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Asmodeus
03-17-2002, 05:34 PM
What is the nature of thought? Is it just to think of interesting things to tell your friends so they will look up to you in awe and wonder? Or is thought the beginnings to ideas that better ourselves and our situations? A way of expressing doubts, assurances, and conflicts so as we can learn from them? Or is it a past-time for us to whittle away the dark hours of the night to keep our minds off of Keat’s “Lions, Tigers, and Bears”?

Nope and yes.

Thought is the evincing of dreams and making them reality. Thought is what drives us to the place where we want to go and who we want to be when we get there.

Thought originally is an idea. Then the idea expands and becomes a reality, or an institution. And that is my question: has the thought that has gone into this place become an institution? Cold, brittle, and humorless?

Just as thought is also a means to an end. A way to keep ourselves growing as individuals instead of stagnating into a reactionary fool- fearing change because in change, the fool knows that the simple life will change because the fool will have to think for itself. Being comfortable with the status quo, in this stance, is a terrible thing. A thing to be avoided.

Just as thought was given to this place, the Tribe. In the beginning, a thought was written down and then discussed by all- the good points along with the bad- to the betterment of the idea itself; where to take from the original point into new echelons of reasoning.

I hope I am not the only one here to say that I have learned alot about other people’s ideas and thoughts and how to understand them better.

Yet, I have found of late, more flaming than thinking going on. I do not hold myself above this recrimination, it is just an observation. Skalie and I have had our disagreements, that I freely admit. I wish it had not of happened, but it did. And just because he is a squid eating, swabbie, sailor boy, I don’t hold that against him. :D Just kidding.

What happened to the Tribe in general discussing ideas as per se equals? What happened when Kol would write something about the nature of reality and the Esther-Swartzchild terminus that surrounds us all, while the rest of us would scratch our heads and nod? What happened to MAC’s subtle allusions to a meaning greater than the mere words he used to express them? Or RW’s lack of respect for the government, with correlating points for reference, instead of just a tirade and everyone’s bashing of him thereof? Or my own little introspective ditties of nonsense for others to ponder the true meaning of?

Just as I can name but a few, there are many other examples of this of late. As I am sure each and everyone of you can attest.

Is this the evolution of thought as has been originally discussed by Aristotle and Zarathustra? A thought begins and goes through the critical thinking stage and changes, based upon the person’s own mind and experiences. The thought itself goes through evolution to better attune itself to the life or reality at hand.

Or is it that the idea evolves to suit their own fancy, be it for good or ill? I leave that to each of you to answer in your own ways and minds.

Are we no better then the masses to whom most of us hold at a distance?

Or is it the age old adage called a “pecking order” trying to re-assert itself? As Keat’s said to his brother, “...aggression and the energy they personify are fine.” Yet, he was unsure if the direction of those energies were pointed to the right medium.

Are our energies pointing in the right medium?

squee
03-18-2002, 04:08 PM
Asmodeus, I believe that thought is an end as well as a means. To paraphrase Gladiator, "..there once was an idea that was THT...so fragile you could only whisper it." I think this place has gotten stronger to the point where it can stand on its own. So certain things have indeed become institutionalized--for the better: they have become "the way we do business around here." I try to encourage them any way that I can because that kind of thing can always be lost; but thought I may disagree with lots of things people say, I agree with the spirit of free inquiry that motivates people to discuss things here.

That said...I have noticed a lot of drama, and I have noticed a little bit of flaming...but I prefer the way we do things here to other forums that I won't mention. Here I can bring up serious topics without getting ridiculed or labeled. Other places, you can't even discuss an issue without getting nailed.

MuffyTheVampyreLayer
03-18-2002, 10:52 PM
The mind can not flourish when it is opressed - and I think that there has been a lot of that around here until recently.

No - Im not trying to get a dig in - I'm just calling it as I see it.

MAC
03-19-2002, 02:12 PM
I will agree that creating an atmosphere of authoritarian oppressian stops the creativity. 100%.

I will add that when the worst is fed upon and then regurgitated it makes the best find other pastures.

BUt I believe that when a group of people is thinking...the people who have no intention of thinking will sit by quietly and be bored...and then leave.

Sometimes one of them begins to think and suddenly finds they have something to add and something to learn.

So as the saying goes
"show us your brain"

BTW:
I never allude.
I write.
You read.
You infer.
I am simply a poor communicator and that leaves lots of room on the canvas for your colors.
What I don't know about a topic is what you find hidden in what I did know.
And thats the truth.

rage
03-19-2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Asmodeus
Are we no better then the masses to whom most of us hold at a distance?


Nope. But I dont say that in the same way you are thinking most likely. Everyone thinks they are better than everyone else. This being a place that allows us to stretch our mind, and most of us being people that yearn to gain knowledge, gives us an advantage, and one up one many people, but I dont believe makes us any inherently better than the "masses that most of us hold at a distance."

Asmodeus
03-19-2002, 04:58 PM
That was meant for interpretation.

By holding "the masses" at a distance, the main point behind it was this: the majority of us here tend to like learning. We come here to read about things, ideas, happenings, etc so as we can learn and be better informed, etc.

What I mean by the masses are what RW calls sheeple. Those that go about their lives without learning anything new to them and their world. Those I tend to avoid for all they will do is try to drag you down to their level and it is a difficult climb to get out of that hole of un-reasoning.

I didn't mean it to say that I is the smertist pursen in the werld. Not at all(though I do have to say it does take some creative juices to figure out how to spell that atrociously). Though I am smerter than your average person, just as each and everyone of you are as well. We tend to R U N N O F T those that aren't.

Spill yer beans, open yer brains... keep'em coming.

mute
03-19-2002, 09:02 PM
with what you say, but I'm still tryng to think up something worth-while to input here...

All I can say is that thinking and thoughts are strange. Everyone is fucked up in their own way inside their mind, never to show it. You can never tell with anyone, even your best friend or loved one, what they are actually thinking.

Which makes me double-think about what someone says to me.

Lying.

But in here it's strange, because I think this is everyones real thoughts. Well these are my real thoughts.

Someone always has something to hide, even just a thought.

gone away
03-19-2002, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer
The mind can not flourish when it is opressed - and I think that there has been a lot of that around here until recently.


i think that's putting all our eggs in one basket, refusing to take responsibility

rogue's gone, and the way i see it things that took a dip of epic proportions are finally getting a little better....

patience and let the board have peace ya know?

MuffyTheVampyreLayer
03-20-2002, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by gone away


i think that's putting all our eggs in one basket, refusing to take responsibility


I would take my share of responsibility for the downward spiral, except Ive been banned for the last six months!

But I do know what you mean. I think.

Peace, love and mungbeans.