True love part two.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

That whole true love post got me thinking. I am a love cynic I guess...blah.. But one of my friends suggested to me the other day, perhaps not completely without merit, that I push love away... I guess I may do. Yet another one suggested that I can't recognise love when it is right under my nose, as I am always looking for that fairie tale stuff where prince charming whisks me away etc... that could be a possibility too. So... those of you who claim to have experience true love, HOW did you know it was true love, and not merely infatuation on a grander scale than you were used to? Or, was it that you finally decided that you WANTED to share your life with someone else, and they just happend to be there? How do you know you are not going to get bored with the person you claim to love ten years in the future and move on to greener pastures? Is your love for them based on who they really are, or just your perceived ideal of them? ETC...
I.E. If love personified was to walk up and smack the rest of us on the nose... how would we recognise it? And if it really is true love, how come so many people get divorced?

[Kayla]

I realized it was true love when i was completely comfortable with my boyfriend. All my past boyfriends i just wasnt comfortable around. I also realized it when we could just be around each other and not be bored.

thats all i have to add about that.

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[D_I]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Is your love for them based on who they really are, or just your perceived ideal of them?[/quote]

Or your need to be loved? Love is tricky and slippery in my experience. I have been in love. I cant figure out if it is a ******* emotion or not. Is making someone else happy just a way to make your self happy? If I had a point, I lost it.

I am one of the divorced masses, btw.

[Edit] Whats up with the censoring of the word s e l f i s h? Did I miss something in the news letter?



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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Yeah, I fell in love about once a month when I was fifteen.

[Kayla]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Yeah, I fell in love about once a month when I was fifteen.[/quote]

well thats nice, but ive been with my boyfriend for 1 year and 4 months. We've known each other for almost 3 years. i doubt this is just a little fling


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[Koliedrus]

Whew!

Do I have to use logic to explain this or can I paint a picture in your mind? You've asked a lot of questions with one post, Muffy. Can I get back to you later with some answers? I have some but time is my enemy right now.

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Dead_Inside:
Or your need to be loved...

[Edit] Whats up with the censoring of the word s e l f i s h? Did I miss something in the news letter?
[/quote]

Hmm, interesting. I find the idea of being in love appealing an it makes me all gooey and euphoric, but the idea of being loved by someone else frightens me. I guess I associate being loved by another with feelings of obligation and entrapment, and while I can quite happily worship the object of my undying affections from a safe distance, I run screaming if the shoe is on the other foot.

Re: SeIfish. Rogue has censored it until we all learn what it means (or at least agree with his definition anyway http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif)

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Kayla610:
well thats nice, but ive been with my boyfriend for 1 year and 4 months. We've known each other for almost 3 years. i doubt this is just a little fling
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I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously. No offence, I find your manner pleasant enough, but I have yet to meet a 15 year old that did not have to learn a few things. Thats life.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Koliedrus:
Can I get back to you later with some answers? [/quote]

Sure Kol, I particularly look forward to your reply, I like the way you explain things.

[Koliedrus]

Done deal. I'm off for now.

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[D_I]

Re: SeIfish. Rogue has censored it until we all learn what it means (or at least agree with his definition anyway )

Rogue is a Nazi prick http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif I have my definition and Im sticking to it.

Anyway, I am the complete opposite, Muffy. I enjoy being in love and being loved. Or am I just in love with the idea of being in love?

I am being gooey, make it stop.

[Kayla]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Kayla610:
well thats nice, but ive been with my boyfriend for 1 year and 4 months. We've known each other for almost 3 years. i doubt this is just a little fling
[/quote]
I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously. No offence, I find your manner pleasant enough, but I have yet to meet a 15 year old that did not have to learn a few things. Thats life.

[/quote]

no offense taken. No doubt i have many things to learn. But that doesnt mean i cant experience true love. Where does it say that love has an age limit?


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Your such an inspiration for the ways that i will never ever choose to be

[VenoM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
[B]Is your love for them based on who they really are, or just your perceived ideal of them?[/quote]

<FONT COLOR="Red">When it came to my wife and i, we just knew, it was love at first sight. My heart literally stopped when i first saw her. She had to perform some CPR on me. what i've heard was, that the CPR didn't work, so she used some jumper cables from her car, attached to a fork that was plugged into a lightsocket on one end, and the other two was attached to my nipples on my chest. people still speak of the loud and famous "CLEAR" when she flickered the light switch as if she was back in 2nd grade while the teacher continues to tell her to stop. they said that i glowed like a japanese florescent flower shop. after the smell of fried korean lifted the restruant, i came to my senses and found myself in front of a guy who was saying some stuff at a church, i think. All i know is that she was dressed in white and i was in this tux with chains, err i mean, decorative straps? But when this dude asked me if i wanted to give this person my life... soul... my wallet....u betcha i said HELLLLLLLLL...err i mean i do.
But he didn't hear me say "sike ur mind" http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

but seriously, it was a feeling i can't describe, when i saw her, she was everything i ever wanted in a person. it felt like i knew her all my life. and we've been together ever since http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif</FONT c>

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Kayla610:

no offense taken. No doubt i have many things to learn. But that doesnt mean i cant experience true love. Where does it say that love has an age limit?
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Fifteen year olds are not emotionally stable enough to experience true love as they still have too many fluctuating hormones etc impairing their judgement. Hence the blanket age of sixteen in most jurisdictions about when one can legally make decisions about ones own welfare. The very answer you gave about 'feeling comfortable' with eachother is enough to suggest to me that you have only just got beyond the days of saying 'boys are icky' while refusing to hold hands with them during folk dancing. I feel comfortable with all of my male friends, that is why they are my friends, dosn't mean I have 'true love' for them. Of course I love many men, and they me... but Im talking about serious I want to share my life, burdens, and responsibilities with you kind of love here, not something you can really understand until you have had a life, burdens and responsibilities is it?

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by VenoM:
but seriously, it was a feeling i can't describe, when i saw her, she was everything i ever wanted in a person. it felt like i knew her all my life. and we've been together ever since http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/COLOR]

[/quote]
That is so sleepless in seattle... *sighs*... Now thats what I want!

[VenoM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
That is so sleepless in seattle... *sighs*... Now thats what I want!

[/B][/quote]

<FONT COLOR="Red">i still haven't seen that movie. and i don't think i ever will. =\</FONT c>



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[Dog Breath]

Muffy,
It sounds like you have the very common male malady of "fear of comittment". You can certinly push love away. If you had no control over whom you fall in love with, pedophillia would be legal and be concidered normal.
You may not have met someone whom you can love but I doubt it. Attractive women have more trouble finding the right person due to the flock of shallow playboys they attract. Someone worth your time may be intimidated by the competition. You live in a world of power and lust. It is unlikely you will find a permanent relationship there, rather many shallow and violent couplings. Finding a man whom is attractive, intelligent, and feeling at the same time is like the proverbial needle-in-a-haystack.
The greatest challenge you will face is the ease with which you initiate intimate contact. Your fear of comittment has allowed you to form many bonds with people whom you know are uncompatible sorting out the ones whom might slow you down or change your lifestyle.
My opinion is you will find someone to love when you are ready to comit to someone. Until then you will be unfulfilled and have this feeling you are missing out on something.
Countless people would gladly change places with you whom find contact a challenge. It is a double edged sword. Both sides cut. Unfortunatly for you the shallow side cuts deeper.
My advice it to relax and enjoy the superficial while it lasts. You will tire of it soon enough but it is an addiction you will someday lose or it will win and you will be old bitter and alone. You have the option to change it. Will you?

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[disturbed]

i think that most people who have been hurt before, sheild themselves because of the fear of getting hurt again. some people have been hurt more than others, but there is always that chance you have to decide if you want to take or not. i think some of the signs that it could turn into something special are when you have an argument, you both compromise. even if you are both as stubborn as hell. you also need to have some of the same goals in life, and both know exactly what you are looking for. once you figure out what it is you want, its a lot easier to find it.

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[Lady Sianna]

i too have been burned by love, but cannot keep myself from its inviting flames...

to give or receive anything fully makes one vulnerable, but i find a certain beauty in vulnerability, in sweet surrender...
remaining strong of heart, mind & will all the while.

"be fair. admit that love has in it
all the righteousness we need.

confess that you're willing to forget
and be numb enough to call some
low desire a holy name.

live as evidence
that there is a way
from wanting to longing."

-Rumi


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[VenoM]

<FONT COLOR="Red">yeah i don't know what i'm more scared of when i first met my wife. being loved, or someday, losing the one i love. I know the day is coming, i just don't when or how i'm going to handle it. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif</FONT c>

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[Deadpool]

It seems all too unreal to me. This topic scares me.

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Fuck you I wont do what you tell me. -RATM

[Wil_Freak]

<font color="white" >I too think I have experienced being in love....although I now doubt some small part of its credability..

For me it was the fact that I was waking up in the middle of the night holding a pillow close to my chest, and in my groggy stat, I thought it was her. It was the fact that hearing but a few kind hearted words pass her lips to me would cause all my worrys, all my problems to seem not so bad. It was the fact that as soon as I thought of her, I couldnt help but smile like a kid in a candy store.

This girl made me laugh, made me cry... and was there for me as a friend and more through some of my hardest times.

Its gone now, and although it still feels as fresh as the day she said it was over, Im trying my all to remember the good times, the smiles and happiness we shared instead of the pain I was left with.

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[Wil_Freak]

Sorry to be a double poster, but therer is something off topic from my last I wanted to address and did not see fit to split it...

Love vs Being in Love..

Love is a strong emotion, based upon caring and trust in that person... being in love is alot more...

I often find confusion in people Ive talked to about how I differentiate the two. Simply put, as I see it you chose to love someone.... but you cannot chose who you fall in love with.

When you meet someone, chose to get to know them, start to care and give a shit about them.. its all upon active choices you have made to trust them and allow yourself to get close, to allow yourself to care and feel concerned for them... Sometimes people misinturperate strong feelings of love for being in love, as dear Muffy was getting at, with kayla... especially at a younger state. ( no kayla, im not saying nothing about you, i do not know the situation, only the idea)

I know Im as guilty of this as the next person, everyone has to learn and mature somewhere through. I do believe though, that somewhere along the line, the whle Idea of love and being in love gets twisted and disjointed... to the point that we hear one and assume the other.. when I say I love Muffy, it scares her... but I mean it from the heart. No I do not feel in love with her... perhaps some lust but mainly its caring... she is a great friend who I care a good deal about. People seem to forget the differentiation of these two. I can say I love a great book, or a pet... but when I say its a person... they missenterperet my thoughts.

For whatever reason you wantto blame it on or accuse me of, I have chosen to love alot of ppl.. I give a shit about many ppl, mainly if they open up to me and act as a human, droping the facades we wear in life... Some people have assumed this wrong, some people have accused me of fucking with ppls minds trying to hurt them..

although I try explain these views to most anyone I talk to on the subject... ppl still seem to hear what they wanted to hear.

Am I alone in the belief that the two are separated? Am I once again the freak with the abnormal viewset of reality? because im surely left feeling that way by most...

Ohh and as an addon to my prior post? how do I know it was love?? The fact that Im now haunted by dreams of her punching me in the face and walking away with her new man...

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[Lady Sianna]

i also hold the belief that there is a difference between loving someone & being in love...so there are at least 2 of us freaks!

you have much wisdom to share (wil_freak)...and i know what you mean about people misinterpreting the phrase 'i love you'.
it seems that most people are closed off from & actually afraid of love, in any form...& i believe love comes in many. it is this fear, these walls, that keep us from one another...it makes me sad.

along this journey i have learned much, but the lesson most dear to me is that of remaining open to the possiblities of this strange & beautiful existence...not to limit myself, to create uncrossable boundaries. my words of wisdom?! fuck it! make a fool of yourself. risk deeply & with passion. protect yourself, but not to the point of closing off. love, laugh, learn & most importantly LIVE...without hesitancy & without regret.



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[FunkaY]

Dont know if I've been in love yet..haven't had too many boyfriends so I dont really know what is 'supposed' to happen. I used to push people away, a few months into every relationship I had, I broke up with the guy for reasons unknown. There was no particular reason for the break ups at all, just because I got scared or something I guess. One of them was my best friend, it all started off slowly because I was kind of awkward and stuff..3 months into it and I was still uncomfortable. So that was the end of that. Note: NEVER go out with friends.

My boyfriend of the moment is great..it is my longest ever relationship, 1 year and 9 months I think it is now. I feel comfortable with him and love living with him. Its never too much http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Muffy, I thought I was destined to live a lonely life..I dont know what happened..but as soon as I saw him I knew I liked and wanted him. Not loved..but I knew I wanted something. Fuck trying for love, go for companionship and friendship, that's whats important in the long run *cliche* <--but true. My relationship is not a faery tale, but its fun and Im happy and that is good enough for me http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Yes I am only 20..and don't know that much about the world or love..but I admitted it so you cant bite me. Just go with the flow, you never know who might pop up. Also dont discredit net people, some may be serial killers etc..but your soul mate could be amongst them http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif


Ok..longest post ever. Fuck reading through it to see if it makes sense *eeeee*


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[Koliedrus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by VenoM:
but seriously, it was a feeling i can't describe, when i saw her, she was everything i ever wanted in a person. it felt like i knew her all my life. and we've been together ever since http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
[/quote]

Damn! You beat me to it! On the plus side, that means that Mrs. Kol and I aren't freaks of nature http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

I slept on this thought. Just before the dreams started, I had a realization.

Trying to describe love to someone who has never felt it is like trying to describe intestinal distress to a plant. Fortunately, we're all wired the same way so love is an eventuality. Defining it is akin to preaching to the choir.

"True Love" is the subject here. We all have at least an idea of what LOVE is. I've personally experienced many types. I'll stick to the one in question.

Girls. I love them so. From the first crush in second grade to the woman I married, each one of my relationships added a new layer to the one before. Each one can also be defined as "true" love. I know the difference between infatuation, lust and love.

Before she was Mrs. Kol, she was just someone who was the friend of a friend. In fact, a conversation went something like this:

"Jeff introduced me to a guy. I'm gonna get him. Come with me. I want you to meet him."

At the time, I had no desire to start another relationship. The last one had left me with a bad taste in my brain.

The doorbell rang, I greeted the two ladies, invited them in and joined them in lively conversation. At some point, Mrs. Kol's friend excused herself to go potty. It was while she was gone that Mrs. Kol and I finally made extended eye contact.

"I know you", we said almost together. Something I can only describe as supernatural flashed through me; almost as if a jolt hit us. All of those layers of love built upon love welled to the surface of my being. We stood from our seats, walked slowly toward each other and embraced. Our first kiss was one I will never forget. Knowledge of our future together passed between us in that gentle touch. I'm pleased to say that our precognition was truly a glimpse of what was to come.

As we heard a door close and footsteps approach, we disengaged and returned to our seats. We couldn't keep our eyes from meeting for the rest of the visit. Eventually, her friend picked up on the event that was transpiring and became upset that her intended conquest had been snatched from her grasp. I still can't recall her name.

Mrs. Kol and I took the Colonel's advice of living together for two years before carving stone. It was actually four years before we made our move. We had both been burned before and wanted to be sure that our extraordinarily blissful relationship was not from emotional blindness.

We have two wonderful children now; one of each gender.

What can I say? We saw the future in each other's eyes.



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[zoey]

Love is just another one of those games in life in which nobody can win. Fuck that. fuck love.

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[disturbed]

everyone can win, but the harder you try the worse it gets. let love find out, when it does you will know it.

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[Koliedrus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by zoey:
Love is just another one of those games in life in which nobody can win. Fuck that. fuck love.

[/quote]

You suffer from side effects. You only lose when you lack the ability to give. Love can't come from oblivion. You have to be willing to lower some (repeat: some) of the barriers you've built around yourself before you can let another share parts of your life.

Hell, I'm no fool. I've loved and then hated the same person. If I choose to let the hate fester and taint the rest of my life, they win and I lose. Fuck that. I had bad experiences. I learned from them. I culled the bad from the good, stored the memories and let the good settle to the top like cream. My experiences are all still parts of me. I just choose to dwell at the top of the liquid that is my life.

I can show you the darkness deep at the bottom of my jar if need be.

For now, suffice it to say that we won.


Arrggg. Where's Rabble and her spoon? I need stirring!


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[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Koliedrus:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by VenoM:
but seriously, it was a feeling i can't describe, when i saw her, she was everything i ever wanted in a person. it felt like i knew her all my life. and we've been together ever since http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
[/quote]

Damn! You beat me to it! On the plus side, that means that Mrs. Kol and I aren't freaks of nature http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

I slept on this thought. Just before the dreams started, I had a realization.

Trying to describe love to someone who has never felt it is like trying to describe intestinal distress to a plant. Fortunately, we're all wired the same way so love is an eventuality. Defining it is akin to preaching to the choir.

"True Love" is the subject here. We all have at least an idea of what LOVE is. I've personally experienced many types. I'll stick to the one in question.

Girls. I love them so. From the first crush in second grade to the woman I married, each one of my relationships added a new layer to the one before. Each one can also be defined as "true" love. I know the difference between infatuation, lust and love.

Before she was Mrs. Kol, she was just someone who was the friend of a friend. In fact, a conversation went something like this:

"Jeff introduced me to a guy. I'm gonna get him. Come with me. I want you to meet him."

At the time, I had no desire to start another relationship. The last one had left me with a bad taste in my brain.

The doorbell rang, I greeted the two ladies, invited them in and joined them in lively conversation. At some point, Mrs. Kol's friend excused herself to go potty. It was while she was gone that Mrs. Kol and I finally made extended eye contact.

"I know you", we said almost together. Something I can only describe as supernatural flashed through me; almost as if a jolt hit us. All of those layers of love built upon love welled to the surface of my being. We stood from our seats, walked slowly toward each other and embraced. Our first kiss was one I will never forget. Knowledge of our future together passed between us in that gentle touch. I'm pleased to say that our precognition was truly a glimpse of what was to come.

As we heard a door close and footsteps approach, we disengaged and returned to our seats. We couldn't keep our eyes from meeting for the rest of the visit. Eventually, her friend picked up on the event that was transpiring and became upset that her intended conquest had been snatched from her grasp. I still can't recall her name.

Mrs. Kol and I took the Colonel's advice of living together for two years before carving stone. It was actually four years before we made our move. We had both been burned before and wanted to be sure that our extraordinarily blissful relationship was not from emotional blindness.

We have two wonderful children now; one of each gender.

What can I say? We saw the future in each other's eyes.



[/quote]


It sounds like a fairy tale. You are a lucky one.



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Fuck you I wont do what you tell me. -RATM

[Koliedrus]

It's also a fact.

Stuff like this happens. I swear on my father's name that you can find it if you know how to share your...

Ah. Spirit? I can't pick a better word right now. Soul? Being? Essence?

What is behind your eyes. That thing.

Love is a real thing. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. Finding it is an entirely different story and each story is written independantly.

Sometimes, it just finds you.

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[FunkaY]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>
I had bad experiences. I learned from them. I culled the bad from the good, stored the memories and let the good settle to the top like cream. My experiences are all still parts of me. I just choose to dwell at the top of the liquid that is my life.
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That was beautifull. Nice way to look at/deal with things..I have to write it down somewhere http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif You should be a psychiatrist or something.

[gone~away]

ive been 'in love' several times...

the only time i would quantify as 'true love' (gotta love the term http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif ) i am still currently involved in this state, despite several weeks of insanity

how did i know it was for real?

because when i woke up with her stroking my face (not cuz we'd had sex, but because we were living in the same house and she woke me up every morning) i wanted absolutely nothing else out of the world, but to stay there forever. looking into her eyes, a hint of a smile on her face..........

it brings tears to my eyes just to think about it now.... the only time i've ever been that happy.. thats how i knew.

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[VenoM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by zoey:
Love is just another one of those games in life in which nobody can win. Fuck that. fuck love.

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<FONT COLOR="Red">fuck me? =~)</FONT c>

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[Rabble Rouser]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by zoey:
Love is just another one of those games in life in which nobody can win. Fuck that. fuck love.

[/quote]

What she said.

*stirs Kol's brain*


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[Koliedrus]

That's not a spoon! That's a fork!

Good point.

Next subject.

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

After hearing Kol and Vens fantastically romantic accounts of how they 'knew', I am more convinced than ever that I have never experienced true love, not even with my ex -fiance.

I just hope that now I don't spend the rest of my life walking around staring in to stangers eyes hoping to recognise something hiding inside them... they would eventually have to lock me up http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Dog Breath - scary..... very, very scary... you had me stewing on that one all day.

Wil... the other thing I should have mentioned, I don't cope with public displays of affection terribly well either http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif - Thanks babe.

Zoey, Rabble, those frowns and bad attitudes are going to scare off any potential partners... which kind of makes the whole true love thing impossible, unless you are majorly in to self loving http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Actually, My friend Bernard looked in the mirror on his fifteenth birthday and fell madly in love. He has been faithful ever since.

[MAC]

Muffy that is a long and twisted series of questions.
Plus its almost impossible to read everyones responses and remember what's already been said.
Here's my 2 cents.

Love stars off with an automatic reaction.
You have little or no control.
Then it reaches the point where you must add to it or take away from it.
(Some people, at this point, let it stagnate. I believ that is the primary cause of divorce.)
This is the point where you decide whether or nor "you" have found true love.
Then you have to look at the other person and decide if they return your feelings genuinely.

You must be able to recognize honesty in yourself and others before you can do this,
The fairy tales about the princess and prince who fall madly in love at firsat sight and live happily ever after always include that "purity" of the soul aspect so ass to encompass the fact that they can recognize the honesty of the others love. Evil is usually designed as deception and betrayal in these storys to represent the difficulty of this decision.

You never know its love.
You must feel its love and then make it love.
You don't "get" it.
You build it.

With someone elses help.


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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by theMAC:

With someone elses help.
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I'm too stubborn to accept anothers help http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

[Rabble Rouser]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:


Zoey, Rabble, those frowns and bad attitudes are going to scare off any potential partners... which kind of makes the whole true love thing impossible, unless you are majorly in to self loving http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


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The reason I have this attitude is because I've had it with being rejected by every guy I've ever asked out. One can only be pushed so far before they give up. I think love is a fucking delusion.

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[This message has been edited by Rabble Rouser (edited 04-30-2001).]

[disturbed]

but you never asked me out http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

Rabble, you are a beautiful, intelligent and cool person... you will find someone who appreciates you soon enough. Have a little faith in yourself. For all my lack of belief in 'true' love, I do think that there are many people out there, including several for you, who are capable of loving.

[MAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Rabble Rouser:

The reason I have this attitude is because I've had it with being rejected by every guy I've ever asked out. One can only be pushed so far before they give up. I think love is a fucking delusion.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Darlin, have a drink on theMAC tonight cause I have been where you are.
Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy, have I been where you are.
Frustration wrapped up in an adiction.
Why can't I?
Why don't they?
Every one else does.

That fucker does and he's an ASSHOLE.
Look at his girlfriend. He treats her like crap. I'd treat her so nice. I'd love and care for her. But she won't even look at me.

Oh, shit. Oh shit.
Then there the rebounding pain. You catch one on a serious break-your-neck kind of heart break bounce who looks at you after you've been SOOOOOOO nice and conciderate and understanding and tells you "thank you" translation "you will never see me again".

You try to be understanding.
They say "You just weren't assertive."

You try to do what they want.
They say "You're not your own person"

You give freely to them.
They say "I feel like you're keeping something from me".

GRRRRRRRR http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif

Then you try to be cool.
"hey babe, you do what you wanna do. I understand"

*retch*retch*

up late. can't sleep. wondering why the fuck they made you think you were even close.

*sigh*
Its all shit.
If you're looking for it you can't tell the real thing from the quasi-real.
You see when they're using you. And you damn sure don't appeal to them.

It will happen.
It won't be what you think.
You don't get to write the book.
You are IN the book.
Someone else is writing it.
Expect to die in the end.


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[mute]

hmmm, i haven't been with the so called "love" of my life, but one day i was so down depressed 3 years ago, and she popped in my head while lying in bed... that feeling hasn't left yet...

i'd say i could never get bored with her, but hey, life's full of awesome surprises..

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[rage]

"greater love has no man than this: that he lay down his life for another"

Unconditional love. Being willing to do anything for that person, putting them first, caring more about them than life itself. Wanting to know everything about that person. Being able to make it through rough times and good times. Being a best friend.

When I feel those feelings for a woman, that is when I will know I am in love. That is just a short list...but I am off work, so I gotta take off, maybe more to come.

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Not as dumb as acid wash"

[mute]

how come i can't talk/write like that? http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif

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