While our rights get torn from our grasp...

[zim]

US Federal Appeals court rules that the Pledge of Alliegance is Unconstitutional.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49473-2002Jun26.html

One nation, Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


While our rights to due process, innocence, get stripped away, the courts worry about this.

[SimpleSimon]

Originally posted by Dyslexic Tangent
US Federal Appeals court rules that the Pledge of Alliegance is Unconstitutional.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49473-2002Jun26.html

One nation, Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


While our rights to due process, innocence, get stripped away, the courts worry about this.

It's called misdirection. Get the armchair patriots up in arms about inconsequential bullshit, whilst stealing their freedom behind the guise of security.

Those who run the system are masters at this.

[Billyman]

I personally don't see a problem with this.

Unconstitutional? Actually it is.

Seperation of church.

"Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole and nothing but the truth so help you god?"

That was asked time and time again in our court rooms until the "so help you god" part was abolished.

Look at it from my perspective. As you already know I don't believe in any gods so who or what would I be swearing to in court? I could lie my ass off and they could hold me in contempt? Technically yes but actually no. Seems like about seven or eight years ago, I read about a court case with a similar instance. This woman lied her ass off while on the witness stand. She was proved to be lieing by cross-examination. They naturally tried to hold her in contempt for lieing. Her argument? She said she swore to a mythical god much like swearing to a leprechaun or unicorn, not to the court. She was ultimatly released of the charges due to a technicality. I thought that that was one of the most interesting things I had ever read. And shit on her for lying but "Yay" on her argument.

As for the Pledge of Alliegance. For many, many, many, many years now (mostly back in school), any time I said the pledge, I always left out one part. Yep, you guessed it: "under god". I don't think it should be in there. I just don't. At this point it looks like a revisited version may be in order. But that's just me.

[Cruise Director]

Being one of the forum atheists, I have to tell you I really have more important shit in my life to worry about than a bunch of little kids using the phrase "under God" in the pledge of allegiance. I have more of a problem with the pledge itself than a catch phrase included within.

If believing in God or using the phrases "Under God" and "In God we trust" makes you a better person, I have no problem with it.

Sometimes I think the people in this country act too much like Don Quijote fighting the windmills. Some battles just aen't worth the effort.

[MAC]

Ok.

*theMAC gets out his big fuckin perspective-magnifier

federal appeals court decides that federally funded public schools can't tell your children to say "under god"

ok...I buy that..seems stupid and unecessary use of a court system....but whatever

however....that article that everyone just read said
"schools"

well:
if I send my child to a private catholic school then I certainly have no problem with her saying "under god" now do I?
So the do what we say or we will take away your grandma's social security federal court can suck my mother fuckin dick just think about that again.
Education has NOTHING to do with the fucking federal gov't and has NOTHING to do with any court's interpretation of the constitution.....It is the matter of the individual academic institutions and the alumni/patrons of such.
Thusly saying GOD does not fall under the constitution.
Infact it is protected by it.

Yes, in this case, the gov't paying employees to forcing our children to say it is in direct contradiction to it.
But I hope you see my point.

Maybe G.W.Bush's Dept of Fatherland Defense will make this the litmus test it gives the children of suspected terrorists...."now little abdul, is it ok to say "under god" in your school?"

meanwhile we see a wonderful example of something congress passed almost 50 years ago being undone by the judicial monarchs of the liberal west...who said "hey, doesn't that constitution thingy have something in it about not talkin about god?"

hmmm.....I wonder if the media is useing any fuckery right here?

[gone away]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/26/senate.resolution.pledge/index.html

some reactions from other judges in here :)

apparantly the seperation of church and state is 'stupid'

shrug!

[Billyman]

Got some of that same info and more right here. (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pledge_onhold020627.html)