Big Thunks

[Koliedrus]

Big Bang, God, Abortion, Soul/No Soul...

Here it is. Do your best.

Go.

[Koliedrus]

Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!
There are a lot of things that I don't understand that I believe are true. I would never have believed that you could get a 747 off the ground. I don't understand it, but I see it's true. The same applies with a refrigerator. I'm amazed how a box can stay cold like that. I cannot comprehend that the universe goes on forever... and I cannot comprehend that it could end. But I believe it exists. But I don't have blind faith--not in science and not in religion. I either have to see in or believe in a proof. Show me the money! I need empirical proof. Just because I read about how the universe began, doesn't mean I have to believe it. I don't believe in evolution either; however, I believe in adaptation. And I don't believe in god because I see no evidence for it. In fact, I see just the opposite. I also know that I'm not of above average intelligence. So maybe I am missing something. But, deep down, I don't think so. I truly and honestly believe that the Big Bang theory will not exist in 10 years. But I am unable to prove anything. I do not have that ability. The truth remains that the greatest mathematicians in the world cannot write out a proof that 1 + 1 = 2. And, as yet, not one person can explain how the universe got here. And if it wasn't always here, then what was here before it arrived? And if space goes out and then turns back into itself, what's outside of it? These are questions we all have... and which cannot be answered... at least yet.

[Koliedrus]

First, I'll have to contradict your claim of being below average intelligence.

Let's see if we can answer some of your questions. I'll stand down while opinions are provided. Keep in mind that my own opinions are just that.

[skalie]

1 + 1 = 2, is an assumption.

Some things have to assumed to go furthur, or else you wont be able to see through the windows of vision without wondering why they don't return to sand upon cooling.

Did I just say that?

[TotalAnarchy]

Each fragment of science is built on a deck of cards, that, if one is pulled, a whole lot fall down, because these cards are assumptions, and other assumptions are built on them.

I believe in the Big Bang.

I also have faith in God.

Science and Faith are not rivals. Science is a tool, not an end, not a meaning.

It can give the what, sometimes, perhaps even the how, in technical terms, the who, but why? I mean, a philisophical why? It doesnt. People inference and use things that science finds to make their own philosophies and religeons from it, but thats them.

I have faith that God created the world. The exact specifications of 'how' are not spelled out. It did not say whether it took him 1 day in our time or a million years. It did not say whether he caused events to make the world, which is still creating it, as he created all, and put events together, or whether he just created it like that *snaps fingers*.

Science tends to lean towards the former. Thats fine.

Evolution I dont believe in.

evolution I do.

See the little 'e' in the evolution I believe in? I believe that you can get varied types of animals in nature, such as different breeds of horses. Thats just genes and breeding.

However, I do not believe that man came from an ameoba.

Now this could conflict with the 'Big Bang' theory, but it doesnt really, as Evolution is not completely reliant on the Big Bang, or either way.

Anyway. Enough for now.

[MAC]

Allow me to fire up the analogy machine and see what I can add to this conversation.

If you don't own a car you probably ride in one or on a bus or sumthin.

If I gave you tools and time could you take it apart and explain to me how it works?

To some degree right?

But could you explain all the engineering that went into it?
Why the wheels are located where they are and how much further they could be moved without causing problems with operation and structure?
Can you, from examining one vehicle and all its thousands of pieces, tell me about the evolution of technology that led up to it and all the details of the many branches involved?

Even the most mechanically astute fellow around her would find some part where he says
"I don't know. It just works that way"

We, as a species, developed cars in the last hundred years or so and many men put all their knowledge into each component. They did so by learning what worked and what didn't. They applied what they knew from other technologies and they actually had to make up some stuff as they went.

Trust me when I say that studying the universe is no different.
We are trying to disassemble a machine while its in operation and find out

how it works

why it works this way

how much you can do with its rules

how did it evolve to be the thing we see before us

In your life time you may get to see one piece examined.
In a couple lifetimes you may see a group of things applied and working in one instance.
In a dozen lifetimes you may get to see a dozen pieces assembled as an applicable model that works correctly...most of the time.

But there's this point where you simple know it works.
Until you find out why, you have to use faith and lessons learned.

My question is
Why do we feel the need to unwrap and undestand the bindings of the universe?

The only end goal, boys and girls, is that we intend to build our own.

How else do you get to be God?

[Koliedrus]

That would be a good analogy, MAC, except for one tiny detail; I don't believe in automobiles.

[mute]

God god god god, maybe he's not called God to someone pondering on a planet in the Orion Belt.

So riddle me this,
God makes our path. I think of God as everything, so I am God and you are too. God isn't anything special. In a whole God is powerful because it is everything.

I dunno about that Bible stuff, but it makes somewhat sense. Jesus Christ a messenger from God to warn us? (something like that) It's starting to make sense these days. But he does not watch over us.

Or does he?

Myth has it there was a 'man' who came from the heavens years ago. Back when the Earth was nothing but a hunk of rock. He was lost and had no memory of where he came from. He had a feeling of banishment.

He created life on this planet. He created evolution. Through that he finally created himself. He created what we call human beings. He was searching for reasons. Where he came from, what he was, why he was here. Who he was.

Purpose.

The life he created has gained a power of it's own, patience is being lost.

Still in the workings inside my head. I just felt like rambling on there :p