Billyman
06-27-2002, 11:22 PM
Or not?
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/27/1023864621276.html
'No doesn't mean no when the woman's naked and laughing'
June 27 2002
AAP
No did not necessarily mean no, if it was said by a naked woman sitting laughing on a naked man's lap, Australian snooker star Quinten Hann told his rape trial today.
Hann, 25, has pleaded not guilty to raping a South African university student on the floor of his luxury suite at London's Savoy Hotel last October.
Hann told the Old Bailey that the woman, 21, pursued him at a nightclub and then back in his suite in the early hours of October 18.
"I did not try to seduce her. As much as a woman can go after a man, she went after me," Hann, the world No 14, said.
"The whole night, she was very willing."
Asked by his barrister Sir Ivan Lawrence QC, if a man could be sure a woman meant "no" when she said "no", Hann said no.
"You can say no a thousand times but if you show by your actions you don't mean it, it does not necessarily mean consent is withdrawn," he said.
"The most feminist amongst us may know, and be forced to admit, that in the heat of passion when a woman says 'no' she does not necessarily mean 'no'.
"What is a man to think when a naked woman sits on his erect penis, laughing, talking about all kinds of things - and she says 'no'. Does it mean 'no'? Can he be forgiven for thinking it doesn't mean 'no'?"
The woman has said she was drunk when she met Hann in a club and went back to his hotel.
She said did not object to kissing and fondling and at one stage sat naked astride him as they talked about his business interests in Australia.
But she said he ignored her objections to sex and raped her for a few seconds.
Hann, who told the court he had lost his sponsorship since being charged, denied her account.
"It's making me sound like a monster. I am not a monster. It's making me sound like an animal, which I am not," he said.
He said the woman had asked him on two occasions to stop because she had a boyfriend and felt guilty. He had stopped each time.
She left without making a complaint and agreed to meet him for lunch. He phoned her as she went home in a taxi and they spoke for four minutes.
Hann said he did not have any trouble getting hold of girls and could have had sex with as many as three women that night.
He said he was still "feeling horny" after the student left.
Another woman, who had been phoning him that evening, later arrived at the flat and they went to bed.
She was still there in the morning when three police officers woke him and accused him of raping the student.
The trial was adjourned until tomorrow.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/27/1023864621276.html
'No doesn't mean no when the woman's naked and laughing'
June 27 2002
AAP
No did not necessarily mean no, if it was said by a naked woman sitting laughing on a naked man's lap, Australian snooker star Quinten Hann told his rape trial today.
Hann, 25, has pleaded not guilty to raping a South African university student on the floor of his luxury suite at London's Savoy Hotel last October.
Hann told the Old Bailey that the woman, 21, pursued him at a nightclub and then back in his suite in the early hours of October 18.
"I did not try to seduce her. As much as a woman can go after a man, she went after me," Hann, the world No 14, said.
"The whole night, she was very willing."
Asked by his barrister Sir Ivan Lawrence QC, if a man could be sure a woman meant "no" when she said "no", Hann said no.
"You can say no a thousand times but if you show by your actions you don't mean it, it does not necessarily mean consent is withdrawn," he said.
"The most feminist amongst us may know, and be forced to admit, that in the heat of passion when a woman says 'no' she does not necessarily mean 'no'.
"What is a man to think when a naked woman sits on his erect penis, laughing, talking about all kinds of things - and she says 'no'. Does it mean 'no'? Can he be forgiven for thinking it doesn't mean 'no'?"
The woman has said she was drunk when she met Hann in a club and went back to his hotel.
She said did not object to kissing and fondling and at one stage sat naked astride him as they talked about his business interests in Australia.
But she said he ignored her objections to sex and raped her for a few seconds.
Hann, who told the court he had lost his sponsorship since being charged, denied her account.
"It's making me sound like a monster. I am not a monster. It's making me sound like an animal, which I am not," he said.
He said the woman had asked him on two occasions to stop because she had a boyfriend and felt guilty. He had stopped each time.
She left without making a complaint and agreed to meet him for lunch. He phoned her as she went home in a taxi and they spoke for four minutes.
Hann said he did not have any trouble getting hold of girls and could have had sex with as many as three women that night.
He said he was still "feeling horny" after the student left.
Another woman, who had been phoning him that evening, later arrived at the flat and they went to bed.
She was still there in the morning when three police officers woke him and accused him of raping the student.
The trial was adjourned until tomorrow.