Hahahahahaha.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Appparently I'm mad. Right then. I have to get medicated. Can't go on the same meds I had last time as they made me so appathetic towards everything that I didn't bother sitting my exams http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/eek.gif (they let me take a special thank christ) - but now I am doing research, I can't take the risk of losing motivation (any more than I already have)

So, all you fruit loops and crackers who have dubious mental status such as myself http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
please give me some info on the drug, and the side effect, that you have experienced... this would be much appreciated as I have no idea, and neither does my shrink apparently (makes you wonder how he passed med school).

Everyone else... heres a question for you... do you think sanity is defined by ones actions or by ones thoughts?

[mute]

i've never taken any medication what-so-ever

but i wanna try and answer your question...

i think sanity is defined by a mixture of both action and thought.... you can think weird stuff somedays, and it would seem insane to a lot of people, but it's just a thought... it's when you take action to certain thoughts, that it defines your sanity to society...

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[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Appparently I'm mad. Right then. I have to get medicated. Can't go on the same meds I had last time as they made me so appathetic towards everything that I didn't bother sitting my exams http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/eek.gif (they let me take a special thank christ) - but now I am doing research, I can't take the risk of losing motivation (any more than I already have)

So, all you fruit loops and crackers who have dubious mental status such as myself http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
please give me some info on the drug, and the side effect, that you have experienced... this would be much appreciated as I have no idea, and neither does my shrink apparently (makes you wonder how he passed med school).

Everyone else... heres a question for you... do you think sanity is defined by ones actions or by ones thoughts?[/quote]

You um... forgot to mention WHICH drug you're supposed to be taking muffy.

Sanity is defined by your thought processes and perception, not your actions: you can be paralyzed and still insane.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
You um... forgot to mention WHICH drug you're supposed to be taking muffy.
[/quote]

I have been on prozac and arapax (sp?)... I'm not entirely sure if they are called the same thing overseas, which is why I did not mention it. Oh, and they stuck me on some sort of seratonin inhibitor years ago, something like a beta blocker from memory... but that made my speech slurred and I sounded (and acted) like I was drunk all the time... heh.

[mute]

do you think taking medication to help your "dubious mental status" is good?

before i go on,
do you toke up, booze, or whatever on a regular basis? or are you sober?
(ps ... doing any stuff once in a while doesn't count)

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

NO. I most definately do not want to be on drugs.. but the fact of the matter is that I am not coping terribly well with all the crap in my life at the moment.. and anything that stops me from killing people has got to be good, yeah?

I used to have a big drug problem... Have not touched anything other than pot in about six years now though.

I still drink like a fish, but only really lose it when under great stress, like over the last few weeks when I have done some bloody stupid things.

I tend to also throw myself in to stupid relationships or brief sexual encounters when I'm depressed, which just makes things worse as I beat myself up about it afterwards...I guess that comes from the insecurities which rear their ugly heads in moments like this...

Who knows?

[Deadpool]

My sis is a Pharmacist, Ill ask her.

[VenoM]

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[skalie]

Muff have you read erowid (http://www.erowid.org/index.shtml) ? It gives a lot of lowdown info.

[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by VenoM:
i'm a sleeping pill popper, insomnia sux.

[/quote]

Yeah, and you know you're gonna become dependant on em too. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif

[VenoM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:


Yeah, and you know you're gonna become dependant on em too. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif

[/quote]

true, but liquor can be expensive http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Koliedrus]

Muffy, you're in good company. Although I've never taken Prozac or its ilk, I know several who have. Reactions are variable.

One swore it off when she became comfortable telling her husband about her rowdy days. One took it for a short time (prescribed) while going through a divorce. It seems to have helped his focus on important matters during that time.

There are more but I'm under the opinion that Prozac is best used to quench raging emotional fires so that you can focus on getting your shit together, as it were.

If you need a drug to help you put emotional issues on the backburner and your doctor has prescribed one, take advantage of the calm but do NOT forget to set it aside. If you're more comfortable with yourself with emotional augmentation, continue.

Continue to post and we'll diagnose any changes we perceive.

Hang in there.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Koliedrus:
Continue to post and we'll diagnose any changes we perceive.
[/quote]

*runs to the corner of the room, snarling and foaming at the mouth, tracing fingers along the axe edge, screaming "I'm sane damnit...I'll show you all!!!"*

[Bishop]

All kidding aside, you should get a second opinion. Preferably from someone who is more sure of the medication he or she is prescribing to you, and, subsequently who can and will answer the questions you're asking here about such medications.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
All kidding aside, you should get a second opinion. Preferably from someone who is more sure of the medication he or she is prescribing to you, and, subsequently who can and will answer the questions you're asking here about such medications. [/quote]
Possibly... It does not help that Dunedin is so small. Don't get me wrong, I have been given all the clinical information (you know, the pamphlets and stuff), but I find that real life accounts of how the side effects manifested themselves in day to day life more helpfull...

[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
All kidding aside, you should get a second opinion. Preferably from someone who is more sure of the medication he or she is prescribing to you, and, subsequently who can and will answer the questions you're asking here about such medications. [/quote]
Possibly... It does not help that Dunedin is so small. Don't get me wrong, I have been given all the clinical information (you know, the pamphlets and stuff), but I find that real life accounts of how the side effects manifested themselves in day to day life more helpfull...

[/quote]

Oh, I know, and i'd do the same, but this line here: "this would be much appreciated as I have no idea, and neither does my shrink apparently (makes you wonder how he passed med school)." leads me to believe he/she didn't discuss it with you to begin with. Instead, told you, "you're whacko, here's a prescription and take pamphlet #345 and #215 on your way out if you have questions". Some medical doctors are real insensitive assholes. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

[SexKitten]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Appparently I'm mad. Right then. I have to get medicated. Can't go on the same meds I had last time as they made me so appathetic towards everything that I didn't bother sitting my exams http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/eek.gif (they let me take a special thank christ) - but now I am doing research, I can't take the risk of losing motivation (any more than I already have)

So, all you fruit loops and crackers who have dubious mental status such as myself http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
please give me some info on the drug, and the side effect, that you have experienced... this would be much appreciated as I have no idea, and neither does my shrink apparently (makes you wonder how he passed med school).

Everyone else... heres a question for you... do you think sanity is defined by ones actions or by ones thoughts?[/quote]

Actions definately. Jesus, if sanity was based on someones thoughts, im pretty sure 90% of the population would be heavily medicated sitting in a padded cell.

As to you first question. I was never prescribed any drugs. But, I used to take valium for my nerves (there just happened to be someone else in my house who needed the drug and whenever i felt i needed it i stole hers) I also took xanax for a while to help me sleep. Now I take no medications except for my Flintstones vitamins...ten million strong..sorry


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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

LOL... I see your point. Yes they can be... he was quite good though really...It has helped a lot just being told that most people would be suffering from anxiety etc under the same circumstances... that makes me feel better in itself (you know, reassures me that I am not just weak and over emotional).
He just pissed me off because he does not seem to be able to tell me what other patients have been through... that might just be a confidentiality thing though... sorry for painting it in such a bad light.

[Bishop]

I liked the purple ones... wasn't dino purple? Ohwell... i'd eat em like candy if I had some. &lt------- Real insanity shining through.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

NNNNNOOOOOO!!!!! Not the Barney pills... aaarrrggggghhhh!!!

MUST...KILL...PURPLE...DINOSAUR...

[SexKitten]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
I liked the purple ones... wasn't dino purple? Ohwell... i'd eat em like candy if I had some. <------- Real insanity shining through.[/quote]

--Hands Bishop a Dino Vitamin-- Go to town buddy


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[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
LOL... I see your point. Yes they can be... he was quite good though really...It has helped a lot just being told that most people would be suffering from anxiety etc under the same circumstances... that makes me feel better in itself (you know, reassures me that I am not just weak and over emotional).
He just pissed me off because he does not seem to be able to tell me what other patients have been through... that might just be a confidentiality thing though... sorry for painting it in such a bad light.[/quote]

He can't tell you specifics if he feels it'll give away their identity, but he can tell you instances from patient A or B he's treated before if it won't expose who they are. If it were me, i'd look on google for keywords such as, "prozac side effect manifest" or something similar. You might have luck that way. :\

[Bishop]

<FONT SIZE=5 COLOR=green><table style=filter:glow(color=purple,stength=#1)>BARNEY LOVES YOU! *TeeHee*</table></FONT><font color="black" size="-4">

[This message has been edited by Bishop (edited 03-19-2001).]

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Yeah, I'll do that, thanks Bishop.

I think it would be hard for him to tell me about his patients and for me to not know who they were... problem with student towns, everyone knows everything about everyone else.

The stories I could tell...

[Bishop]

<FONT SIZE=5 COLOR=purple><table style=filter:mask(color=green,stength=#1)>BARNEY *HUGS* YOU!</table> </FONT><font color="black">

[This message has been edited by Bishop (edited 03-19-2001).]

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

ooohhh look... is that a smurf I see?

[squee]

<FONT face="Trebuchet MS">I'm afraid of pills.</FONT f>

[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
ooohhh look... is that a smurf I see?[/quote]

And with that, and knowing i'm AGAINST SMURFS FOR REAL... you need to ask yourself who of us two is really and truely whack-o. I was called disturbed and a nutter in the same sentence, if you'll recall....

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

*bows down before Bishop*

You sir, truly are the nuttiest of us all http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:

I don't take drugs...I don't need them. I'm crazy enough without chemical assistance thank you very much.

[/quote]
Odd that you use your insanity to justify not wanting to take drugs (not that you need a justification for such choice) - While my insanity is the REASON for taking drugs... bah... I have a fucked up sense of humour.

[skalie]

Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle their drugs.

[Dog Breath]

I am on Prozac all by it's little lonesome Muffy. I tried the holistic approach because I hate chemicals and I hate not being in control. I gave up some self pride for my family and started taking those infernal pills.
It works great for me. I stopped worrying about money so much and my finances have never been better. I am not depressed all the time and my marriage is better than ever. I make my own decisions at work, my boss hates me but fuck him I am happy. I really can't "feel" the drug so I assume half of the success is from the placebo effect but that's all the better. Less chemicals and more self control.
Maybe you were on too much Prozac. I take 20mg per day.
It must be working, there was a conspiracy to blow something up here in my home town and I wasn't involved! Woo Hoo! The local Law Dogs busted some rednecks with Dynamite in their hands and rage in their heads.

(I just love the fact the spell checker suggests "Muff" as a correction for your name http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif )

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[zoey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
<FONT SIZE=5 COLOR=green><table style=filter:glow(color=purple,stength=#1)>BARNEY LOVES YOU! *TeeHee*</table></FONT>
[/quote]
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[Lightbulb]

Muffy

Most of the world is insane, but they're the majority and thus dictate normalicy. They are still wrong.

I've had the pleasure of being medicated against my will after a two minute consultation with a psychiatrist who used 'grid prescription sheets' which in the UK means that reading down one side of the form and matching up the vague symptoms described. The grid then suggests to the consultant which of the five main drugs to use to batter the delicate chemistry of the patient's brain.

I have also in my time opted to experiment with SSRI's to treat depression, but I was unnerved by the side effects and the changes they made to my creativity and perceptions.

More specifically, and these reactions vary from person to person, Seroxat produced sleeplessness, sexual dysfunction and jaw clenching. Some psychological changes I noticed were related to the way I would dwell upon thoughts which previously seemed to enmesh my consciousness inescapably; I would remain somewhat removed from obsessing about insignificant details. Unfortunately I would also find it almost impossible to concentrate in a familiar way upon individual ideas with which I was working creatively.

I've decided to avoid medication for depression (not US, Prozac popping kiddy sad but clinical depression) and treat it myself with behavioural methods. It's not a cure, but it's manageable.

Although apathy and depression can have a biological or genetic basis, one can actively change one's behaviour and attitudes without resorting to chemical means. If you want a more in depth explanation, let me know. Behavioural psychologists will be able to work with these methods if you can find them, but where you're living they might be rare.

If you feel you want the support of an SSRI, then bear in mind:

Prozac has been superceded by Seroxat and now by Nefazodone ('Dutonin' / 'Serzone') which has fewer side effects than the previous two and works much more gently. It is not specifically an SSRI type drug, but as with all SSRI's, four to six months of use should be followed by a break to assess the effects of the drug. SSRI's are supposed to influence in the long term the uptake rate of serotonin and due to the plasticity of the brain should permanently alter the neuro-chemistry of your grey matter. Any doctor who proscribes the drug as a permanent addition to your life doesn't know what they're talking about and shouldn't be trusted. Nefazodone (which may have a brand name in your neck of the woods - Dutonin or Serzone) is lauded as being a more specific than any other and greatly reduced side effects. You can read a little more about it here:
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/nefazodone.htm
and here:
http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-n05.html

I don't recommend 'tricyclic' drugs at all, nor monoamine oxidate inhibitors (MOAI's) - things like Nardil (market name) - since they tend to have adverse reactions with things like cheese. Adverse reactions can range all the way up to serotonin syndrome and death. These are old drugs, in any case, and chock full of side effects and dangers.

Don't think in any way that you are weak or abnormal for suffering from psychological disorders. Depression is sort of like diabetes of the mind. It's possible to treat both of them with behavioural changes or by resorting to a drug. Combining the two methods will often work synergistically and result in a managable long term cure after which you can stop medicating yourself and rely upon the freshly conditioned brain to carry you through.

Incidentally, anxiety and depression are not necessarily the same thing nor necessarily related to the same set of neurochemical disorders. You may, for example, suffer psychological depression as a result of a neuro-chemically based anxiety disorder.

But don't take any more Prozac. It's a naughty thing.

[Lightbulb]

is this a double post i see before me?

[This message has been edited by Lightbulb (edited 03-20-2001).]

[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Everyone else... heres a question for you... do you think sanity is defined by ones actions or by ones thoughts?[/B][/quote]

Okay Darlin
you obviously didn't agree with me on animals killing vs humans killing
but my opinion on this topic stems from the same root.

Take a simple thought: "It is cold."

What does it mean?
Are You cold?
Or do you see something that looks cold.

Where did YOU get this thought?
From exposure to the atmosphere?
Ever stand in a warm house and look out the window and think "it is cold"?

Regardless how you arrived at this point you now believe "It is cold."
If you and I are sitting in a warm room and you can't stop thinking its cold, you have a problem.
The problem is you aren't going to react to your environment in your best interest or mine.
Something was interpretted by your brain as associated with cold.
The physical reaction is derived from the application of the interpretation.

Luckily for you, everyone has crazy thoughts.
(Bad thoughts that would get you arrested.)
But they are harmless unless you find it applicable to act on them.

You can be goaded to act under stress or in times of anxiety. This is where learned restraint comes in.
I always use the whole "Do unto others..." crap.
Or you can act out with out goading or restraint.
Normally, to my understanding, this is learned.
You see someone else act out.
Sometimes, I am told, it is not.

I as of yet have found no instance where I had to act out directly on unfounded thoughts.
However this restraint requires that you release it somewhere else.
That is your responsibility.

I think I saw RW release some restrained insanity once or twice.....
But I was pretty drunk at the time.

[Deadpool]

I run. I enjoy running at the park near my house, its like a little forest. Its quite intresting...lotsa wildlife, ducks, coyotes, whatnot.. I enjoy running because it gives me a runners high. Its like feeling of well being. Try it sometime.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Wow... thanks heaps lightbulb... that was really informative. I am glad that more natural stuff is working for you, that is really cool. I would like to say that I am confident that I can get through this on my own, but I don't want to run the risk of saying or doing anything detrimental to my sons welfare, and seeing as how last week I could barely drag myself out of bed to face the day, I guess I need help.

Anyway... Im going to check out that stuff, I should mention that I over produce seratonin, I can't eat cheese, chocolate, oranges, broadbeans, bananas, etc with out adverse effects... so that is why the inhibitors were prescribed, now I don't seem to have the problem so much any more, as it was mostly due to prolonged and excessive use of drugs, which I no longer use - but other psyche medication possibly screws with it... I don't know much about this shit... I guess I should learn http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

Although, technically, I have a chemical imbalance, it does not effect my life in any visible way (usually) - I am fairly certain that my 'madness' at the moment is due to way too much stress... I just have so much to deal with at the moment that it makes my brain ache http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif and I have got to the point where I am being entirely too nihilistic about it - "I'll never be able to deal with it all, so why fucking bother" kind of thing, and I know that that is merely an attitude that needs to be changed, but I can't seem to do so at the moment.

That extra information could be very helpful though, if you are still willing. You can PM me it or email to MuffyTheVampyreLayer@hotmail.com

Another one of the problems with me and drugs is that I am on the 'If this person comes to you looking for drugs which alter the mental status - don't take them seriously' list. And that is a very hard stereotype to shake... I was forced in to that random testing for drugs thing with the threat of institutionalisation due to my addiction. That was a really good thing at the time, but now it seems to just be a big black mark against me.

God... I sound like a right fuck up don't I. heh. Oh well, I have a past to live down and I will eventually, providing it dosn't keep coming back to haunt me.

But anyway, the point being, Dr's tend to screw me around and treat me like a flake, which may be why they never explain these things to me properly.

Thankyou though, the comment about how I should not feel abnormal for having this sort of thing makes me feel a lot better... you kind of expect your 'friends' to say that, but it means so much more coming from a relatively impartial party.

Thanks.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:
Okay Darlin
you obviously didn't agree with me on animals killing vs humans killing
but my opinion on this topic stems from the same root.

Take a simple thought: "It is cold."

What does it mean?
Are You cold?
Or do you see something that looks cold.

Where did YOU get this thought?
From exposure to the atmosphere?
Ever stand in a warm house and look out the window and think "it is cold"?
I am starting to think that maybe the two of us are just on completely different wavelengths... thats ok...you can blame my insanity if it makes you feel better http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif
I feel cold because of the weather, usually, an effective cure is to put on a jersey, or turn up the heater. If I look outside and it seems to be a cold day, yet the house is warm, I think 'golly gee, it LOOKS like a cold day' and I make sure to take my coat with me.

Regardless how you arrived at this point you now believe "It is cold."
If you and I are sitting in a warm room and you can't stop thinking its cold, you have a problem.
As mad as I may be, I am still fairly rational about the weather http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

The problem is you aren't going to react to your environment in your best interest or mine.
Something was interpretted by your brain as associated with cold.
The physical reaction is derived from the application of the interpretation.
Well, ahh, no. My physical reaction to the cold is derived from my senses. Now, if we were talking about my physical reaction to people DEMANDING me to do stuff (ie, I respond agressively and sometimes irrationally) then you might have a point http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

Luckily for you, everyone has crazy thoughts.
(Bad thoughts that would get you arrested.)
But they are harmless unless you find it applicable to act on them.
Which is precisely why you need an actus reus to back up any mens rea before you can get arrested. Lucky for everyone else that I only occasionally act on my crazy thoughts.

You can be goaded to act under stress or in times of anxiety. This is where learned restraint comes in.
I always use the whole "Do unto others..." crap.
Or you can act out with out goading or restraint.
Normally, to my understanding, this is learned.
You see someone else act out.
Sometimes, I am told, it is not.
Are you talking about abuse cycles etc?... personally I think those are a load of crap and just an excuse for weak minded individuals not willing to take responsibility for their own actions.

I as of yet have found no instance where I had to act out directly on unfounded thoughts.
How exactly do you act on an unfounded thought? You can react irrationally to an established thought, but I would think action without thought at some level, base or otherwise, was impossible....Wouldn't you be catatonic?

However this restraint requires that you release it somewhere else.
That is your responsibility.[B]
I know.

[B]I think I saw RW release some restrained insanity once or twice.....
But I was pretty drunk at the time.

Heh, now THAT, I would pay to see http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

[/quote]

[Lightbulb]

Muffy

Just a quick addendum, cause I'm pushed for time, but if you overproduce serotonin you should never have been proscribed an SSRI like Prozac in the first place, since SSRI's inhibit the uptake (breakdown) of serotonin. This would lead to anxiety. I see why you might be require an MAOI.

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/serotonin.htm is a useful guide.

More later.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Funny you should say that, because dispite how little I know about this crap, I thought that seemed bloody logical myself.

But - It was actually the prozac that made me apathetic.

[Raven]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Everyone else... heres a question for you... do you think sanity is defined by ones actions or by ones thoughts?[/quote]

What do you think Muffy?

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Raven:
What do you think Muffy?

[/quote]

Lol.. trust you to turn it around on me Raven http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Nice to see you by the way.

I am actually unsure. I think to be held to be insane, you must do something wacky, which requires action. But I also think that their are people who walk around quite psychotically, yet do not act on it.

My own thoughts disturb me frequently (which is apparently a good thing! start to worry when I get too comfortable with the idea of clotheslining every skateboarder I see http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif)but my actions are...not so disturbing.

I think that for practical reasons though, insanity has to be defined by action, otherwise, as someone pointed out, we would all be crackers http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif.

To some extent, I think sanity/insanity is all to do with how well you cope with reality and social convention. I can only hope that I live long enough and become wealthy enough to be called 'eccentric'.

[Bishop]

Personally I feel like insanity isn't defined by ones actions, but instead is defined by ones thoughts. You can TEACH yourself to ignore the insanity in your head to be a "normal" person and to fool those who scrutanize you for it. That is, unless you're an over the top full-on lunatic who bites the heads off puppies and runs around wearing a saran wrap toga claiming to be the god of cardboard. Even then, is it an act for another motive?

My point is, as arrogant as people can be in thinking they know something inside and out... you simply cannot go inside someones head to know what they are actively thinking. You only see from their actions, actions that CAN be controlled even if abnormal thought dictates against it.

Here's an example: For all you know, *I* am an insane person. People have called me nuts before and undoubtfully will again. The truth is, however, i've been told I am nuts, because I act like I am, not because I believe in what I do as an action of seriousness. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

What he said. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Raven]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
I can only hope that I live long enough and become wealthy enough to be called 'eccentric'.[/quote]

To live up to the latter you will (fortunately / unfortunately) have to yield to some of your gnawing impulses.

Inevitably, your mental state will be scrutinized / based and compared to the social psychological 'normality' you bare, then rationality / irrationality appraisal to determine psychological 'abnormality'.

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

And the happy thought of the day was brought to you by Raven folks....

*walks off thread grubling*

[MAC]

Well you don't sound crazy.

So what's really the problem?

Is someone telling you your crazy?

Or is it just an option?

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Did you READ the thread?

Bah... any way... in answer to your question, if only mad people supposedly need drugs, then yes, Im mad. Personally I think I am as sane as anyone else I know, and saner than some. I also think I am having issues damnit!!!!... Im not coping.. blah.. etc.

The day I stop thinking, shoot me. Until then, my madness will be expressed in bouts of depression and compulsive behaviour... and sex... I have sex issues... but lets not go there OK.

[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Did you READ the thread?
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Actually, I am Illiterate.
My mom has to read all these posts to me and I tell her what to type....

Shit Fuck Bitch Cunt Cock

(come on that made you laugh...)




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Sit down Redneck!