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MAC

12-12-2002, 01:43 PM

I have alot of opinions that seem obtuse or closed minded...but rest assured, they probably are. They all come based on my own personal experience and I'd LOVE to see things go the other way. However, there are no living examples of it anywhere around me. (Kinda like living in the suburbs and looking for someone who uses their rifle on a regular basis as a tool for their way of life...slim pickins)

I have learned the following about dope:
1) its affect (chemically) on the body is different than that of alcohol
2) its affect, personally, (addictive properties, removal of sound judgement, damage to the body) isn't any worse than alcohol
3) ppl who do dope sooner or later do something worse and those ppl who do/sell worse shit on a regular basis are NO ONE I want to be around. (I should note: I don't enjoy going out into public and being around strangers who are drunk either)

every person who ever said "hey man I just smoke some dope...I don't do that other stuff" eventually had folks at their house who DID do other stuff. I sorta avoid them folks. I have had my fill of crank heads and stupid chics on acid just so i could hang out with a "friend" who smokes dope.
(I should mention that ppl who eat mushrooms seem to be the most careful about WHERE they do it. But some ppl will do anything and then leave the house)

now, the previous point aside, my personal decision to limit my physical acquaintance with dope smokers stems from the following:
You call a friend in the middle of the night cause you NEED something. Its an EMERGENCY. The friend is HIGH, gets confused easily, and in the end is now pissed cause you want them to come help you. They find someway to justify telling you to fuck off. But every two weeks the dope smoker has some petty problem that THEY CAUSED while trying to get high and they never fail to call you for help. Then they LIE. "NO, I was just turning around here....250 yards off the road behind these tanks with this kid who always has some dope to sell."
gee...I'm glad you didn't mention NOT sucking his dick for it, cause I know your no-job ass ain't got no MONEY...thats why you need me to fill your shit up AFTER I pull it out of the pasture.

Now, these are, without fail, the exact characteristics of every habitual dope smoker I ever met.
There are ppl who TRUELY smoke recreationally...you don't know who they are...cause they don't shoot their mouths off about it.
Kudos to those ppl.
Now the kids who can't shut up about the dope they smoke, the acid they drop and the liquor they consume are easy to avoid.
The other night I stopped in a place that said "bar & grill" to get food and have a beer. It turns out is a BAR that makes finger food so they can keep their liquor license in the city. So be it. It was filled with gorgeous 21+years old girls who all smoked, drank and couldn't shut up about their dope habits.
Finally, a girl old enough to take out for dinner and a drink.....and she's gonna get the fuckin DEA on my ass.
Well FUCK that, the next time I go to jail it'll be for another weapons violation.

I had forgotten that when kids get out of their parents house the first thing they do is OPENLY smoke dope and get drunk. (They did it at home but they hid it)
Know what the first thing I did was? I bought kool-aid
all I could stand...I had a GALLON in the fridge all the fuckin time.

Anyway, I have developed a terrible personal bias towards dope heads specifically. The ppl I KNOW who drink are all easily dealt with. Luckily for them, they all binge. They go through a time when all they DO is smoke dope, drink and party. then they burn out and clean up and get a real job. What a fuckin sucker-life. See you in church reverande joint-roller, fuckin hypocrit, over did it at 20 and couldn't live with the guilt at 30. You ain't teaching anyone anything by telling them how much fuckin speed you did asshole. They can see your rotten tooth grin and 4 kids by 3 different whores. Then mr clean shirt redneck man can talk about how much dope he smoked as a kid and have a fist fight with his son when he comes home stoned. So I knew kids who binged for several years and are now pretty clean. The sad thing is they all-or-nothign themselves and lend to everything I hate about dope smokers. The stuff I just described is based on those years of abuse, when you can't count on a friend because their only friend is the guy who gets them a bag.

I don't smoke dope, I don't care who does. But what I've seen growing up makes me ill. (Sorta like my take on cigarettes huh?)

I should mention that every friend I ever had except the one friend I still have smoked it whenever they could get it or where raging drunks...and they ALL smoked cigs except the absolute worst of the druggies...

......is it any wonder I haven't done anything greater with my life?

*MAC trys very hard to find an exception what he just typed*

goddam, I am all alone in the basic characteristics I myself show.

thats another thread

welp, time to get back to my $per hour job...

Koliedrus

12-12-2002, 01:59 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/12/11/school.pot/index.html

PORT ST. LUCIE, Florida (CNN) -- Two third-graders at a Florida elementary school are facing felony charges Wednesday after police said they were found to have 15 plastic bags of marijuana.

I have stories (yes, I inhaled) but DAMN! That's just way too young.

For the record, I quit right around the time a dime stopped being a ten-dollar-purchase.

Yup! Getting old here. Liking it, too :)

If you're reading this, I wish you the same.

Venus

12-12-2002, 02:05 PM

Wow MAC, you sure hit the nail on the head about this one. Everyone who has ever smoked pot is a horrible person. They're bad friends, they have not goals, they never have any money cause they all use it all for pot. Every pot smoker will do something worse (please define worse), and none of them can be trusted for anything.
Pardon me while I say you are so full of shit. I have been friends with some pot smokers, and I'm sorry your expierences have always been so bad. Not every pot smoker does it any chance they get. Not every pot smoker only hangs out with people who will get him a bag. Not ever pot smoker will blow off friends, work, dreams, and goals to get high. I know exactlly what brought this up, and you are so wrong in your generalization it's almost sickening. Congratulations on being so perfact that you can judge someone on something they've done in moderation in their life. Yes, there are the potheads that care about nothing but getting high. But damn MAC, not everyone who has ever smoked pot is like that.
Fuck! According to your hollier-than-though attitude, opinions, and judgments, I'm must be Satan! Lord have mercy on my soul because I drink (in bars no less), I smoke ciggaretts, I've smoked pot a couple times in my life (so now don't you dare try to count on me for anything....cause I don't care about you if you don't get me a dime bag), and I'd hate to think of your judgment on me for having sex before marriage.

SimpleSimon

12-12-2002, 03:46 PM

Mac, by and large you are perfectly correct. Especially you are correct in your assessment:

There are ppl who TRUELY smoke recreationally...you don't know who they are...cause they don't shoot their mouths off about it.

I grew up in such a household, and have a brother who maintains such habits. I have never known an alcoholic who could be relied upon for anything over the long term. I have known lots of DRINKERS who were utterly reliable, unless drunk. In the part of the world I grew up in there were (are) a hell of a lot of transplanted Okies who moved there in the Depression, and large numbers of them were discrete, careful, responsible pot smokers. The same can be said for the same generation of Okies who stayed in Oklahoma (and Kansas, North Texas, Arkansas, etc.).

Venus - Mac's statements were general, in response to the words of others, not just yourself. Drop the drama, it serves you ill.

Smug Git

12-12-2002, 05:14 PM

Dope should be banned because stoned people are so fucking boring to talk to. Jesus, they are.

12-12-2002, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by SimpleSimon

Venus - Mac's statements were general, in response to the words of others, not just yourself. Drop the drama, it serves you ill.

I'm gonna have to agree here...
He is entitled to his opinion.. just as you are yours... I've never seen you jump down someone like that.. and to be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed. everything you just said to him.. kind of contradicts.. everything you just said! hope ya caught that.

andyways.. on the subject...

I think your right MAc for the most part... I once upon a time, smoke pot.. everyday.. it was called.." college" :) When I did it, I didn't talk about it.. other than with the people who were passing me the joint.. other than that.. I never said a word about it.. tried to be as cool with it as possible.. I may say something about it now from time to time.. but it's because I do not do it anymore. And haven't in almost 6 years. If I did.. you would n't hear anything about it out of my mouth.. just the way I do things..

I will however say.. i do not think that all people who smoke dope.. are undependable.. as when it was me.. i could call my friend.. and she was always right there.. high or not... but i could call my boyfriend at the time.. and would sometimes get that excuse.. "but I'm high val, I can't come over right now" . so i have seen both sides of that fence.

But I can say that I never got into anything else either... no other drugs.. and i didn't drink alot either. I think that alcohol and marijuana have different affects on a person.. but my thought on both... it's about limits.. and knowing where yours are.. about moderation.. and things of that nature.

Pot... is not as dangerous to you, as alot of other things... it doesn't rot your liver... of course as with any drug.. too much of it can mess up your brain..

I don't do it.. haven't in years... (yes I smoke cigarettes) but I can honestly say... i have never not "been there" for someone.. high or otherwise.. but that is probably more about just who Iam.. not what pot did to me.. ya know..

these are my thoughts.. responsibility - moderation - and your own choice.. on what you want to do...

V.

Venus

12-12-2002, 05:41 PM

Ok, not trying to bring drama. Just my thoughts on his post. He came off as rather lecturing, and knowing what spawned it, it's hard to not take it personal.

Now, PB, you said he was right, you agreed with him as he stated that pot smokers aren't reliable. How can you agree with it if you smoked pot, yet were always there for your friends? Doesn't that contradict? I jumped down his throat because he made the generalization. I know he wasn't talking about just my happenings last night (which by the way, he came to my work today and paid me more than he owed me), but his generalization was still wrong. Apparently I'm the only person who has/had friends that do smoke pot if offered, but will still be there if I need them. Last night, if I had said "hey, I really need that money tonight. I'm runing on fumes, and I just don't have any money to get the gas I need to make it to work" he would have been over right away with it. All of my friends would weither they smoke pot or not. That's why his generalization is wrong. That's why it upsets me. Not to mention since I have smoked pot in my lifetime, and probably will again before I die, it puts me in that generalization too. And that offends me.

MAC

12-12-2002, 05:56 PM

While I was writn gothers wher eposting. so I'll hit the key words again

EXCESS
HABITUAL
BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE
MOST
I CHOOSE

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Venus, dear I am NOT attacking you.
I am NOT judgeing you.
I did however bring this over as result of you bringing it up last evening and being reminded of every experience I ever had with ppl who smoke dope.
I didn't say anything then because there was no way to say
"I think" without getting that very defensive rebutal in chat where i can't explain anything I think.

but you gave it to me anyway.
thats cool. its your opinion.

but you seriously need to reread what I wrote without being mad first.

I mean how many n times do I have to say
"BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE"

I don't have a degree, no doctorate, just my opinion.
I am not mad at any of YOU or anything you believe.
I don't care if you smoke dope.
I've know a LOT of dope smokers. I have NEVER smoked dope.
But I drink. I don't smoke cigarettes but I smoke cigars.
Infact I could swear I noted that the same ppl who went to excess with dope also drank to excess and did other drugs.
Did you miss the part where I noted that dope is NOT the cause but I consider it a good indicator. Or the part about "binging"?

I purposely made this post to NOT seem arrogant and holier-than-thou
I purposely humble myself with almost all of my opinions around here despite how I may actually have to act in my life, because MY LIFE IS NOT REPRESNTATIVE OF EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.
Yet occasionally I get told I am being arrogant.

There once was a fellow around here who skipped the part where he tryed to show a little understanding of everyone elses POV and jumped right to why his view was the right view. Regardless how many times he was right sooner or later we are all wrong.
And humility is all we have in those times.

So today I said what I thought awaiting the undoubted reprisal.
I think I said it quiet well.
After rereading your post you have echoed everything I said, except you gave not ONE instance to disprove the things I quoted from my own life.

Now, whenever I get aggrivated or excited about something I read here I get asked "Why do you give a shit what some guy on the internet says?"

Well I do care. Its that time of year.
Lots of us get stressed and need a break instead of more shit at the holidays. And many of us (myself included) can act like assholes.

Venus, you've been mad at me since the "why did you date before your divorce was final" thread

And thou you all pretty evenly stated 'because I found someone worth being with' almsot all of you get terribly defensive and attacked the notion that "I didn't want to be alone' Instead of just saying that wasn't it.
While everyone does apretty good job of telling their stories and showing their unique situations no one ever addresses their fears in these threads. They defend against things implied.

Well, all I said was "I have had terrible luck with ppl who smoke dope"
and "I haven't been able to find anyone who didn't date before their divorce was final"

I haven't had this kinda reaction since I said I don't like smokers.

Well its the holidays and my mood is pissy anyway.
Expect more (more subtle) commentary on the things that really bug me. But sooner or later it'll be back to inter-active action sequences equating the internet to a house or sumthin.

My lunch is gettin cold. No hard feelins. :)

Venus

12-12-2002, 06:10 PM

MAC, I'm not mad at you about the dating before divorce is final thread. I'm not gonna hold a gruge about it, nor about this thread, nor the smoker thread. But please do explaine to me how you're not generalization about all pot smokers here....

Originally posted by MAC

those ppl who do/sell worse shit on a regular basis are NO ONE I want to be around. (I should note: I don't enjoy going out into public and being around strangers who are drunk either)

every person who ever said "hey man I just smoke some dope...I don't do that other stuff" eventually had folks at their house who DID do other stuff.

now, the previous point aside, my personal decision to limit my physical acquaintance with dope smokers stems from the following:
You call a friend in the middle of the night cause you NEED something. Its an EMERGENCY. The friend is HIGH, gets confused easily, and in the end is now pissed cause you want them to come help you. They find someway to justify telling you to fuck off. But every two weeks the dope smoker has some petty problem that THEY CAUSED while trying to get high and they never fail to call you for help. Then they LIE. "NO, I was just turning around here....250 yards off the road behind these tanks with this kid who always has some dope to sell."
gee...I'm glad you didn't mention NOT sucking his dick for it, cause I know your no-job ass ain't got no MONEY...thats why you need me to fill your shit up AFTER I pull it out of the pasture.

Now, these are, without fail, the exact characteristics of every habitual dope smoker I ever met.

There are ppl who TRUELY smoke recreationally...you don't know who they are...cause they don't shoot their mouths off about it.
(just as my own personaly comment..I know people who have done it once or twice and are so proud of that they always talk about it back to mac)

I had forgotten that when kids get out of their parents house the first thing they do is OPENLY smoke dope and get drunk. (They did it at home but they hid it)
(uh, no really I didn't, and neither did my best friend, my boyfriend, or any of the other friends I have)

The stuff I just described is based on those years of abuse, when you can't count on a friend because their only friend is the guy who gets them a bag.

I should mention that every friend I ever had except the one friend I still have smoked it whenever they could get it or where raging drunks...and they ALL smoked cigs except the absolute worst of the druggies...

Cruise Director

12-12-2002, 06:48 PM

I had a room mate for about 5 years that was a pot smoker. It used to frustrate him that I would never try the stuff and still never have. I've done acid and shrooms but never pot. Apparently I missed a step.

Anyway, this guy smoke a lot of pot. He's the only guy I know that had his dealer come to HIM. *knock,knock,knock* "Well that's either a pizza or a dime bag." He functioned well in college and now works for the government. He still uses recreationally. I was around his habit for over 5 years and have ascertained the following:

1.) Some of his friends just used pot. Some graduated to harder drugs.

2.) I would rather ride in a car where the driver is high on pot than I would with a drunk driver.

3.) 1 pound of pot takes a HUGE ziploc bag.

4.) Pot pipes emptied out in my houseplants produced funny little weeds in them.

5.) Pot smokers are the most creative fuckers on the planet. They can build a pipe or a bong out of anything around the house.

I never have tried pot. My parents are cigarette smokers and the thought of purposely inhaling any kind of smoke has always baffled me.

I really tend to think that the drug is not the problem. It's the user and their tolerances and habits.

3MTA3

12-12-2002, 07:02 PM

Marijuana legalization would solve all of this...I still dont see how a person can take Ambien, Prozac, Stackers and a whole bag of 'herbal suppliments' daily but the second he uses drugs specifically for the purpose of feeling good(high) as opposed to feeling right(medicated) its a no-no...fuck that...liberty bitch...give me some(not that Id take advantage of it because I just dont like pot any longer, but still...I want the option without criminal penalties attatched).

As for your experience with potheads and drug users in general...well, sure...some people just suck. You should draw clearer boundaries with these 'friends' who call on you for assistance...good luck, and please, dont equate a persons negative traits to their drug use...while their use may be an influence on their behavior, it was prompted by their personality in the first place...basically, they would prolly be the same if they didnt use, just not high.

12-12-2002, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Venus
Now, PB, you said he was right, you agreed with him as he stated that pot smokers aren't reliable. How can you agree with it if you smoked pot, yet were always there for your friends? Doesn't that contradict? I jumped down his throat because he made the generalization. I know he wasn't talking about just my happenings last night (which by the way, he came to my work today and paid me more than he owed me), but his generalization was still wrong. Apparently I'm the only person who has/had friends that do smoke pot if offered, but will still be there if I need them. Last night, if I had said "hey, I really need that money tonight. I'm runing on fumes, and I just don't have any money to get the gas I need to make it to work" he would have been over right away with it. All of my friends would weither they smoke pot or not. That's why his generalization is wrong. That's why it upsets me. Not to mention since I have smoked pot in my lifetime, and probably will again before I die, it puts me in that generalization too. And that offends me.

Well actually.. this is what I said "I will however say.. i do not think that all people who smoke dope.. are undependable.. as when it was me.. i could call my friend.. and she was always right there.. high or not... but i could call my boyfriend at the time.. and would sometimes get that excuse.. "but I'm high val, I can't come over right now" . so i have seen both sides of that fence. "

And I don't think he was 100% right on everything.. but for the majority of it.. yeah I agree with him.. but i think you must have read it wrong because i said "i do NOT think that all people who smoke dope are undependable". But that's fine too...

I was there in part of the conversation about your situation.. I agree that he should have brought you the money before smoking or doing anything else... but not because of pot smoking.. but because he's your man.. he should put you before such things... but that's my opinion... what you think about it is up to you! I say that because i been there done that.. as posted above.. when my ex did it.. he wou ldn't come sometimes because he was "smoking dope" and that was the reason.

V.

Mudflap

12-12-2002, 10:56 PM

My biggest problem with dope is the fact that is has produced a whole subculture that thinks the Grateful Dead actually made good music.

Billyman

12-12-2002, 11:04 PM

Whoa there Venus, dear, muffin, sugar nipples.

You either read really way to deep into what theMac has said or skipped over a few parts instead.

There are ppl who TRUELY smoke recreationally...you don't know who they are...cause they don't shoot their mouths off about it.

What I gather from this statement is that although he doesn't condone it, he accepts it and for the most part, "ok" with it. He just doesn't want to be involved in it.

These people he speaks of are people just like you, or me for that matter, I can admit to smoking a passed around joint maybe twice a year (literally). Although he'd rather me not do any of it at all, I don't think he's going to put me on his "ignore list" because of it.

MAC

12-13-2002, 12:10 AM

"But please do explaine to me how you're not generalization about all pot smokers here...."
...because I am speaking of every person I have dealt with. I don't know who you know. And this is 99.99% of every dope smoker I ever met. I am also speaking of ppl in the midst of a habit, not ppl who smoked dope once upon a time.
Now let me relieve some stress (or at least get to its heart) by laying out the following:

Lets say that the US Gov't pulls its collective head out of its political ass and realises that the usage of the criminal justice system to deal with something that is nothing but a public health issue (ie: ILLEGAL drugs) is ludacris. They legalise drugs, let legal companies begin to manufacture and disrtibute things like pot and the fed just inspects to mak esure they didn't spray it with something to kill you. Thus the consumer now has an option over something made who knows where that could very well kill you. Now Some middle eastern leader decides thats the last straw of american decadance and raises a huge army and attacks us. The texas Militia pulls up at my house and yells "get your guns and get in the truck"
I am already packed.
Its my duty to protect YOUR right to do drugs if you CHOOSE. (Just as its my right to have a drink or a smoke)

Yet....lets say you are my neighbor down the street. I NOTICE that you smoke pot and CHOOSE not to acquaint myself with you....that my choice. I didn't stop you from going to church. Or saying "I enjoy smoking pot" I made a choice based on my beliefs about MYSELF.

Yet there you sit thinking that I hate you. Thinking that I judge you. Thinking that I feel superior to you. You are now proliferating the very paranoid nature that is already stereotyped with pot-heads. I should mention that as soon as I made friends who wanted to smoke pot and I said "no thanks" I got that shit. "why not? Its no different than alcohol. There's nothing wrong with it." As you may well know about anti-christians, nothing is more defensive than some one who expects to be attacked. All I said was "I don't want any"
Then "they" wanna know why.....

Let me wrap it up with my answer to a question that someone out there is thinking right now

Q: MAC, if you met a really nice girl who shared alot of your interests and was beautiful and intelligent, sweet and kind, had a job and her own car, etc. And you went out with her a couple times and really fell for her and then she asked if you wanted to smoke dope with her what would you do?

A: well....I'm not really sure
In my heart I believe that any women I find who shares enough in common with me to get along with me wouldn't do that. But everyone makes their own decisions. Obviously everything else is ok and she has totally blown the stereotype I have built over the last 15 years. And its obviously not a addiction or excessive habit. It certainly doesn't erase all her good qualities.
However as soon as I say "I don't want any. I don't smoke dope" she MAY do exactly what you did, get offended.
If she can handle me NOT smoking it then I have to deal with whether I can live with her doing it. I gotta tell you, my gut says no way. I can't live with myself living with her. Over somethign as stupid as dope.

Hate that as you will, but its my life and I decide who I let in it. That was the point of this thread.

You do whatever you like, thats your right, but don't walk around thinking that everyone has to approve of it.
Thats their right.

mute

12-13-2002, 03:39 AM

I smoke weed, pretty consistantly too. And you just mocked me and assumed a lot of things about me. Well that's what I got from it. You based your assumptions on every dope smoker.

I won't go into it on too broadly because I'm just as much paranoid as you, but I'll go into it personally. I was stupid as a kid, I got high. I thought it was fun at first, and just go used to it. I became half retarded and became lazy. Yea, it was probably the dope, but that was the past. I work a lot of hours at school now and I get good marks, does that count as working hard 9-5?

I also understand when you say you hate people who brag about it. I don't brag about it though. I may bring up something that involved drugs or ALCOHOL, if the conversation permits it. So say, "I hate people who brag about it". Instead of, "Now, these are, without fail, the exact characteristics of every habitual dope smoker I ever met".

I've seen you say you were drinking before, that's considered BRAGGING about it. You seem so leanient on drunks. Wow, can you believe THAT?

MAC

12-13-2002, 04:51 AM

"(I should note: I don't enjoy going out into public and being around strangers who are drunk either)"

you gotta be kiddin me mute?
from stats page for bad mojo: "Has been kicked out 126 times"

Did I, anywhere, say the DOPE CAUSE THE SHIT I DON'T LIKE?
DID I?

re read the very thing you quoted
"Now, these are, without fail, the exact characteristics of every habitual dope smoker I ever met".

tell you what
ya'll start telling me stories about the great ppl you know who smoke dope and I'll start telling my stories about assholes who insisted on makeing dope the focal point of their life.
In the end neither of us has proven one thing about the pot as a causative agent.
But I'm anxious to hear ya'lls storys about these great ppl you know who smoke dope the way I just described....over and over and over

and leave out the ppl who are cool about it cause I already acknowledged them...despite the fact I have never met them.

jeezus mute, all you have done for two years is cry about how SHITTY all your dope smoking friends are
who stole from your dad in your house?
who hangs out at your house all the time like they live there?
what do they all want?
all I've seen you post ABOUT dope so far has been really fuckin shitty stuff that makes me NOT want it around me

wtf?

are ya'll telling me that I live in the only place on earth where almost every kid between 16 and 26 who's not a jesus crispy is lookin for a buzz every time the sun goes down? (alcohol or drugs)
am I at the epicenter of ppl who can't resist drugs and alcohol in mass quantities just because they want it?

welcome to planet earth
here's your cigarettes, your beer and your dope. do it as frequently as possible cause there's nothing else you'll ever want to do.

that how it feels guys
1 fucking friend after 20 years cause everyone else wants to indoctrinate me to their religion or get me to smoke dope like them

is that how it works?
jesus or pot?

fuck you

Venus

12-13-2002, 06:18 PM

I get it, I'm wrong. He didn't generalize anything. All those times he used the phrase "every pot smoker" or just plane "every" was not generalizing at all, because he can only talk about the people he knows. So basically, no one ever generalizes anything. I get it. I'm just a parinoid pot smoker (even though I've done it 3-4 times in my life). I get it, when he said pot smokers are no one he wants to hang around, he really ment that he'd hang around with them, just not smoke the pot.
Yes MAC, you must live in the only place where it's jesus or pot. It's deffinitly not like that here. You wanna smoke pot go ahead. If you don't, don't do it. If someone really cares about weither or not you smoke pot with them....yeah, don't hang around them. But don't assume everyone does that. (I know I know, he wasn't assuming anything...no generalizing....just those he knows....)

ms. bing

12-13-2002, 06:29 PM

ok, hold on. everyone seems to be getting grouped up like this is a football game or some such shit, the stoners vs. the squares. im going to give a relatively professional opinion, ok? and i feel qualified to give it because for 3 years i lived with and was married into one of the largest marijuana dealing "incorporations" in one of the largest cities in texas. we were almost exclusive, with everyone either getting thier stuff from us, from someone we sold to, or from the person we got it from. ive experienced the gamut of pot smokers, and let me tell you, there are a few kinds and i can pick em out of a crowd at 200 paces.[list=1]
the older, previously experienced, i quit for years and do it now just once in a while to relax smoker. this person is professional, used to do this and harder drugs, quit for years while building themselves professionally and financially, and now are within 10 to 15 years of retirement and like to sit around on particularly nice saturday afternoons and smoke a joint while drinking a scotch. they prefer housecalls.

the college kid whose parents would kill them if they found out, so they dont keep it but will do it if its around, and seek out places where its around. these are the people you cant get out of your house after finals week. they also tend to drink heartily, if not heavily, after finals week and will do other drugs like, say, x at a rave on new years or something.

the enhancement smoker. this person may smoke daily or once in a while, depending on what their schedule is, but they always smoke pot and then do stuff. sometimes its watch tv or a movie, sometimes its go to the beach or lake, sometimes its go play frisbee golf or kayak, whatever it is, they dont see the point of just sitting around smoking pot, but they may smoke almost as frequently as someone who does. this person is more likely to be into the outdoors and lead an active lifestyle, and usually only their close friends know they smoke, because they dont talk about it. these people will come to your house to get it, but they wont smoke with you unless theyre about to go do something, and then theyll probably smoke with you and invite you to go too.

the spoiled rich kid constant smoker. these folks are obnoxious. they are 10 times more likely to bitch about the price and quality than anyone else you deal with, and theyll always try to get out of paying you cod. however, unless you let them get away with that shit once, in which case theyll never stop doing it, they usually pay cash in full every time, and somtimes they get alot. they are also most likely to try to start selling to little fucking highschool kids, which can get you busted, so squash that shit as soon as it starts by telling them you could only get them a pound that one time. they will also beg you to bring it to them, but say, only between the hours of 4am and 6am. you tell them to fuck off and come over, so they do, they leave people in the car, and they only stay five minutes, which makes your neighbors real nervous. its best to keep this person on a regular schedule, like the pre-schooler of pot smoking. also, these kids will do whatever drugs are socially acceptable at the time and plenty of them.

the down on their luck pot fiend. these people make you feel sorry for them and then prove they are annoying by not paying you or trying to trade shit for dope. these are the kind mac knew almost exclusively, and i know this. they always have problems and thats why they need the dope, because they had such a shitty day and they just cant deal with so-and-so, and can they please pay you when they get their check on friday. its amazing when you sell pot how many of these you get. you practically have to threaten to break these peoples legs to get them to pay. and they smoke like fucking freight trains, theyll sit there with you when they come over and smoke as much as youll smoke with them, but not out of their own bag, or theyll throw in a tiny little nuggie to try and look like theyre not looking for handouts. these people often do and deal in other, harder drugs, and by harder drugs i mean coke, heroin, and narcotic pills like xanex or vicodin. they obtain these drugs pretty much the same way, or with the pills they will steal them from someone with a script, and try to trade them to you for the pot. i hated dealing with these fuckers, so if you tell them you only deal in large quantity youll see them alot less, because they figure theyll never be able to afford a quarter pound.

youll notice i havent mentioned the casual smoker. those people do exist, but they buy so infrequently i would only see them like once a year on their birthdays. usually they were the friend of someone i dealt to regularly who maybe used to do it a little more frequentlly, now hardly does it at all except for extremely rare occassions. these people often have children, and dont want anyone to know they smoke once in a while, so they expect absolute confidentiality and will either come to your house for a breif visit or send someone else after it. now i knew lots of enhancement smokers who claimed to be this, but smoked a little too often. these people were usually tech people, teachers, or worked in some branch of middle management. they always asked about price ahead of time and paid in full.[/list=1]
i hope ive about covered it. most of the people mac knew were the down on their luck smokers and i can see why he has this opinion. in larger cities there are more types, and also, he may work with or know people who are the casual, once a year smoker and not know about it, because these people dont talk about it at all. if ive missed a large group let me know, but ill bet once you stop deluding yourself and deal with it honestly youll realize you fall into one of these groups.

mute

12-13-2002, 06:37 PM

Alright, I admit I was out for an argument. Please don't let this get in the way of us getting along in the near future. I just took what you said as an attack on every weed smoker. I'll agree a lot of dope smokers suck, like me. I never complained about the ones who smoke it and that I'm O.K. with because, well, I had nothing to complain about. You have to admit something though, have I complained recently? No. (except for incident, and that was a year ago, and I didnt complain about. I stated how it made me really fucking mad)

And by the way, all those said stolen things you might know of are all blamed on one person now. And there's no doubt in my mind my other friends I complained about are as bad as that. But, they are my friends, and you eventually complain about your friends in one form or another.

I agree with one thing you say (atleast what I think you meant), that a lot of people who smoke weed are stupid and let it effect them. I did letit effect me, but not anymore. I know one great person who smokes it, enough said.

I don't put it before my dreams, I let it help them. As twisted as that might sound.

After reading bing's reply I totally agree with her. If you'd like me to try and classify myself as one or the other, I'd say I'm an enhancement smoker. But really, I hate these arguments because it seems to be just a matter of opinion. I never complain about price or quality, I'm the casual hard drug user(well used to be), I tried selling once(just to my friends), and I only feel I NEED to smoke it when I'm watching a movie or playing a video game.

I have a feeling this is just gonna get us into ripping our heads off even more. To make this easier,

*passes the joint to someone who wants it, cracks a beer for someone who wants one or doesn't give either if someone doesn't want em*

I ever met
*smacks forehead*

D'oh! Still, you called me worthless (or something along those lines), you rat-bastard! I apologize for the previous repsonse, and I still wub you ;)

Jesus(or religion), now that's a whole different argument. Wouldn't you agree?

12-13-2002, 06:47 PM

Damn Bing... I know atleast one person in every group. or at one point did, let's put it that way.

I don't think that mac should have to justify his opinion here.. keep on truckin mac.... I've had a damn good laugh... and some good and bad memories while this thread has been alive.... please strike up another... i love to see panties in a wad.. seriously.. i do. keep bringing it on... cause i think.. opinions.. are just that. opinions! based upon an experience, an idea, or just for the hell of saying it to see what people will say back.

Oh and btw Cathy - thanks for the laugh on the break down.. i think i'm gonna have to call and check on a few old friends now...

V.

Koliedrus

12-13-2002, 08:17 PM

This may not be accurate but I'll say it anyway.

You find me a mind-altering drug that increases your overall potential and I'll buy you a coke errsoda
Pop soda-pop cola

Ah, fuck it. I'll give you a dollar. Use it to roll a joint if that's your goal.

SASE SVP via PGP

MAC didn't intend to attack. He made an observation. Offense seems to have been taken but the confessions weren't required. Informative, indeed. I'm reminded of times far behind me. They're they will stay. Well, maybe a leak or three. Depends. (laugh now)

I don't know of any alcs or stoners who "made it". I don't know what "it" is.

Do what you do and learn on your own. Failure is an option. You're still free to make the choice.

Billyman

12-13-2002, 10:43 PM

I LOVE EVERYBODY!

laure311

12-13-2002, 11:12 PM

my brother smokes pot and is always telling me not to. damn he sets such a good example... *cough* not *cough*. let's see... he yelled at me when i told him i had drinken once. so ofcourse i didn't tell him when i got so fucking drunk i couldn't hold my head over the toilet and i was passed out for an hour. see, you learn from these mistakes! ESPECIALLY this young. i have vowed to NEVER drink again. NEVER EVER. that one won't be hard to keep, because i puke now, every time i am around alchohol. just the smell reminds me of my two-day hangover and constant puking and dry heaving.

anyways, back to this dope thing. my brother- he's a senior. he has yet to apply to even ONE college, and just took the SAT's last weekend. he has no idea what he wants to do with his life. but it kills me to know that he's headed down the wrong path because he is really a great person.. he's sooo incredibly nice and caring towards me now that we are both older. there is no longer any bickering. i absolutely love that. but then i think, he's headed nowhere and he doesn't deserve that. i wish he never got caught up with his crowd- they're holding him back and nothing good can come of this. that hurts. i can't fully explain it.

this guy i know, i went out with him a little while ago, and he tried to quit smoking weed for me. it was the sweetest thing... but he couldn't do it. i could have sworn he told me that it wasn't physically addictive, just mentally. anyways, he tried, but he failed. and i hated being around him or talking to him while he was high. anyway, my point is that he, as well, does not care in the least where he ends up- as far as his future goes. all he cares about right now is getting high. surprisingly, however, his grades in school are not so bad.

the end...

Billyman

12-13-2002, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by laure311
*snipage*

Somewhere in your post, you have deeply offended bad-mojo and Venus I'm sure.

Go to your room.

laure311

12-14-2002, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Billyman

Somewhere in your post, you have deeply offended bad-mojo and Venus I'm sure.

Go to your room.

*goes to room*

yea, what i did was i first read MAC's first post, and then immediately replied so as not to forget anything i had to say. and i'm sorry if i offended anyone. but, i still stand by everything i've said in my post because, if i read correctly in the other replies, some people said basically that these are people's opinions, based on their experiences. :p

i found out that my brother doesn't smoke during the school year, so as not to screw over his grades even more so than he already is sure to. so that leads me to believe that you honestly can't judge "stoners" as a group... just because they've all made the same choice- to smoke weed- doesn't mean they're all generally the same. many are responsible enough to moderate their... pot-smokage... and will not do anything "worse" than weed, although it is a gateway drug. i know plenty of people who smoke pot but are afraid to try anything bigger because they are aware of how dangerous it is.

...lost my train of thought.

MAC

12-14-2002, 12:13 AM

I understand venus's anger and I understand mute's POV also.
and since its highly unlikely I will ever be in charge of telling them what to do I will go ahead and make this point

my arguement is the weakest kind.
its solely based on my personal opinion which has formed and been hardened by defensive posturing for over a decade and I can honestly say my predjudice is so strong that love couldn't overcome it

but I tell you that I live with it anyway.
It doesn't make me HATE you.
But you can't see that in this post can you?

so
consider all the other things I have written.
consider all the opinions I have given and all the points I have made

do I seem predjudiced?
you gotta admit I do...at the very least...a little bit
someone always finds me arrogant or patronising sooner or later

why do you think that is?

cause I'm white
lower middle income
30 with a mortgage, ex wife, kid,
half an education
gun owner, psuedo hunter
ambiguosly religous

hell, even humbling myself here with honesty is a farce to the skeptical reader

well, this is one of those posts where someone will leave thinking I think they are BAD.

and THAT is where predjudice lives and grows

BTW:
this sunday I will be helping a hardworking, family man (who has been known to smoke alot of dope...among other things) set up the PA and run the sound board for a concert in Tyler filled with drunk college kids, like I just described.

why?

because thats the circumstances I have to deal with to get to do this. I enjoy running sound almost as much as I did playing bass in a band.

so you just sit there and wonder what kinda hypocrite you have to be to spend hours in a bar with ppl you just said you hate

there is more to life than me, and I know that

MuffyTheVampyreLayer

12-15-2002, 05:44 PM

Interesting thread. I have mixed views on the whole pot smoking thing - I smoke occasionally (very) myself, but find it's not really worth the fog of slowness that tends to follow it for the next few days - it just slows down my brain too much.

I think it's not a bad thing in itself, but it effects people very differently and there are some people who just simply shouldn't smoke it. Other people I find are actually more pleasant to be around when stoned. From what I have observed it generally does decrease motivation and impair intellectual performance - but hey, far be it from me to decide whether or not you should be a lazy dumbass right?

I quite firmly believe it should be legalized however, not merely decriminalized, for prudential reasons and also because I think alcohol is actually worse than pot in terms of what it does to your mind/body and the social consequences.

mute

12-16-2002, 12:40 PM

I searched a lot to prove this, but it's really vague you probably won't believe me. It is said that if you smoke weed occasionally, like once every 2 weeks lets say, it actually helps you. Depending on the person probably, but it is said to help you be "smarter", so to speak. I actually think it helps the person be more out-going, and open to new thought.

Don't quote me on this (and I'm sure you won't). Lets just say it helps you. My friend told me about this. And this friend isn't my regular friend, more like an aqquaintance I've known since elementary. He's currently going to flight school and rarely smokes weed. He told me he read about a study that said that the smoking weed is more likely to help the occaisional smoker. But it is also more likely to, and I think actually does, hinder the chronic smoker.

I look at it like this. I've heard a glass of red wine a day actually helps you. Correct me on that if I'm wrong. Now I'm not saying that smoking a joint a day helps you, just trying to make what I'm saying make more sense. Which it probably doesn't :)

I just read the first page of this thread(except the first post), and realized I brought the same drama in this second page. That's just ill son :p Getting older is fun, it just sucks leaving behind that fun stupidity I used to love doing........... Okay I confess, I still like the stupidity on occasion.

My biggest problem with dope is the fact that is has produced a whole subculture that thinks the Grateful Dead actually made good music.
That made me laugh. These days it's rap music. But don't get me wrong, there is some good HIP HOP music.

Venus

12-16-2002, 02:36 PM

wow, where to start. I'm gonna have to open a new browser to remember what all to cut and paste! But that'll have to wait until later. So just off the top of my head....

Origionally posted by laure311anyways, back to this dope thing. my brother- he's a senior. he has yet to apply to even ONE college, and just took the SAT's last weekend. he has no idea what he wants to do with his life. but it kills me to know that he's headed down the wrong path because he is really a great person.. he's sooo incredibly nice and caring towards me now that we are both older. there is no longer any bickering. i absolutely love that. but then i think, he's headed nowhere and he doesn't deserve that. i wish he never got caught up with his crowd- they're holding him back and nothing good can come of this. that hurts. i can't fully explain it.
You can't nessissarily blame that on pot. The last time I smoked pot was new year's eve 2001-2002. Almost a year ago. I'm 21, been graduated highschool for 4 years, and I still don't know what I wanna do for the rest of my life. As a senior in highschool, I had smoked pot 2 maybe 3 times, and I didn't apply to a college, I didn't know what I wanted to do.

Origionally posted by BillymanSomewhere in your post, you have deeply offended bad-mojo and Venus I'm sure.

Go to your room.

That hurt Billy, that reallly hurt.

PB....I'm so glad that I could bring you such entertainment. Thank you for pointing out that MAC's entitled to his opinion on pot smokers, but I'm not entitled to my opinion on MAC's opinion (yes, I realize how stupid that sounds). I know MAC doesn't hate me because I smoked pot a couple times. The offense I took to his post comes from knowing what spawned the post in the first place. It came from the fact that his post basically said that I couldn't count on someone I care deeply about because he smoked pot. I probably wouldn't have taken offence to it had it come up today, or tomorrow. But it came up last week...right after a conversation in chat, and honestly, it really sounded like he was telling me I couldn't count of someone because they smoked pot. I know you think I was just some stoner looking for an argument. But you're wrong. I really don't like arguing on forums...seems someone always sticks by a friend of thier's no matter what they say....

Ok, so I think I covered just about everything I wanted to...maybe another browser wasn't needed.

MAC

12-16-2002, 03:41 PM

Venus, I did not mean that you couldn't count on him.
But your comments reminded me of something I was FINALLY isolated from(when I married)....and am now exposed to again(because I am single)

There is this type of person who ALWAYS hurts me when I love them and robs me when I trust them and lies to me why I listen to them and they all have one thing in common; they all consider dope to be the only thing they can do and have fun. Dope isn't WHY they are that kinda person, But I associate it with them to the point of avoidance.

well, gee how hard can this be? its a simple thing, you choose your friends, just choose ones that share all your interests and DON'T do a bunch of shit you disapprove of...

Now, I've said it over and over,
I DON'T CARE IF YOU SMOKE POT

But here I sit ONCE AGAIN unable to find anyone I truely like who does not smoke pot for fun. This upsets me and I look deeper....know what I find?
I can't find anyone who HASN'T smoked pot.
My very simple decision is proving to be quiet the bigoted ideal.
"not to smoke dope"
I am suddenly isolated from damned near everyone within 10 years +/- of my age that I have anything in common with

what the fuck is up with that?

I must be really goddamn strange
I like the same music
I have the same education
I make the same money
I am close to the same age
I am th esame color
our parents where the same religion
we grew up in the same area
we have the same IQ
but I do not fit in because I don't/won't smoke dope
and the only GROUP I find who chooses not to do/be around dope is the truely out-there christians

yeehaw

back home to my snakes

I am steadily re-learning all the lessons I had to learn by the time I was 19.

I do so well on my own and, truely, need so little from other ppl.
You would think that would make it very easy to get along and find friends

well it doesn't
it leaves me wondering why someone I like does something I TRUELY don't want to do

I wonder why we don't share this one silly little idea in common.
I wonder where the dope influence comes from that it didn't get me?

This is something that is really in my way.

I wonder why I choose not to do dope?
I wonder why all those other ppl can do it and I won't.
If I knew why I won't do it then I could find other ppl like me who don't do it for the same reasons

"I think its perfectly clear
I'm in the wrong band"
-tori amos

Uberwonder

12-17-2002, 04:30 PM

You could take that complaint and exchange the word 'pot' with a whole shitload of other words.
Alcohol
crack
cocaine
sports
meth
internet *cough*
etc

The story would require but little modification for each of those.

There are lots of things that people become obsessed with and lots of people to become obsessive.

3MTA3

12-17-2002, 07:09 PM

So fucking legalize the shit already mother fuckers, God damn...Im seriously tired of restrictive social policy like this...let me be free, opress the fucking brown skins or something...let Americans do what they want...

Escape Artist

12-17-2002, 07:15 PM

LEGALIZE MARIJUANA OR I KILL THE BUNNIES :mad:

Uberwonder

12-17-2002, 07:28 PM

Move to Canada. They are very close to doing just that.

Dingle

12-18-2002, 12:43 AM

I'll just chime in with my personal experience here...

When i was high-schoolish age (10ish years ago) i hung with about 15-20 people and all we did was smoke weed. every activity revolved around weed. we had jobs for the sole purpose of buying sacks.

Now, i'm 27. I havnt touched illegal drugs for over 5 years, but here's what I got out of it. While my classmates were graduating college I hadnt even considered college. While some of my classmates were already practicing doctors, I finally got my two-year associates degree. While most of my classmates have careers & houses & families I can barely pay rent on a studio apartment in the fucking ghetto. I was just denied a job for some stupid crimes i committed 7 years ago (to get money for weed, of course). I have 3 good friends left, the only 3 who quit smoking with me. They're in the same shoes as I am, theyve turned their life around but theyre still so behind in the rat-race it's pitiful. Out of the rest: 2 are dead, 1 is in prison for life, 1 is in prison for 15-20 years, 2 are in prison for the next 3 years, 1 has OD'd on coke twice, they all do coke regularly, and some are crackheads, tweakers & junkies, some are MIA, who knows what theyre fucking doing ATM, prllly dead, AND NONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE EVEN HAS A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA!

I'm thankful for the 3 friends I salvaged. Harmless drug? my ass. I don't care how the potheads want to defend it, i've seen the results, i've seen too many lives go down the drain because of pot. I've seen my own life dwindle for years on the rim of the drain because of pot. I honestly feel empathy for the potheads who fervently defend it, because I used to be them. Trust me, you dont want to realize when youre 24 years old your smoking your life away. It's too late to fix it at that point.

morgana

12-18-2002, 12:09 PM

<font color="lime">hm. i've read through this thread twice now, once when it was still only one page long, and now today in it's entirety. i find the kneejerk reaction by those who have smoked pot to be very interesting, considering that after people take the time to point out that their initial reaction was in error, they apologize and back off to their respective corners.

i would conclude two things from that: one, that there seems to be an unconscious guilt trigger any time someone says anything negative about your activity. and two...it seems that your perspective has been impaired enough by the drug so that you cannot read properly without the assistance of others.

and for the record...i agree with everything in the original post- those were the people i knew from high school, and that's why i don't hang out with them anymore. of course, that's based on MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (didn't want you guys to miss that part this time).</font>

Escape Artist

12-18-2002, 12:26 PM

My only opinions are these:

1) Substance abuse is pretty damned rampant no matter what the hell your poison of choice is. Pot, booze, nicotine, caffeine - to me it is all relative. Try to draw distinctions based on what's better than another and I will sit here and silently chuckle. Anything in moderation is usually ok - which is why we can drink beer, smoke cigars and have morning coffee without going overboard.

2) Blaming any substance for someone's behavior is like saying video games caused the Columbine massacre - it's ludicrous, narrowsighted and little more than a quick and easy reason to ostracize a group.

3) I think the fact that marijuana is illegal contributes to many problems you see - black market prices, unavailability, et al both increase demand and make said demand bad for society...see Dingle's reference to robbing houses for pot money. I rarely if ever see people committing crimes for cigs or booze. Furthermore, the fact that it's only accessible on the black market means a significantly larger chance you'll be exposed to other shit like coke, acid, et al. The lifestyle itself is the gateway, not smoking a fucking joint in your room and spacing out.

4) (see also #2) The people that get stoned are the same ones who like to get drunk, slack off, and generally do absolutely nothing with their lives. Take away one means, they'll undoubtedly find another escape. There's plenty of kids getting high off of the closest aerosol can of something.

Lastly, I'm addicted to nicotine and I drink more coffee in the morning than a lot would all day - I drink beer, I smoke pot, I cuss and call people fags; if that's what some of you wish to base your judgements of me on, so be it. I have no problems with that, aside from thinking it's somewhat retarded. I think a lot of you are quick to judge and slow to just accept that it's two sided and neither conclusion is wholly correct.

Just my opinion on the matter.

morgana

12-18-2002, 12:52 PM

<font color="lime">one: i completely agree that marijuana should be legal. i also agree that there are literally hundreds of other addictive substances that are legal and in wide use on a daily basis- caffeine, sugar, alcohol, etc.

however!

i never saw a 16 year old kid wake up, put on his pants, and shuffle off to the kitchen and crack open a beer to wake up on a daily basis. i have seen them roll up a joint and smoke it out their bedroom window while getting ready for school though.

the difference is absurdly simple too: kids overdo it on pot because they convince themselves that since it's not physically addictive like cigarrettes or sometimes even alcohol, and since it's not been overwhelmingly proven that it affects your motor skills to a degree that you can't function...that it's completely ok to do it all the time.

and again, that's been my experience with it, and my opinion.

two: something that people seem to forget a lot when they use the "but there are lots of other addictive substances out there" argument: when you're talking about something like sugar and caffeine, while they do have negative affects on your body with usage, they also have a positive affect as well. they wake you up. they make you alert. they give you energy.

how many pot smokers can say that smoking pot wakes them up and gets them ready for the day? how many can say that if they're feeling lethargic they can smoke a bowl and jump up and clean the house? not many.

i am more than willing to sit here and concede that there are most assuredly pot smokers out there who have done fantastic things with their lives, have families, and generally lead great lives.

i can also sit here with the same conviction and say that i am sure that there are alcoholics who have driven home drunk for years and never gotten into an accident.

think on that, ok?

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