianism"...
get over it.

MrsKol
02-03-2003, 10:32 PM
That is incredible. I haven't really kept up, but I do remember something about Huck Finn being banned. What kid didn't read Huck Finn and dream of summers floating down the river on a raft. Man!!!

Barbie
02-03-2003, 10:33 PM
For your viewing pleasure...and if you are offended, I apologize...

If educators knew of THIS dictionary, would computers be banned?

http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/English.html

bitch: * an oppressive woman, term has gained general acceptance in recent times; original terms refers to "female dog"

biatch: *variant of bitch, can be used to refer to a mail or a female, a friend or an enemy

Most of the words listed though: wow

Explainations of a Pearl Necklace, Nudger, glory hole...

YUM

ms. bing
02-04-2003, 12:15 AM
shortly after i graduated highschool, i saw an article in the paper about how they had banned "Uncle Tom's Cabin"
i was so pissed i couldnt even see to dial the phone to call and yell at them. fortunately, someone else was there to do it for me.
the school that i am currently observing in, and hope to one day work for, does not ban books. they send home notices to the parents and if they have a problem with the content they can choose to let their child read an alternate text for the same credit.
fuckin public school.

Solstice_Gray
02-04-2003, 05:35 AM
As a note from the theatre, Fuck play banning!


Some of the greatest plays I have seen I would not be allowed to tech or act for in my school due to inappropriateness and my company in general would not be allowed to perform for the same reasons. As it is, most of our plays are censored by the administration. I don?t think people realize the things their kids see at school each day. If a parent were to walk the halls of my school as a student for one day, I think his opinions of my friends, the general student body and I would forever change. If they heard the slander, cursing, general unkindness and crudity I think they would fully back a show as clean a Les Mes. About the only place where I would draw the line for school theatre is with a show like RENT. It may be one of the most moving productions I have ever seen but I truly think some students would not be able to handle some of the content, truly respect the lives of the characters and act to the full extent of the roles just because we do not have the life experience to do so.

End rant.

PB
02-04-2003, 04:20 PM
I don't banning should be done. Warning of the contents yes. Banning no... make a damn decision.. if you want to watch it. watch it. if you don't then don't bitch, just don't watch it.

i hate people somedays!

PB