Monarchy

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Under Hobbesian theory, no state other than a monarchy will ultimately prosper. (Monarchy being any entity, group or individual)

Initial response... What a load of crap.

Logical counter argument would be to point out that many democracies have existed for long periods of time.

But... look at a model of democracy. The US.

Bascially, the supreme court has the right to veto anything they want, of course they have restraints, but these are merely conventional.

So, under Hobbesian theory, The supreme court of America is Monarch.

Please discuss.

Entertain me damnit!!!!

I'm bored.

[Dog Breath]

How is it you see a body of individuals sworn to be objective and bound by the US constitution as a monarchy?

A monarchy has but one supreme ruler whom is not constrained except by the power his/her subjects have to revolt.

I think the supreme court's most dangerous power is the ability to refuse to hear a case thereby allowing infringements to be upheld be default.

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[King Bastard]

Rogue, the part of Demosthenes is more suited to you, methinks, but I digress.

Hmmm, monarchy huh? Not too sure about that. There are similarities to be sure. Lifetime appointment, gobs of influence and power. But I think the arguement fails at the point of the actual limitatinos placed on the judges. While very far from perfect, there are checks in place to stop most abuses from happening.

Keep in mind that I am one of the least political members here. THat being said, I expect any and all of my comments to be of an elementary level. Sorry, me am trying tho.

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[MAC]

Monarchy may be the ultimately prosperous form of government but only for the short-run. The hubris of a monarchy is that it must maintain its physical lineage beyond the mortal lifetime. Monarchs are ordained "by God". They are chosen over us to act as God on Earth (sound familiar). But when they die you must hope that they left good kids. And how does a king or queen chose from among the peasants(see european history)? Either you inbreed or you must admit your human nature and find suitable candidates for reproduction. Either way you end up with bad leaders and a succession of these always leads to civil unrest.
We are in the middle of a succession of bad leaders in the US. And I don't just mean presidents. I mean judges, senators, representative, commissioners, police chiefs, you name it. They are bad because they put on a show to win our votes and acceptance. We accept them because they offer to let the government do our work. So we accet. Hell we ask for more, please.
Now to get elected they all do it. Even the ones who don't really believe in it.
Vote. Join groups. Write letters. Send Emails. And remember no matter how conservative or liberal you might be: A politician is a politician and they can't really do their job until they're a monarch.
If you want your freedom you'd better get it back.

Oh yeh. The preceding is based on the fact that you are willing to read, listen, think for your self, and learn.
If not, a guy like me might just own you some day.
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[This message has been edited by theMAC (edited 03-28-2001).]

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Bare in mind that I think Hobbes was an idiot and I am merely playing the role of devils advocate, here are some possible responses to the points raised so far...

Hobbes did not see monarchy as being limited to the rule of one person.. as already mentioned, it could be any entity. This entity need not be 'special' in any way. The only qualification was that the majority agree to follow their rule. The concept of royal prerogative (devine rule) was done away with a long time ago, even before Hobbes http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

The British Monarch currently has more limits on their power than what the supreme court does, and, the limits on the supreme court, as already mentioned, are by convention, so don't really count under a Hobbesian account.