Ladies and gents, prepare to shake hands [Archive]

Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 01:37 PM

I haven't checked in a while but there's an international distribution site.

Here's how this stuff is gonna work.

You'll get the software and create a key pair; public and private.
You send the public key to someone and call them up on the phone. You both call up the key's fingerprint and one of you reads it off to the other. If they match, the recipient signs your key indicating that they're sure it belongs to you.

Ideally, the signed key is then sent to a public key server so that anyone can get your key and all of it's signatures.

Let's carry the idea one step further and save you some phonecalls.

Let's say the person you called is someone I've already contacted. Their key was signed by me and I'm sure they are who they say they are. I'm also sure that if they sign someone's key, confirmation was done.

When I get your key and see their signature on it, I can be sure that they are sure it's really your key. I can then add my signature to your key and send it to the server. ETC.

Trading keys can also be done via email or by storing them on a 'net file area.

No rush. Just keep up.

TotalAnarchy

03-16-2002, 01:48 PM

PGP is cracked.

Why do I say this?

Check out the lawsuit against PGP's makers. It was suddenly dropped in the middle (1995?), for no real reason.

Why?

Because you dont tell the 'enemy' that you cracked their code. And the lawsuit after tehy cracked it was a waste of money, really.

Why do they complain about PGP? Because people expect them to, its supposedly unbreakable. By using large prime numbers. Therefore the government should complain about it.

I wouldnt use PGP even if they paid me to.

Simpler codes prearanged between sender and user, such as a misquote, funny punctuation, a misspelt word, even a combination of words, makes it much safer, as it seems innoculous. Not encoded at all.

And safer too.

Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 01:53 PM

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Stuff doesn't have to be encrypted. The idea here is verification of
identity.

Who wrote this? Kol? Or is Kol cookied and Mrs. Kol wrote it.

EA can tell you.

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Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com>

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Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 01:56 PM

Another useful side effect is that anyone with my public key can verify whether the message above is in its original form or has been altered. Do that with a misquote.

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 01:56 PM

Once you install the program, go to Start>Programs> P G P> and select "PGPtray."

You should see a small lock appear on the lower right side of your taskbar, right click it to bring up the menu, and select PGPkeys.

http://www.thehypertribe.net/pgp/pgp2.gif

You'll see the PGPKeys window come up, click Keys>New Key, or hit Control+N to open the key generator dialog.

http://www.thehypertribe.net/pgp/pgp1.gif

It'll ask you for some info, such as email and name. use the default key generation settings, i.e. DSS and 2048 bit.

You don't want the key pair to expire, so leave that option checked.

Enter your passphrase, it'll be used to decrypt stuff you get. I'd suggest picking a word nobody knows about or ever will.

Inserted by Kol: the pass[b]phrase[/i] can include spaces. It's also case sensative. That means that your passphrase can be a quote but you should NEVER write it down or otherwise duplicate it. Keep the passphrase between your ears ONLY!

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Koliedrus
*** PGP Signature Status: good
*** Signer: Koliedrus <koliedrus@yahoo.com> (Invalid)
*** Signed: 3/16/2002 8:58:26 AM
*** Verified: 3/16/2002 9:02:26 AM
*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***

Stuff doesn't have to be encrypted. The idea here is verification of
identity.

Who wrote this? Kol? Or is Kol cookied and Mrs. Kol wrote it.

EA can tell you.

*** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***

TotalAnarchy

03-16-2002, 02:07 PM

All I am saying is that if you EVER, EVER, want to say anything confidential, dont use PGP. Unless you want the possibility of someone reading it.

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 02:08 PM

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Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 02:10 PM

Let's test this, EA.

Write a response, cut it, sign it, paste it.

Before you submit it, de-select all options below the "Your Reply:" area.

I get this:

*** PGP Signature Status: good
*** Signer: Koliedrus <koliedrus@yahoo.com>
*** Signed: 3/16/02 8:58:26 AM
*** Verified: 3/16/02 9:08:48 AM
*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***

Stuff doesn't have to be encrypted. The idea here is verification of
identity.

Who wrote this? Kol? Or is Kol cookied and Mrs. Kol wrote it.

EA can tell you.

*** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 02:13 PM

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That was intentional to prove who wrote that post. :)

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Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 02:18 PM

The text below says;

"So tell me what I wrote, TA."

Originally posted by Escape Artist
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Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Escape Artist
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That was intentional to prove who wrote that post. :)

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*** PGP Signature Status: bad
*** Signer: Escape Artist <escape85@earthlink.net>
*** Signed: 3/16/02 9:17:17 AM
*** Verified: 3/16/02 9:24:10 AM
*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***

That was intentional to prove who wrote that post.

*** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 02:22 PM

The only weakness in the PGP program is the people you encrypt it to giving it out, like Mushroom Man here. :)

Aside from that, if someone with the capability to crack it is coming after your ass, having your loveletters read will be the least of your problems.

TotalAnarchy

03-16-2002, 02:29 PM

Not me, fool. I dont happen to employ a few theoretical mathamaticians and cryptologists, specialising in quantum maths, not to mention supercomputers capable of processing such things.

But there are people that do, and that do own.

Those you be afraid of.

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 02:30 PM

Well, like I've said, if they're focusing on me, so you really think what I've encrypted is going to be that big a deal?

TotalAnarchy

03-16-2002, 02:35 PM

I'm saying that PGP is rather pointless if it can be cracked, and by cracked I mean cracked quickly, not as it was theorised before as taking every supercomputer twice the age of the universe to run down all the combinations.

Therefore, if you just want to send messages, regular e-mail is fine. No software required. And codes necessary can be aranged before. Much more safe, because it is much more innoculous.

Therefore I see little point in PGP itself.

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 02:37 PM

Can YOU crack it? Most people can't, and the intent of PGP is to keep info you don't want them to read hidden.

It's worked quite well for me so far.

Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by TotalAnarchy
Not me, fool. I dont happen to employ a few theoretical mathamaticians and cryptologists, specialising in quantum maths, not to mention supercomputers capable of processing such things.

But there are people that do, and that do own.

Those you be afraid of.

Ok. You're out. If you have sensative information that governments are seeking, I don't want it in my front yard.

Hmmmm. We may have to discuss policy issues concerning this. If an admin can't read it, it should be saved elsewhere and the post snipped.

Thoughts on that?

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 02:41 PM

Not sure on that one.

TotalAnarchy

03-16-2002, 02:45 PM

All I am saying is that encryption can be broken. You can't break a code that has no definate/real definition as such, or no complete encoding of any kind.

Therefore I put my trust in that long before I put it in something I am quite sure is compromised.

Note : This applies to anything more confidential than what you would readily tell all your co-workers/SO/Workmates about, or be bothered if they did. Or especially if a government institution did. Because PGP comes under automatic scrutiny under Carnivore and other web searching programs, and crunched, and spat out.

Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by TotalAnarchy
All I am saying is that encryption can be broken. You can't break a code that has no definate/real definition as such, or no complete encoding of any kind.

Therefore I put my trust in that long before I put it in something I am quite sure is compromised.

Note : This applies to anything more confidential than what you would readily tell all your co-workers/SO/Workmates about, or be bothered if they did. Or especially if a government institution did. Because PGP comes under automatic scrutiny under Carnivore and other web searching programs, and crunched, and spat out.

Message received.

Escape Artist

03-16-2002, 03:29 PM

baa.

Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 06:06 PM

Now, it's also important to keep in mind the trust factor here.

Lets say I get in contact with Stevie Hawking and trade signatures. Yay for me!

If I also trade key confirmation with Charles Manson, I'll sign his key. My signature on someone's key says nothing about my opinion of the person. It does allow others to know that I'm sure that the key I signed belongs to that person.

Kayla

03-16-2002, 07:33 PM

PGP, no matter how well designed, will always be destroyed by anyone who enjoys REing.

gnu, on the other hand, is good stuffs.

Use open source encryption.

Really.

I am caff.
Bye.

Uberwonder

03-16-2002, 08:08 PM

Hmmmm... I don't think I ever said anything important enough to be encrypted.

I sure as hell know I've never said anything that some hax0r in Des Moines could cause a problem with.

MuffyTheVampyreLayer

03-16-2002, 08:14 PM

I think I'll file this as one of those 'would be incredibly useful if I could ever figure out how to use it' things -

Short from emailing my internerd friends encrypted messages and laughing at their inability to decode them, I can't actually think of any practical benefits this would have for me at the moment.

Unless of course they hurry up with Sealand.....

Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 08:17 PM

Jesus! You guy's never built tree-houses or had Captain Crunch decoder rings did you?

MuffyTheVampyreLayer

03-16-2002, 08:21 PM

Who's captain crunch?

Koliedrus

03-16-2002, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer
Who's captain crunch?

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Just some media icon that made me shred the roof of my mouth while
getting hopped up on sugar while watching cartoons.

Ahh. I miss my youth.

For the hell of it, lemme sign...

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RiZZ

03-16-2002, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by RiZZ
Sorry...

We are unable to honor your download request either because we determined that your computer is not in North America or we were unable to locate it at all!

Torque

03-17-2002, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by Kayla610
PGP, no matter how well designed, will always be destroyed by anyone who enjoys REing.

gnu, on the other hand, is good stuffs.

Use open source encryption.

Really.

I am caff.
Bye.

This brings up a question for me. GNU is just a licensing method, not a manner of encryption. Are GNU implementations of IDEA, Diffie Hellman, and RSA algorithms inherantly more secure than those used in PGP, a different sort of open source software?
Maybe you aren't pleased about the digest methods used?

Encryption software's secrecy, integrity, and non repudiation abilities are a function of the algorithms used, the implementation around them, and the strength of the escrow system used.

Yes, any encryption within the world of public key exchange (and many methods of private exchange too) can be broken. The whole idea behind it all, as with the rest of the information security world is to make it not worthwhile. There may be some parties capable of breaking these methods Kol and others are discussing, but I would doubt that the use proposed here has raised the attentions of said parties.

It never hurt to have another tool in the toolbox. You just have to know the limits of the tool.

Kayla

03-17-2002, 01:45 AM

Caff-o:

I was referring to GNUPG, I think, at the time.
I'll reply more later.

Till...

Koliedrus

03-21-2002, 03:26 PM

Regardless, I'm in the process of shaking hands with someone. Kinda feels good :)

Escape Artist

03-31-2002, 11:18 AM

Top. :)

VenoM

03-31-2002, 11:28 AM

i'm learning so bare with me

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VenoM

03-31-2002, 11:34 AM

(|VenoM|): but mine doesn't look like ur or kol's posts
(ea_playing_game): i think j00 broke it, homes.
(ea_playing_game): :p

w3rd, ty ea

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Escape Artist

03-31-2002, 11:35 AM

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VenoM

03-31-2002, 11:41 AM

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pass: tht

Koliedrus

03-31-2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by VenoM
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pass: tht

Inirectly, that says, "VenoM Kicks Ass".

I'm paraphrasing.

MAC

03-31-2002, 02:05 PM

When writing you always start with an introduction so people know what you are writing about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ladies, Gentlemen, Forum Addicts, H4X0r5,

If someone REALLY wants to
hack you
decrypt you
break into your house

they will

so take all the locks off your doors and windows
cause the motivated guy is coming in anyway

infact

set all your valuables (and cheap personal momentos) in the front yard, cause you can't really protect them

sound good?

I think not.
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examplesville:

lets say I want to write kol a email all about a terrible experience I had cause he had a similar one and is a very supportive kinda guy

I type my little heart out and then enter

koliepus@blahblahblah.com

and there actually is some guy with that name who is a jackass h4X0r and now he has my email address and he knows about how terrified I am of gerbils or some shit

can you imagine some accidental instance like that?
I can imagine several.

here's another good one:
during our recent seperation my wife simply STOPPED talking to me (I ain't going into it) but suffice it to say that e-mail was the only way we had to communicate.
It was also the BEST form of communication becasue we couldn't interrupt.
Can you imagine if one of my hurting personal letters about our love and our daughter etc had been sent to the wrong place?

Moral of the story:

If it matters ENCRYPT it.
Average-Ivan-Internet can't decrypt it or use it against you unless you give him your key and password.

If the gov't wants it they'll get it.
Course they can just tap your fuckin phone or take your machine too.

So get over that crap and come back when you figure out a use for something simple, effective and free.

-theMAC-

Cruise Director

03-31-2002, 06:11 PM

I can't decrypt any of the messages in this thread.... Are they sent so that specific people can read them? This is starting to frustrate me. :)

VenoM

04-01-2002, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Koliedrus

Inirectly, that says, "VenoM Kicks Ass".

I'm paraphrasing.

ty bro. :)

Originally posted by Cruise Director
I can't decrypt any of the messages in this thread.... Are they sent so that specific people can read them? This is starting to frustrate me. :)

try this CD, conventional passphrase = tht

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