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Uberwonder
02-27-2001, 09:32 PM
Big Brother? The mark of the Beast?
This doesn't stand a chance in the US. Asking AMericans to go along with this would get no further than the talk a few years back of imbedding chips in citizens that would allow them to pay for things by scanning their hand.
As a people, we would find any sort of a forced registry to be contrary to the basic tenets of the constitution.
I seriously doubt if anyone could get even a few members of congress or the senate to consider proposing it. It would be political suicide.
Hell, it would be a battle just to get a proposal to do it to anyone convicted of a felony that has satisfied their debt for the crime. I bring that up because it was considered back in the 70's to have all living citizens that had been convicted of any felony at any point of their lives to register with tne National Crime Bureau (something like that). It went down in flames and they were just talking about felons!
I doubt that the people of the UK will bow to it either.

Minimaul
02-27-2001, 09:39 PM
Fuck them!

If they want that shit , they can suck my cock! I'm not going to let anyone else 'try' and control me . This is my fucking life , let me live it!

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Uberwonder
02-27-2001, 09:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Minimaul:
Fuck them!

If they want that shit , they can suck my cock!

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I suppose that would be one way of obtaining a dna sample.

Dog Breath
02-27-2001, 11:03 PM
Wow that's some scary shit.

Fucking brits telling us how much freedom they have! There is a good example of how controlled they are. They talk a good game but look at what is happening to them and not ONE story on the news I ever saw about it. They SOLD the database to a private company too! That is so wrong.

Like Uber said I think the opposition to this would be huge in the US. The "samples" will most likely be taken without our knowledge. Donate blood, they test it for AIDS. I am sure there is monetary motivation to freeze the "leftover" blood and sell the sample to someone cataloging that stuff.
Oh but it isn't an invasion of privacy to keep the blood without reading the DNA right? Bullshit, it is about intent. Why keep it on the shelf if you are never going to use it. Why did Clinton put up $40 million to Speed up the data collection? So it could be done before any one found out!

Ok they claim that race is not an issue. They say that one person's DNA is so similar to another that there is no scientific classification for race. Fucking lies! They are only saying that to calm the masses. They said "less than one tenth of a percent different" sounds like they have a point! Right? 99.9% the same is pretty much the same right? Here are two snippets from those articles.....

Scientists at for-profit company Celera Genomics and taxpayer-funded Human Genome Project claimed race is not part of science because their research, which was published in the most recent issues of scientific journals Science and Nature, showed that only one-hundredth of 1 percent of each human's genetic makeup is different.

"Any two humans on this planet are more than 99.9 percent identical at the molecular level. Racial and ethnic differences are all indeed only skin deep," said Eric Lander, director of the human genome sequencing lab at the Whitehead Institute, one of the major labs that contributed to the international Human Genome Project.

That could be good news, and perhaps a score against those who would use biological differences to promote racism.

And Then read this!!

"If you're a pufferfish you're doing pretty well," he said.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is the chimp. Since it's 99.9 percent genetically similar to humans, the small amount of DNA that differs between the two species promises to reveal important secrets about human evolution.

"The difference remaining between the chimp and the human are where those questions can be answered," Baylor College's Worley said.

Gee I guess 0.1% makes a BIG FUCKING DEAL!

Unless you think chimps are no different than humans. They are spewing out crap to support their cause. Saying that there is no scientific difference between races is a bold faced lie. If they are lying so blatantly about that do you trust those same well meaning lab nerds to not collect your DNA "for your own good". I certainly can't.

It is also interesting to note that the genetic code for specific genetic diseases varies between races. One of the articles stated that Cystic Fibrosis wasn't the same code between races.

OK why is a DNA database a bad thing? Here is a scenario that could take place with the samples they already have. A suspected terrorist group is being investigated. An agent procures a hair sample from crime scene search. The hair is mapped and in the interest of national security all of the males of Germanic decent with blue eyes dark brown hair between 5'6 and 5'7 in new your state are required to submit blood and hair samples. In the mean time why not detain this "small group for "public safety". A drop of blood from another member of the gang produces another sweep of Jews of east German decent etc.... Don't try to tell me the FBI / ATF or any other government agency is above that. Cataloged from birth and put into neat little groups. People will be convicted of crimes on DNA evidence alone.
Sorry sir you can't buy a gun because your drivers license says you are genetically disposed to be violent. Etc...


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gone~away
02-27-2001, 11:16 PM
suicide would come first.......

that shit is fucking disgusting.. i am VERY VERY angry about this.......

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Pianomahnn
02-27-2001, 11:29 PM
I would purchase numerous arms, and proceed to blow up every government institution in the United States if that every happens.

This goes way beyong my name and picture.

Can anyone say, GATTACA?

*I will think more of this later, right now my mind is focused on my countless hours of homework*

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Escape Artist
02-27-2001, 11:33 PM
I will have a gun soon....if they want my DNA they can take it from my cold, dead body.

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3MTA3
02-28-2001, 12:07 AM
Well...as a person who is currently on probation for the next few years...long story, Ill tell you if you want...I had my mouth swabbed right after I left the courtroom and sat down with my PO...I refused at first but she said the only one who could allow me to not have it taken would be the judge...and since I had just thrown myself on his mercy, I didnt want to disturb him again(my case isnt officially settled untill my probation is up, so he could blow a gasket and fuck my anus...I dont want that)...anyway, the Dept. of Justice already has almost every person who is under their supervision(people like me, actual caged criminals and juviniles, etc.) on their database...just thought youd like to know...

Anyway...I hate the idea cause I feel it is invasive...I dont invision Gattaca like Mr. Reactionary up there said but I do see them using it to solve crimes...at first...then I see a corp. getting their hands on it and using the info in some profitable manner...like doing probability tests on people for disease or mental illness and then selling the results off to inquiring minds...or something along those lines...whatever...Im incredibly apathetic right now...maybe Ill go to sleep...

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John the barstard
02-28-2001, 01:06 AM
Sadly DNA profiles are inevitable, they are already being used to clear/ convict people in rape/ murder cases the Netherlands.

There was once a furore over the introduction of photo ID's, an old fashioned point of view these days.

The follow up archive (?) about the Dutch nightclub (http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,39812,00.html) raises a good point, over 'automatic discrimination'.

Stevo
02-28-2001, 03:03 AM
what's the big problem here??

in most schools you have to give them medical information. Physical Profile and most times when you get your school photo taken it is filed away and sometimes sold to police for investigation. DNA.. Big fucking whoop. I'd give a sample if it was required.. but you guys have your reasons for being PARANOID. I'd love to see this sort of thing. It'd be nice knowng that criminals now have even less of a chance to get awat scott-free. That's all from me.

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Mudflap
02-28-2001, 03:21 AM
<FONT COLOR="Orange">I'm against a DNA database registry. I don't think it will come to pass here in the U.S.

When you think about it, if the govt. wants a sample of your DNA, do you think they would have any trouble obtaining it? I doubt it.

What of our military personnel? Do you think the govt. has already started a DNA database on them? When I enlisted in 1990, they got my fingerprints, dental x-rays, and a detailed list of my identifying marks, tattoos, etc. They also collect a blood sample. Who knows what they did with that blood.

A few years ago, I submitted to a DNA test to determine paternity. (The kid wasn't mine). Where are those records of my DNA now?

All I'm saying is, I won't have to put up a fight if the govt. wants my DNA. If they don't already have it, they can easily get it without even notifying me. I'm sure that can be said for the majority of the U.S. population.

Summary: We're fucked.</FONT c>

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King Bastard
02-28-2001, 03:33 AM
*racks a shotgun with one hand, looking cool while doing it*

fuck all this, lets just blow shit up. I'm fucking pissed right now. Between reading the shit in that link, and for more personal reasons.

Let us kill all of those asshole swho want to invade our lives in this way. Let us draw and quarter them using cars made in Detroit. lets us tring our lutes and guitars with the guts of these infidels. Let us bathe in thier blood, so our skin stays young and youthful *nods to Ms Bathory*

FUCK KILL MASSACRE!!!!!!!!!!

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Stevo
02-28-2001, 03:41 AM
Mudflap: The Blood sample you gave could well be used in a dna database the services have to identify bodies when no dental record or physical profile can ident the body. So... you have been filed.

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SisterTaffy
02-28-2001, 10:24 AM
I read the article and am shocked that this hasn't received more press than it has. Why isn't this on NBC, CBS, ABC news & CNN? I smell something foul and it isn't the stench of sin this time.

This makes me wonderabout something. How do we know that everytime we go to a doctor to have blood work or donate blood, that this hasn't been done anyway? Could you honestly say that it isn't beneath this Godly govt. of ours to have been doing such a thing for years?

I think DNA is a wonderful thing. However in the wrong hands it could be devastating. To think that some LIEberal doctor may have already took my blood and be working on a Sister Taffy clone outrages me.

In His name,

Sister Taffy

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MuffyTheVampyreLayer
02-28-2001, 11:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SisterTaffy:
This makes me wonderabout something. How do we know that everytime we go to a doctor to have blood work or donate blood, that this hasn't been done anyway? Could you honestly say that it isn't beneath this Godly govt. of ours to have been doing such a thing for years?

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well... it was discovered several years ago that this was EXACTLY what they had been doing in NZ for several decades... so you never know.

Rogue... not avoiding this thread... Im actually giving it some very serious thought...And, I was kind of curious to find out what the OR ELSE was http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

Koliedrus
02-28-2001, 12:20 PM
What was once fiction becomes reality once again. Issues such as this have been discussed years before the science surrounding them actually came into existance.

Along with human cloning, a genetic database is no longer an issue of debate; it will happen. How we use the abilities is our greatest concern. Personally, I think it's an invasion of privacy that has no equal to date but you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet.

I hope by now you have all at least heard of Arthur C. Clarke. Although science and society haven't matched his fictional futures, many have (can you say "satellite"?)

Clarke uses viable science and current theory to explore truly possible futures. His recent work ("The Light of Other Days", co-authored by Stephen Baxter) describe an invention that completely and utterly destroys the concept of privacy. The scary part is that the theories surrounding the concepts spawned the idea for the story, not the other way around.

To quote from the afterward of the book:

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"The concept of a 'time viewer,' though venerable, has been explored only sparingly in science fiction...

Today the notion has the first glimmers of plausability, offered by modern physics..."
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In essence, the invention described in the strory allows anyone to view any place at any time.

Look in the air around you. See those sub-atomic wormholes? Of course you don't. They may already be there, though, and our children's children may be watching us.

DNA database? PSHAW.

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Escape Artist
03-01-2001, 08:00 PM
Dammit, spill the beans! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

Edit:
The Anti-Federalists from when the US Gov't was being founded said that too strong a central gov't leads to tyranny....they may very well have been right..
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