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Billyman
11-05-2002, 11:40 PM
I can't believe this shit...stupid, stupid, stupid (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gun05.html)

Chicago won a major legal victory Monday when an Illinois appeals court ruled the city can sue gunmakers and dealers for creating a public nuisance with their products.

The ruling came more than two years after a lower court dismissed the city's $433 million lawsuit against the gun industry.

"This is another important victory for gun victims and cities and local governments that are trying to stem the tide of violence," said Jonathan Lowy of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Larry Rosenthal, an assistant corporation counsel for the city, said the opinion "revolutionized" public nuisance laws, which in the past have been applied to conventional polluters like power plants.

"In our view," the court wrote, "plaintiff's complaint sufficiently pleads facts that, notwithstanding actual knowledge that the guns would be brought into Chicago and used in crimes, the manufacturers, distributors and dealers failed to alter their actions, thereby creating a public nuisance."

The opinion added that a "reasonable trier of fact could find that the criminal misuse of guns to kill persons were occurrences that defendants knew would result or were substantially certain to result from the defendants' alleged conduct here."

Late last year, the appeals court upheld a similar lawsuit that the families of gunshot victims filed in 1998. Among the victims were Chicago police Officer Michael Ceriale, shot to death in 1998 on a drug stakeout, and Andrew Young, killed in 1996 at a stoplight in Rogers Park.

"Today's decision is not all that surprising, given what the appellate court did in Young," said James P. Dorr, a defense attorney for gunmakers in both lawsuits. "I anticipate we will ask the Illinois Supreme Court to overturn this case, too. . . . The City of Chicago alleges the firearms manufacturers market the guns to criminals, which is false."

Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association called Monday's ruling "ludicrous."

"They are out to wipe out firearms dealers one way or another," he said. "If this can be done with firearms, what about the getaway car used in robberies or the baseball bat someone uses in a beating or the computer the auditor uses to doctor documents? These are inanimate objects. It requires a criminal to misuse them."

The city's central argument in its 1998 lawsuit was that the gun industry knowingly used a handful of suburban dealers as a pipeline to flood the city with guns that traffickers in turn supplied to criminals.

The city presented evidence that 1 percent of area gun dealers were responsible for 48 percent of gun-related crimes.

Of the 21 lawsuits that municipalities have brought against the gun industry, 10 have been dismissed. Cases in Cincinnati and California are moving toward trial. Meanwhile, the gun industry is pushing legislation in Congress that would provide immunity from such lawsuits, Lowy said.

Mudflap
11-05-2002, 11:48 PM
:bash:

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Pianomahnn
11-06-2002, 01:04 AM
Ah yes, welcome to my wonderful city of Chicago.

I heard about that last night on the radio...it annoyed me.

Did you know that hospitals in Chicago wont willingly accept police offers who have been injured...they have the worst insurance around. All because of the cockgobbling Mayor, who also did this whole gun lawsuit.

He's such an assclown. Gah.

edit: Chicago has a lot of very corrupt politicians. Every Democrat for a major statewide office lives within 7 miles of each other, all in Cook County. Oh yeah...representation at its finest.

MAC
11-06-2002, 04:00 AM
well at least perata's 5 cents per round tax in cali got withdrawn
(http://www.topgunfirearms.com/california.htm)

"***SCA 12 (Perata) If passed by 2/3 vote in both houses, this bill would place on the November ballot an initiative to tax every round of ammunition or on bullet components sold separately at a rate of $.05 each, or $2.50 for the average box of 50 rounds. Passed Senate Health and Human Services Committee 7-1 on June 5th. Bill has been withdrawn by the author. Dead for the year, but likely to return next year. OPPOSE!!!"

Asmodeus
11-06-2002, 12:27 PM
Don't start posting this shit! Yer making me not wanna come back home. If it goes any further... fucking judges-aka wannabe politicians.

Anyone want to move to Mexico with me?

Venus
11-06-2002, 02:54 PM
Riduclous ( I still can't spell that word right).

Just like one of them guys there said, that's like blaming car manufacturers for the getaway cars. It's just silly. I am all about taking responsibility for my own actions, but I won't take responsibility for your actions.