I warned you.....

[Mattdecay]

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">How would one go about opposing something like this? Can you legally oppose an invention because you think it will be one of the factors that lead to the dehumanization of society? I don't know... </FONT f>

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[squee]

<FONT face="Trebuchet MS">As the official Tribal spook and representative of The Man I would like to point out that nobody I know is concerned with framing anyone. Also this sort of system will make counterterrorist operations a whole hell of a lot easier and identity theft a whole hell of a lot harder.

It all depends on how the technology is used.</FONT f>

[squee]

<FONT face="Trebuchet MS">In what ways will its use be improper?</FONT f>

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[Buddha's Penis!]

i find it a tad disturbing that your theories are so close to the christian theories about the rise of the antichrist, rogue. disturbing because i think your basis is not the same, i mean, making a sort of weird coincidence.

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Buddha's Penis!:
i find it a tad disturbing that your theories are so close to the christian theories about the rise of the antichrist, rogue. disturbing because i think your basis is not the same, i mean, making a sort of weird coincidence.

[/quote]

LMAO!!! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[King Bastard]

THe retinal scans are the worst of these though, just from the standpoint of how to defeat it. The facescan can be fooled easily enough, and prints can be faked (i think). But what are we gonna have to do, walk aobut with fake eyes to put up to the scanner?

I just hope Death comes in a halfway quick manner.

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[Buddha's Penis!]

but where is this new tyrant? you're right, the means are there, but where's the motive and the monster to carry out this new Order? who's bent on world domination? i say possible, but not probable.

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just thought I'd let you know, fucker.

[Escape Artist]

Well, when shit goes down and they start you can bet I'll take quite a few out before I die. This is idiocy to the highest extent. People read these fucking articles and shrug them off, tolerate high taxes for services and WILLINGLY accept that they have to pay these or be jailed. What the hell happened to American society? Is the fight even worth it anymore, when 90% of the populace is more willing to lay down and be herded like sheep instead of defending their rights? I guess it's time to start stocking up on ammo real soon before they take that too. Remember, kids...it's all for the children. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif

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[Escape Artist]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Buddha's Penis!:
but where is this new tyrant? you're right, the means are there, but where's the motive and the monster to carry out this new Order? who's bent on world domination? i say possible, but not probable.

[/quote]


The means and motives? Money. Government is ruled by the corporations...look at the battle between Napster and the RIAA and tell me this isn't true. Corporations already invade your rights "to provide better services", why not this? They'd love to be able to track you, and considering the influence they have over the gov't, they can do it. Something to think about...


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[Dog Breath]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by squee:
<FONT face="Trebuchet MS">In what ways will its use be improper?</FONT f>

[This message has been edited by squee (edited 03-20-2001).][/quote]

Here is a scenario for you Squee.

First a tie in to reality. We have some pretty stupid laws on the books, it is illegal to harass butterflies in Pacific grove California. There are countless other stupid laws on the books. With the growing legislation involving hate crime things will become ridiculous there as well.

On to the scenario.
You are at an ATM the frigging thing still won't give you money just like yesterday you get upset and walk hastily away. You didn't know but there was a minority person, elected official, off duty cop etc standing close behind you. You brush past them as you leave the ATM and that person loses their balance. The camera at the ATM catches that action and has your retinal scan on file. An automatic report is filed with the police due to the ATM violence act of 2004. You drive to Wal Mart and the front door camera scans you from it's hidden location. It was added with federal funds in the stop shoplifting program. The In store police squad is notified that citizen X is in the store and has an E-Warrant(tm) issued for violence. The stores roof cameras keep tabs on your location in the store and you are apprehended. Since this is a misdemeanor you get no representation the evidence is un refutable and on file. You are levied a $2000 fine for ATM violence you spend a night in jail while it is ascertained that you can foot your bail. You are added to the violent offenders database as a requirement of the ATM violence act and it goes into your file. During your quarterly review at work you are informed that persons on the violent offenders list are not eligible to work at your company. You are unemployed and banned from having a decent job due to one temporary outburst and an accidental encounter.
You can say "that will never happen" I agree. That scenario will not. Before the Rico act would you have believed that sort of thing could be passed in America? Seizure of your property without proof of wrong doing?

The technology on itself is not a bad thing. It will allow the enforcement of unenforceable laws. The next time you stop with your bumper slightly in the crosswalk, imagine a camera mounted under the light identifying you and mailing you a ticket. It will be seen as a regular thing. My gas bill, my cable bill, my DMV bill, my parking bill, my spitting on the sidewalk bill etc...

It is about having the freedom to act without anally planning each move. Being politically correct 24-7. If you don't believe me try carrying your proceeds from the sale of your house through an airport. Try saying the word "Bomb" in an airport. With this technology that same thing can extend to all public facilities.

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[MAC]

Wait!
Wait!
Wait!
Your forgetting the sickest part RW.
Those people we drive past on the way to work....
Half of them feel that this is sort of necessary and that they will have a better life if it goes on.
The same pig-fuckers who won't let their penal system kill a mass murderer but would gladly tell a girl to abort a baby....
And, THANK YOU JESUS, they are willing to let me pay for it.
Especially if i happen to do well for once in my life.
Why exactly do you think I shoot chicken egg size targets at 300 yards?
I'm going to make mine count.....

[mute]

if that were to happen, i'd truck it in the woods, and disapeer... no fucking way am i letting someone do that to me...

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[Poteen]

Thank God I live in Denmark.. I'll have ages to figure out a solution before that shit hits us!

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[Deadpool]

This all sounds so totalitarian. Isn't the US supposed to be the land of the free? You know, in the future I dont want robbers trying to bypass my "retinal, face scanner" security by cutting off my head. just a thought.

[Koliedrus]

I can honestly say that this thread has had an affect on my opinions. Originally, I was under the impression that my individual identity should be readily identifiable; PINs and SSAN# just don't cut it. The "severed head" scenario has me thinking...

squee, tell me this:

Now that it's possible to manufacture a 3D facsimile in short order, what's to say someone will not lift a fingerprint, reproduce it with texture, apply it to a glove (perhaps after they've procured oils from someone's skin for genetic cross-referencing)...

At the moment, retinal scans seem to be somewhat secure as far as the general populous is concerned. Just as with PGP, the identifying markers can be duplicated and reproduced with enough effort.

I'll have to give this more thought.

[Dog Breath]

Good point Kol.

How hard would it be to buy or steal one of those eye scanners and nab someone's identity, print up a set of contact lenses to match and use their identity. Also it would be pretty easy to remain anonymous by growing facial hair and wearing colored contacts.

At any rate I am sure this technology will be developed. It is our jobs to inform friends and use our vote and our money to resist it. These things can't stand the light of day and when exposed for what they are quickly vanish. The trick is to not give up. Don't be complacent with what you are given. Strive for what you believe to be right.
If we all can't be treated like sheep it will take much longer to implement.

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If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

uh-oh.... Rogue woke up in a grump!

[Dog Breath]

Ha ha RW I have a funny story about that firearm.

That one in the picture is the full dress version. Imagine it without the buttstock fancy shmansy sight and no silencer. OK OK RW stop crying it is just a story......

We had a couple dozen of those MP5K's in that configuration in a facility where I worked at Ft Bragg. They are a hell of a lot of fun on the range but that all changed one day.

The school I worked for trained foreign officers as well as US special forces. Some of those officers (most) were not too familiar with firearms safety.

Do you see the nub just under the muzzle? Well on the standard version it is longer, about 3/4" to protect fingers on the forward grip from coming in contact with the muzzle.

Weeeeeeeeeeeelll to make a long story longer one of those officers used it for a finger grip similar to pistol shooting where the front of the trigger guard is used to steady the pistol with the off hand. Upon discharging several rounds on full auto his finger capped the muzzle and the next round did what you would expect.

We were no longer allowed to take them to the range during the time I was stationed there. We saw a lot of stupid maneuvers at the range but that took the cake. The bright side is that it could never happen again (to that officer) He he!

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If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[MAC]

Hey I know one fucktard who lost part of a finger.
And RW, too.

In all seriousness I much prefer my 9 shot Mossberg.
And I seriously doubt that any one would cut off my head for my piddly bank account.
But they might knock on my door for my opinion one day if it happens to be voice to far in between elections.
I believe the old Marine Corp Handbook caleed it a MOBOCRACY.
By the way anyone know what the gold fringe on an American flag means?
I read a neat story on it in the oil patch.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
By the way anyone know what the gold fringe on an American flag means?
I read a neat story on it in the oil patch.[/quote]
Nope. Thrill me. Then reply to my posts damnit!!! Im bored, need a good argument http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Bishop]

The quote below concerning gold fringe on the Flag is from the book "So Proudly We Hail, The History of the United States Flag" Smithsonian Institute Press 1981, by Wiliam R. Furlong and Byron McCandless. "The placing of a fringe on Our Flag is optional with the person of organization, and no Act of Congress or Executive Order either prohibits the practice, according to the Institute of Hearaldry. Fringe is used on indoor flags only, as fringe on flags on outdoor flags would deteriorate rapidly. The fringe on a Flag is considered and 'honorable enrichment only', and its official use by the US Army dates from 1895.. A 1925 Attorney General's Opinion states: 'the fringe does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the Flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statute. An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe.'"

The gold trim is generally used on ceremonial indoor flags that are used for special services and is believed to have been first used in a military setting. It has no specific significance that I have ever run across, and its (gold trim) use is in compliance with applicable flag codes and laws.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Well... to be honest, I have heard more interesting stories...

[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
[/B][/quote]
Nope. Thrill me. Then reply to my posts damnit!!! Im bored, need a good argument http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[/B][/quote]
The gold fringe around the flag was intially implemented by the navy to represent that thje ship was operating under maritime law.
The army, marines, etc use it in parade to represent military law....
So the next time you pay a traffic fin in TX (which could be never for you, what the hell time is it in New Zealand anyway?)
and you see the beatiful US Flag with gold fringe draped behind the judge remember that it means he represents a MILITARY STATE.
He probably doesn't know that though....
Land of the Free
I should use that for my signiture.
And if want to argue try which is better Creamy or Crunch peanut butter?
Creamy is absolutly the best if Peanut butter was supposed to be crunch it would be peanut chunks.

[Bishop]

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CRUNCHY RULES!!!!!!! I like the toasted flavor of crunchy peanut butter. Plus, it's better crunchy on pancakes.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
what the hell time is it in New Zealand anyway?
3.50am

Land of the Free
Governed by the sheeple, for the sheeple!


And if want to argue try which is better Creamy or Crunch peanut butter?
Creamy is absolutly the best if Peanut butter was supposed to be crunch it would be peanut chunks.
We don't have creamy peanut butter, I guess that would be our equivalent of smooth, yeah?
I thought peanut chunks was what you blew after one too many beers?
What kind of a sick bastard prefers smooth peanut butter???... I bet you like processed satay sauce too... Freak! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[/quote]

[Bishop]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhahahahaha!!!!!

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhahahahaha!!!!![/quote]

I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that...

[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhahahahaha!!!!![/quote]

I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that...[/quote]

What kind of a sick bastard prefers smooth peanut butter???

And yeah, *I* noticed my title, you schmartass!!!!!!!!!! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif

[Dog Breath]

Creamy / smooth peanut butter like Velveta cheese is for the unimaginative.

I bet the Mac never tried catsup on eggs either. Probably carries a Glock 19 with FMJ ammo too. Pussy!

Get a .38 super or a 10mm. A snubby .44 is good too. The only 9mm I own is a Glock sub compact with a laser and Remington golden sabers (better than Black Talons and cheaper too http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif ).


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If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[zoey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
The same pig-fuckers who won't let their penal system kill a mass murderer but would gladly tell a girl to abort a baby....
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[MAC]

RED NECK?
Just because I drink from mason jars and have been known to clean my teeth with a knife?

Lets start off on the same page shall we.

If I act out aggressively towards someone I am opening myself up to their retaliation.
If they think I am going to kill them they may try to kill me.
If a fucking low life piece of shit kills and rapes and maims because (like some other people on the forum) he doesn't KNOW if he's crazy or not or "right from wrong".
That excuses shit!
He is opening himself up to retaliation.
My problem with abortion starts and stops with the gov't TELLING me I can or cannot do it because THEY SAY SO.
FUCK THEM
I SAY SO!
If you would like to abort all your children feel free.
My kid can play with Koliedrus' kids.
Yours can fucking fill shoe boxes for all I care.
As for the death penalty....
Courts are NOT for "justice" for Social Retribution.
Personally I'd prefer if they'd send the murderers home so I know where to find them.
By the way I just finished my fourth Jalapeno
And I'll probably shot and skin something this week.

[This message has been edited by RogueWarrior (edited 03-21-2001).]

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
I a fucking low life piece of shit kills and rapes and maims [/quote]

You may seriously want to think about editting this http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/eek.gif

[Dog Breath]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
I a fucking low life piece of shit kills and rapes and maims [/quote]

You may seriously want to think about editting this http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/eek.gif[/quote]

I think he meant:

"If a fucking low life piece of shit kills and rapes and maims......"

Not "Im a f....."

But I could be wrong http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Escape Artist]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by zoey:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
The same pig-fuckers who won't let their penal system kill a mass murderer but would gladly tell a girl to abort a baby....
[/quote]
Don't fucking get me started. Sit back down, redneck.


[/quote]

Zoey, sit down, shut your fucking mouth and try to refrain from making an ass of yourself in the future. You wanna hurl insults? Chink! Has your immaturity for the week been satisfied yet?


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[Deadpool]

Whoa, hey, thats a little rough don't you think?

[Strider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
Hey I know one fucktard who lost part of a finger.
And RW, too.

In all seriousness I much prefer my 9 shot Mossberg.
And I seriously doubt that any one would cut off my head for my piddly bank account.
But they might knock on my door for my opinion one day if it happens to be voice to far in between elections.
I believe the old Marine Corp Handbook caleed it a MOBOCRACY.
By the way anyone know what the gold fringe on an American flag means?
I read a neat story on it in the oil patch.[/quote]


It may not be your bank account they are after...it could be that they are looking for someone to blame a crime on. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

Someone who just so happens to have disappeared and cannot be found.


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[Escape Artist]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Deadpool:
Whoa, hey, thats a little rough don't you think?[/quote]

nah



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[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Dog Breath:
Creamy / smooth peanut butter like Velveta cheese is for the unimaginative.

I bet the Mac never tried catsup on eggs either. Probably carries a Glock 19 with FMJ ammo too. Pussy!

Get a .38 super or a 10mm. A snubby .44 is good too. The only 9mm I own is a Glock sub compact with a laser and Remington golden sabers (better than Black Talons and cheaper too http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif ).


[/quote]

FYI
Anything to big for my .22 mag get a healthy dose of .45 LC.
But traditionally speaking I have killed more things in less time with a shotgun than with any other weapon or combination there of.

[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Strider:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
Hey I know one fucktard who lost part of a finger.
And RW, too.

In all seriousness I much prefer my 9 shot Mossberg.
And I seriously doubt that any one would cut off my head for my piddly bank account.
But they might knock on my door for my opinion one day if it happens to be voice to far in between elections.
I believe the old Marine Corp Handbook caleed it a MOBOCRACY.
By the way anyone know what the gold fringe on an American flag means?
I read a neat story on it in the oil patch.[/quote]


It may not be your bank account they are after...it could be that they are looking for someone to blame a crime on. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

Someone who just so happens to have disappeared and cannot be found.


[/quote]

Touche

and RW I feel that I was rather restrained.
Sorry about the typos

[zoey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Escape Artist:
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Zoey, sit down, shut your fucking mouth and try to refrain from making an ass of yourself in the future. You wanna hurl insults? Chink! Has your immaturity for the week been satisfied yet?


[/quote]

Where did that come from? I do not remember hurling racial slurs. I am not making an ass out of myself. I am disagreeing with someone in this forum. I believe i have the right to do that, no?



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[MAC]

Zoey is correct.

Now I have to go mow my dirt yard,look for eggs in the neighbor's driveway and fuck my cousin.

[MAC]

Oh boy!
Did I just learn something the hardway.
Don't EVER drink Vodka and Mow!
My wife is going to kill me when she finds what's left of her cat.

[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">If anyone in this forum is a redneck, it has to be me.</FONT c>

[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mudflap:
<FONT COLOR="Orange">If anyone in this forum is a redneck, it has to be me.</FONT c>[/quote]

Cool.
What does the ball cap your wearing right now in the house say?

Mine says "Tractor Supply"
And last friday I had to sting new bull panels in front of the boss mans spill way on his stock pond.




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[squee]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
Now. Take all of that above, and tie it in with the Human Genome Project. Ask yourself why it is that the Department of Energy is using our tax dollars to map all the Human genes....

What has the DOE to do with Medicine? That's why they claim they're doing it, isn't it? To wipe out disease?

Then you will have scratched the surface of what I'm doing here, and why I question everything the government does. And why I hate them with a passion that verges on Religious. And why, most of all, you should never fucking trust them.[/quote]

<FONT face="Trebuchet MS">DoE is not to my knowledge "in charge" of the HGP, although they might be funding it. You find all sorts of weird shit like that. Senator Jones is a biology geek so he decides his committee's next bill will have a rider wherein the HGP gets some funds. I guess that's just how Washington works...they legislate like old people fuck.

More frightening is that the man at the reins of the HGP is none other than James Watson, as in, "Watson & Crick." Watson is an insufferable prick who stole those research results from an Englishwoman named Rosalind Franklin. He freely admits to it and thinks it's quite funny (he is not a molecular biologist, but rather, an ornithologist, and a poor one at that).

In short, the most colossal prick in the world now has the keys to the kingdom. He's a reductionist and a Eugenecist...I am very afraid.</FONT f>

[Mudflap]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mudflap:
<FONT COLOR="Orange">If anyone in this forum is a redneck, it has to be me.</FONT c>[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:

Cool.
What does the ball cap your wearing right now in the house say?
[/quote]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">It has an autum woodland camoflague pattern with the logo of Hired Hand--a company that manufactures gas heaters for agricultural livestock applications.

I see more live swine on a daily basis than most people will see in their entire lifetime.</FONT c>

[MAC]

Mudflap,
you are a better redneck than I.
Oh by the way I am currently sitting on a 5 gal bucket of Sweet brown rice.
Have some cornbread with applebutter for me.



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