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Pianomahnn
03-20-2002, 03:08 PM
I have a hard time comprehending the vastness of space. I just can't accept endless. Every tangible thing I can think of ends at some point, somewhere.

Help me.

Escape Artist
03-20-2002, 03:16 PM
Grab a small boat, dump it clear in the middle of the Atlantic, start paddling for civilization...that's what space is ultimately like except on a much bigger scale.

Asmodeus
03-20-2002, 03:21 PM
Yup, what he said...

I have difficulty trying to figure out the modus operandi of some people- why they do what they do even when what they do is to the worst thing they could be doing to themselves. Course, that may be one of those things that I am NOT suppose to know.

That's about a pennie's worth.

Koliedrus
03-20-2002, 03:48 PM
Start small. Be the nucleus of the atom. Say, "ommm, I am Hydrogen."

You're electron is orbitting you five miles away (I think that's right). Millions of neutirinos pass between you and your electron like specks of dust.

Ah, just go to

PowersOfTen (http://www.powersoften.com/).

Don't type it in lowercase. It'll still work but "powersoften" might make your weenie sad.

Pianomahnn
03-20-2002, 04:31 PM
Yeah, see, still no.

ea, your little example is not win. The ocean ends. I would come in contact with something beyond it.

There is nothing beyond space. And even if there was, what would be beyond that thing that is beyond space?

Bah. :(

Escape Artist
03-20-2002, 04:42 PM
Ok, I may be wrong here regarding space, if so correct me...

The Earth is round. Now, assuming you had an ocean that went all the way around, you could conceivably end back up where you started with enough paddling.

If I remember correctly, space is the same in that it curves back.

Pianomahnn
03-20-2002, 04:48 PM
What is beyond space then? Think of a sphere in a cube. The sphere will touch the walls of the cube at 6 points. Everywhere else on the sphere, there is something between the sphere and the walls of the cube, air, maybe some goo, anything other than the sphere or the cube itself.

Kinda see where I'm going here?

Pianomahnn
03-20-2002, 04:53 PM
An image to show my idea...

Escape Artist
03-20-2002, 04:56 PM
Think about this:

atom > molecule > rubber ball > planet it's on > solar system > galaxy, etc..

Now, imagine Earth being the atom.

:)

estero
03-20-2002, 05:23 PM
This is just a small thing, but how the hell did Helen Keller learn to communicate when she was blind and deaf FROM BIRTH. I think she was anyway. HOw the hell was that possible??????

Pianomahnn
03-20-2002, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Escape Artist
Think about this:

atom > molecule > rubber ball > planet it's on > solar system > galaxy, etc..

Now, imagine Earth being the atom.

:)

You must not think at the high level I do. :p

Escape Artist
03-20-2002, 05:36 PM
Pbbbbt.

Koliedrus
03-20-2002, 06:11 PM
The froth of the Metaverse.

It's still a concept, P-mahn, but it's on that can be understood without having an extenstive mathematical or philosophical background. Another example of science and theology coming together.

Think of tidal foam. Each bubble winks in and out of existence in the blink of your eye.

There's a possibility that our universe is like one of those bubbles and there is an ocean full of bubbles that exist at the same "time" as ours does.

A possibility, mind you. This is just one theory that humankind has conjured up from what we're able to observe and comprehend.

You seem to be asking, "how big is BIG?"

I can't answer that. I'm unable to comprehend the distances that are only now becoming "places" that might actually exist.

Ask a big question, get a big answer.

MuffyTheVampyreLayer
03-20-2002, 07:21 PM
I don't have a problem with space - I can not for the life of me comprehend how some parents can take their own childrens lives - at all. What the hell are they thinking when they do such a thing?

mute
03-20-2002, 08:38 PM
It's kinda easy to realise there is an 'end' for us humans, and there also isn't.

We could be stuck on this god damned rock for the rest of our existance, 'cause ya know this planet ain't gonna survive forever, neither will the Sun. But if we started using technology for survival and not war, well the possibilities could be endless.

We haven't reached many places in space exploration. The farthest we have travelled is the moon. And to relate to the whole scale of things, that's not that far at all. Mars is our next goal, and that's still not that far when relating it to the size of the universe we've discovered, so far.

We are so small, yet this planet is so huge to us. Think of it like this. We inhabit this tiny planet, that dwells in a solar system. That solar system is in a galaxy full of tons and tons of other stars, with millions(I dunno actually) of other planets. This galaxy our solar system is in, is part of a local group with other galaxies nearby that is about 3 million light years big.

Do you know how long 3 million light years is?

That local group is part of local supercluster that has many many more galaxies in it. Think of how big that space is? And all this information on these galaxy clusters is still very incomplete. All we have I think is pictures.

Just thinking about all the possibilities and life these galaxy clusters hold is endless, not literally. What's beyond those is the question.

The thing that gets me isn't the thought of endless, it's the nothing that's in space. The dark black nothing behind the stars at night. Is there a spot in the Universe where no light can be seen?

Ack, I guess you could say the thought of endless gets to me. I'm starting to think too much, fuker :p

Rabble Rouser
03-20-2002, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Kaye
This is just a small thing, but how the hell did Helen Keller learn to communicate when she was blind and deaf FROM BIRTH. I think she was anyway. HOw the hell was that possible??????

Funny you bring that up...I was just thinking of it earlier today.

I don't get it.

Billyman
03-20-2002, 09:37 PM
Somewhere in the midst of all this I think I got stuck in goo. :(

Damn you P-mahnn!:mad:

The number of things I cannot comprehend is incomprehensible.

I guess number one on my list would be: How some people think, either it be udder ridiculous or just plain amazing. Some peoples minds just blow me away.

AcidzCraze
03-21-2002, 02:48 AM
Good post PMan.

I have a few things that I can't comprehend.

1)How when you ask someone to donate a dollar to the march of dimes to help save babies, and they decline. Sure, there are some that may of already donated to another sponser supporting the same thing. But the consistancy of this drives me MAD. A fucking DOLLAR! Rahrr.

2)How humans are selfish. I firmly believe that money is not the root of all evil, but selfishness. I too, am guilty of this. But it is beyond my understanding how we will manipulate people with seemingly good motives to ensure that we will get the outcome we want. "Love is not selfish." This was engrained in my childhood thinking thanks to the wonderful Bible. So why is it that those who claim they 'love' you, do selfish things? A contridiction in itself that drives me bonkers. And if your one of those few and far between that doesn't have to make a conscious effort to be selfless, god bless you. Because I look around and see the majority falling into the opposite catagory. So this leads me to question... is love truely selfless? Or is it that most are not capable of 'true love'? Does a conscious effort have to be made to love a child? Because there are many selfish parents breathing and breeding today.

3)Another thing... I can't understand why society as a whole has progressed to the 'clean freak' and 'overly hygenic' status. Before I get carried away with this, I want to clarify that I am a very hygenic person. It's on the top of the list when considering someone to date. However, as I look around and see; perfume, deodorant, shampoo, scented femine products, anti-bactieral soap, powerful cleaners to kill germs, douche products.. etc etc etc.. It makes me wonder what the catalyst was for this approach. Surely the cave-man did not feel the need to douse himself with Cool Water cologne before he went to drag his woman off. What was the pivatol point and why? Was it marketing? A way to make money? We've all heard how mothers should cut down on the 'no germ' policy that they crack down on. It is proven that it can actually be *harmful* to a child's health to over-clean them. When we do this.. we are prepping our bodies to be more fragile in the future, thus causing a degeneration in reguards to our life-span and potential health. When will it end? Why did it ever start?

4)Intuition. Why people are cursed with it. Particuarly the kind I'm cursed with. The most recent wreck I was involved in, I knew the whole day that I or someone close to me was going to get into a wreck. I went so far to tell my roomate to be careful when she drove because I had the sneaking suspision that something was going to happen. When I went out with a friend of mine, I went as far to ask him to drive.. but he declined. On the drive back home BAM. The hood of my car is crushed. A friend of mine went climbing in Mexico a few months ago. He felt that something terrible was going to happen on the way down there. One of his friends broke his ankle while climbing.

So.. This leads me to question the purpose of intuition. Do we have it because we can change something? Or do we have it to just be tormented? I drove carefully that day I had the feeling.. but obviously not careful enough. It would seem that the outcome is invevitable. In every case that I've had a sense of what was going to happen, I've never been able to do anything about it. So if it is indeed going to happen.. why the fuck am I cursed with the impending feeling of dread? And if something CAN be done about it.. what the fuck am I doing wrong?

Hmm.. wow.. I surely did go off on a rant.

*wrinkles her nose*

Princess_Heather
03-21-2002, 03:20 AM
Originally posted by Kaye
This is just a small thing, but how the hell did Helen Keller learn to communicate when she was blind and deaf FROM BIRTH. I think she was anyway. HOw the hell was that possible??????

How did you learn that the noises your parents made at you meant anything?

Helen learned what movements meant the same way. There were some things she could never truly understand, like light and color and music, but she could memorize enough stuff about them to communicate with other people.


The human drive to communicate can overcome just about anything. The unknown powers of the brain are amazing.

People with no hands learn how to write and type with their feet.

Helen never cared what color your shirt was, she just wanted to feel it.

Pianomahnn
03-21-2002, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by AcidzCraze


3)Another thing... I can't understand why society as a whole has progressed to the 'clean freak' and 'overly hygenic' status. Before I get carried away with this, I want to clarify that I am a very hygenic person. It's on the top of the list when considering someone to date. However, as I look around and see; perfume, deodorant, shampoo, scented femine products, anti-bactieral soap, powerful cleaners to kill germs, douche products.. etc etc etc.. It makes me wonder what the catalyst was for this approach. Surely the cave-man did not feel the need to douse himself with Cool Water cologne before he went to drag his woman off. What was the pivatol point and why? Was it marketing? A way to make money? We've all heard how mothers should cut down on the 'no germ' policy that they crack down on. It is proven that it can actually be *harmful* to a child's health to over-clean them. When we do this.. we are prepping our bodies to be more fragile in the future, thus causing a degeneration in reguards to our life-span and potential health. When will it end? Why did it ever start?


I have found this quite a danger. All these anti-germs/bacterials and medicines, and soaps. They do nothing but weaken immune systems and make stronger germs.

I make it a point to not use pills, or anything that could screw natural balances up.

I'm also pissed that I can't get a freaking medium-rare hamburger anymore. If people could just fight off that little bacteria, I would be fine. But NOOOOOO they have to be all weak stomached. Bah!!!!!!

That went a lot worse than I intended...my brain is somewhat fried right now. bleh :(

Escape Artist
03-21-2002, 04:16 AM
I rarely, if ever get sick.

Cruise Director
03-21-2002, 04:39 AM
Things I can't comprehend:

1. Why my local bank has a drive up ATM with Braille on it.

2. Why do we yell "duck!" when something is coming towards your head. Why not "pig!" or "moose!"

3. Why would anyone lower a pickup truck?

4. Breast reduction! What the fuck is up with that?

5. People that use psychic hotlines

6. Kids wearing their pants with their underwear hanging out ( yes, I'm old. )

7. Why did they outlaw lawn darts. It was natural selection.

8. That gymnastic "sport" with the ball and the ribbon.

That's just a few

MAC
03-21-2002, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by Princess_Heather


How did you learn that the noises your parents made at you meant anything?

Helen learned what movements meant the same way. There were some things she could never truly understand, like light and color and music, but she could memorize enough stuff about them to communicate with other people.


The human drive to communicate can overcome just about anything. The unknown powers of the brain are amazing.

People with no hands learn how to write and type with their feet.

Helen never cared what color your shirt was, she just wanted to feel it.

Holy shit

Heather just made some tremendously profound sense

Keep this up PH and I'm gonna doubt that you are some pretty girl's 14 year old sister who hates her and posts to get even with her parents for being unfair in their affection.
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What I cannot comprehend...

why I get this feeling I have already thought the thoughts you put in my head.

Its why I quit reading...seriously...

BTW: EA's boat example plays out well enough, You'd most likely die or believ you'd die before you reached land. that's the point of infinity...believing you cannot cross it alive.

SimpleSimon
03-21-2002, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by AcidzCraze
Good post PMan.

........(snip)
4)Intuition. Why people are cursed with it. Particuarly the kind I'm cursed with. The most recent wreck I was involved in, I knew the whole day that I or someone close to me was going to get into a wreck. I went so far to tell my roomate to be careful when she drove because I had the sneaking suspision that something was going to happen. When I went out with a friend of mine, I went as far to ask him to drive.. but he declined. On the drive back home BAM. The hood of my car is crushed. A friend of mine went climbing in Mexico a few months ago. He felt that something terrible was going to happen on the way down there. One of his friends broke his ankle while climbing.

So.. This leads me to question the purpose of intuition. Do we have it because we can change something? Or do we have it to just be tormented? I drove carefully that day I had the feeling.. but obviously not careful enough. It would seem that the outcome is invevitable. In every case that I've had a sense of what was going to happen, I've never been able to do anything about it. So if it is indeed going to happen.. why the fuck am I cursed with the impending feeling of dread? And if something CAN be done about it.. what the fuck am I doing wrong?

Hmm.. wow.. I surely did go off on a rant.

*wrinkles her nose*





The purpose of intuition is quite simple, really. It is your future self advising you of impending disaster. Think how much worse that wreck would have been had you not been driving extra caredully that day.

mute
03-21-2002, 05:11 AM
clean freaks! exmaple,
i drop a chip on a clean floor, i pick it up after being there for less than 2 seconds and eat it because i'm too lazy to walk over to the trash can to throw it out...

is that a bad thing?

i also don't understand why someone would want to lower a pick up truck as well...

MAC
03-21-2002, 05:49 AM
Mute,
sometimes I just wanna put my arm around your shoulders and look at the world from right next to you....

:)

MuffyTheVampyreLayer
03-21-2002, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by theMAC



Keep this up PH and I'm gonna doubt that you are some pretty girl's 14 year old sister who hates her and posts to get even with her parents for being unfair in their affection.

You know, I had EXACTLY the same theory. Scary.

Princess_Heather
03-21-2002, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by theMAC


Holy shit

Heather just made some tremendously profound sense

Keep this up PH and I'm gonna doubt that you are some pretty girl's 14 year old sister who hates her and posts to get even with her parents for being unfair in their affection.


Haha - Remember when everyone was convinced that I was really a perverted old man?

Rabble Rouser
03-21-2002, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Cruise Director


4. Breast reduction! What the fuck is up with that?



Trust me...if you were like me and cursed with a large chest, you'd understand.

It does not make you feel attractive.

Koliedrus
03-21-2002, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Rabble Rouser


Trust me...if you were like me and cursed with a large chest, you'd understand.

It does not make you feel attractive.

I'll have to agree with Master. Her large chest does not make me feel attractive in the least. I see her point, though.

Hmm. In all honesty, I've never seen her point. Either of them. She waltzes down here, leans over my jar with her points out of reach of the arms I no longer have and all I can think about is the Brain Chow in her hand.

Sometimes it sucks to be me.

Escape Artist
03-21-2002, 01:37 PM
What I can't comprehend is how my life can be this fucked up on a consistent basis. If it's not one thing, it's another.

rage
03-21-2002, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Pianomahnn
I have a hard time comprehending the vastness of space. I just can't accept endless. Every tangible thing I can think of ends at some point, somewhere.

Help me.

I recently bought the Time Magazines "25 Mystery's of the World" or something like that. A very interesting read, I would suggest it to anyone wanting some food for thought. But, it has some different theories about the Universe, by some of the most brilliant scientists out there. When I get home, I will bust it out and post some of those for you. Some of them do deal with theories on the Multi-Verse, and how the universe is actually round - what is outside of it? nothing. (or so some of the theories go.)

Rabble Rouser
03-21-2002, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Escape Artist
What I can't comprehend is how my life can be this fucked up on a consistent basis. If it's not one thing, it's another.

I hear ya loud and clear.

*sympathy hug*

Rabble Rouser
03-21-2002, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Koliedrus


I'll have to agree with Master. Her large chest does not make me feel attractive in the least. I see her point, though.

Hmm. In all honesty, I've never seen her point. Either of them. She waltzes down here, leans over my jar with her points out of reach of the arms I no longer have and all I can think about is the Brain Chow in her hand.

Sometimes it sucks to be me.

You can always make me smile. :)

*pours brain chow into the jar*

Koliedrus
03-21-2002, 03:01 PM
Woo Hoo!

Now that I'm fed, I see your points.

There's a robe in the corner next to the stairs. Sorry for the slime trail. I had to use my eyestalks to get it up there.

Nice points, though.

*wags spine*



Peeps, shit does indeed happen. Handling it may not be pleasant but it's something you can do. Just wash your hands before you eat.

Keep going.

squee
03-21-2002, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Rabble Rouser
Trust me...if you were like me and cursed with a large chest, you'd understand.

It does not make you feel attractive.

I'm sure, and you'd be suprised at how depressing it is to have such a huge wang. Really. Just take my word for it :P

Deadpool
03-21-2002, 11:01 PM
Sometimes I just wonder..... how did I ever get so damn sexy?

hardcoredana
03-22-2002, 01:41 AM
Why does eating carrots make you more hungry?

Not as abstract as the whole infinite space thing, but this has been buggin me for some time now, and I really wanna know. Anyone?

jules
03-22-2002, 01:55 AM
Why does eating carrots make you more hungry?

Hrm. I've never had this problem. I always used to eat those little mini, pre-peeled carrot stick things when I was hungry. Mmmm.

GoFuckYourselves!
03-22-2002, 02:57 AM
I can't comprehend the unending universe. I can't comprehend "nothingness"; i.e., that at one time there was NOTHING. And, for that reason, I can't comprehend "The Big Bang" theory--which I believe to be totally false. I can't comprehend there being a "god", which I know there isn't. I can't comprehend evolution. And I can't comprehend my own existence. (I also can't comprehend having "perfect pitch".)

mute
03-22-2002, 03:35 AM
i can't comprehend greed, selfish, and umm fear...

like why am i afraid of bugs... i . hate... it.. when/// they fly at me or crawl on me(ants ain't bad).. err rWG@#$313d1
[edit: but i know mosts bugs cant hurt me, like a june bug... but but but :eek:.... im high as a kite]

Just wash your hands before you eat.

Keep going.

i don't wash my hands before i eat, and im ok :p

hardcoredana
03-22-2002, 04:00 AM
(I also can't comprehend having "perfect pitch".)

Me neither!!!! I don't have perfect pitch, but I do have relative pitch. What I don't get is that the pitches that we view as legitimate are culturally defined. For example, Japanese music uses different pitches than European/Western music does. That's what gives Asian music it's ethnic/foreign flavor. So if legitimate pitches are culturally defined (which they are), then how can someone have perfect pitch? Are we kidding ourselves into believing that Western music is universal? Would someone with perfect pitch still have perfect pitch if they were all the sudden listening to Asian music?

Mr. Snrub
03-22-2002, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by hardcoredana
Why does eating carrots make you more hungry?

Not as abstract as the whole infinite space thing, but this has been buggin me for some time now, and I really wanna know. Anyone?

Because they're so fucking tough to digest.

Mr. Snrub
03-22-2002, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by squee


I'm sure, and you'd be suprised at how depressing it is to have such a huge wang. Really. Just take my word for it :P

I can sympathize. They don't make coloured or flavoured condoms in large size. Fucking discrimination.

GoFuckYourselves!
03-22-2002, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by hardcoredana


Me neither!!!! I don't have perfect pitch, but I do have relative pitch. What I don't get is that the pitches that we view as legitimate are culturally defined. For example, Japanese music uses different pitches than European/Western music does. That's what gives Asian music it's ethnic/foreign flavor. So if legitimate pitches are culturally defined (which they are), then how can someone have perfect pitch? Are we kidding ourselves into believing that Western music is universal? Would someone with perfect pitch still have perfect pitch if they were all the sudden listening to Asian music?
You mean where "A" isn't 440? Either way, I would think "yes" they could call out the note, or the note closest to one on the piano. (I'm sure you're referring to all the notes in between, say, a Bb and a B natural.)

Did you know that if a person who has perfect pitch has an accident and bangs their head, they can lose their "perfect pitch" ability?

My piano teacher was in another room and I played a cluster of notes that you wouldn't believe! Something like an Ab, A, Bb, C, D#, E, theN skip an octave to an D, F#, G and a C#. AND HE CALLED OUT ALL THE NOTES PERFECTLY! I couldn't get over it!

Koliedrus
03-22-2002, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!
I can't comprehend the unending universe. I can't comprehend "nothingness"; i.e., that at one time there was NOTHING. And, for that reason, I can't comprehend "The Big Bang" theory--which I believe to be totally false. I can't comprehend there being a "god", which I know there isn't. I can't comprehend evolution. And I can't comprehend my own existence. (I also can't comprehend having "perfect pitch".)

Hmm. You can't comprehend so you judge it to be false. You contradict yourself.

Theory is just that. The Big Bang THEORY may indeed be false. On what do you base your conclusion? Enlighten.

Oh, and carrots don't sit in your gut like a cheeseburger. Your body takes what it needs and gets it outta there. To extend the analogy, eat a vitamin and drink lots of water. Good for your body but your stomach will nag you later.

GoFuckYourselves!
03-22-2002, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Koliedrus


Theory is just that. The Big Bang THEORY may indeed be false. On what do you base your conclusion? Enlighten.

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

Doesn't the Big Bang theory posit that at one time there was nothing and then there was a big explosion and the universe began?

That, simply put, seems idiotic to me. Maybe their "red shift" theory is not totally correct, either. Maybe a lot of their assumptions are totally false -- which I believe it is; just like the wrong notion that nothing travels faster than light. I see them simply stretching for great ideas.

"The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.

In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.

Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions. "

My prediction is that in 10 years, this theory will be shot full of holes.

Koliedrus
03-22-2002, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!


My prediction is that in 10 years, this theory will be shot full of holes.

Kudos if you're able to provide one of the bullets.

My question really deals with the subject of comprehension. You copy and paste like an expert but you admit that if you don't understand something, it isn't true. You claim to KNOW that there isn't a God. Hell, satisfy the questions we've been asking since the word "why" was conceived! Maybe your proofs can end wars.

I don't mean to jump on you. I have a way of looking at reality that seems to conflict with yours. I'd like to understand your point of view.

For the sake of this thread, let's begin another.

GoFuckYourselves!
03-22-2002, 09:09 AM
There are a lot of things that I don't understand that I believe are true. I would never have believed that you could get a 747 off the ground. I don't understand it, but I see it's true. The same applies with a refrigerator. I'm amazed how a box can stay cold like that. I cannot comprehend that the universe goes on forever... and I cannot comprehend that it could end. But I believe it exists. But I don't have blind faith--not in science and not in religion. I either have to see in or believe in a proof. Show me the money! I need empirical proof. Just because I read about how the universe began, doesn't mean I have to believe it. I don't believe in evolution either; however, I believe in adaptation. And I don't believe in god because I see no evidence for it. In fact, I see just the opposite. I also know that I'm not of above average intelligence. So maybe I am missing something. But, deep down, I don't think so. I truly and honestly believe that the Big Bang theory will not exist in 10 years. But I am unable to prove anything. I do not have that ability. The truth remains that the greatest mathematicians in the world cannot write out a proof that 1 + 1 = 2. And, as yet, not one person can explain how the universe got here. And if it wasn't always here, then what was here before it arrived? And if space goes out and then turns back into itself, what's outside of it? These are questions we all have... and which cannot be answered... at least yet.

Koliedrus
03-22-2002, 09:14 AM
NOW your talking :)

Here. I made a new thread (http://www.thehypertribe.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=5178) just for this. I'd be honored if you were the first to reply, GFY.

Sorry for the distraction, Peeps. Carry on, please.

GoFuckYourselves!
03-22-2002, 09:20 AM
Thanks, Koliedrus, but a) I need to get a few hours of sleep now and b) I think I've expressed my feelings above and there's no need for me to repeat myself. (If I were smarter than average, I might have a lot more to say... but I'm not and I don't.)

Thanks again, and

Goodnight.

hardcoredana
03-22-2002, 03:26 PM
You mean where "A" isn't 440? Either way, I would think "yes" they could call out the note, or the note closest to one on the piano. (I'm sure you're referring to all the notes in between, say, a Bb and a B natural.)

Well, yes and no. In Europe, especially eastern Europe (I think) all the orchestras tune their A to 444. I learned this when I was an undergrad music student, and a visiting orchestra from Prague brought a piano soloist. THey had to tune their orchestra to 444, and since our piano was tuned to 440, we had to tune our piano to 444.

But I was also talking about cultural music (like Japanese, Chinese, Middle Eastern music, etc.) where they don't have a note called "A", and where their legitimate notes fall somewhere in between ours. Not B-flat, but somewhere in between B and B-flat. I'm not talking about modern music, which has of course been influenced by Western music. I'm talking about real, authentic Japanese music.

jules
03-22-2002, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves! Matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

This bugged me for a while, too... how could matter just *appear*? I finally came to the conclusion that, as this is one of the "laws of the universe" and previous to this, there was no universe, the rules of such would not have to be applied. There was nothing for them to apply to. There might have been "laws of the nothingness", which allowed the creation of matter, but when the nothingness was eliminated, the universe's laws took over.

This, I can understand. It seems remotely possible. It's pleasing to my mind.

Make any sense?

Minimaul
03-23-2002, 05:03 AM
There is a lot of things I can't comprehend. Everything said previously in this thread , few right over my head.

Maybe I just don't care enough about anything , to...ah , give a shit. I've realized that "I don't care" has become my motto. And way of life. Or something.

I can't comprehend people that are constantly "happy." It's like , man , doesn't anything piss you off? Or make you think , that life isn't all that good?

I had this one friend , who was always happy. Kinda , just didn't have the same outlook as I did I guess. And allthough , I can't understand , why he doesn't . He feels the same about how I was(am).

At the same time , I was saying "you're weird , how can you be happy and shit all the time?" He was saying "man , you're always so sad , what the fuck? Cheer up bitch."


I don't know.

Space , time , eternity all that shit...confuses me. I can't understand it.

I don't know , i'm not a thinker.

late

mute
04-16-2002, 01:25 AM
To think, one day, life on this planet will be over. That one day the Sun will die. That one day the Milky way galaxy will dim and slowly die.

All that will actually take a long time, maybe cept the Earth part. Scary to think all this stuff we've discovered will be lost in time.