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Koliedrus
02-05-2001, 12:41 PM
Have you ever tried to look at something from someone else's perspective?
Here's your chance.
Pick a topic. Form an opinion. Now, switch sides.
It's not easy to do but it'll make your head a little bigger inside if you know what I mean.
Keep your facts straight and your tempers tempered.
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MuffyTheVampyreLayer
02-05-2001, 12:50 PM
These people who have a problem with the confederate flag are truly exemplifying stereotypical views associated with symbolism. The American history is rich in a diversity of culture and ways of thinking. Granted, many bad things have happened during that history, but a lot of good has also happened. The south has a history to be proud of, alas, one which is marred by the ever present cloud of civil war and slavery. However, I would like to think that we are mature enough as a society to acknowledge that this is a past not to be repeated, and move on, taking with us the original meaning of the flag, one of independence and the union of brilliant liberated people, endeavouring to meet and conquer the challenges arrived at by a nation of forward thinkers.
Only when we put our petty bigotry behind us and move on, arm in arm, brothers united, embracing our past as yet another successfully met challenge will we truly have free minds and souls.
Embrace the Flag! Hail the Flag! Long live the Flag!
There ya go Kol http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
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Pianomahnn
02-05-2001, 01:06 PM
<FONT size="6">DEATH TO THE CONFEDERATE FLAG!!!</FONT s>
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Dog Breath
02-05-2001, 02:09 PM
You didn't say how difficult it would be to start this Kol! My brain hurts from trying to pick a topic.
I believe that all animals that exert more than two pounds per square inch in their footprints should be fitted with padded shoes with sufficient surface area to lower it to somewhere below that level. This is in order to save the lives of millions of insects and trillions of plants destroyed each year due to the use of walking as transportation. Some animals will not be able to walk at all with this sort of an attachment. All animals that still wish to move about but can't qualify will be free to travel about in bodies of water as long as their feet don't touch the bottom. Science has shown no evidence that the larger animals have the right to kill, maim, or otherwise harass the smaller living organisms. After all Science has shown that we all evolved from single celled organisms. We should not discriminate based on race, creed, religion, species, order, phylum, size, rank in the food chain, or evolutionary progress. All "lower" life forms should be treated as "evolutionarily challenged" and have special protection and privileges due to their disadvantage.
Signed, Dog Breath.
Chair, A.V.R.C.
American Vegetable Rights Coalition.
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Faceplant
02-05-2001, 05:17 PM
hate the confederacy...i think not.
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Wise Womcat
02-05-2001, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
These people who have a problem with the confederate flag are truly exemplifying stereotypical views associated with symbolism. The American history is rich in a diversity of culture and ways of thinking. Granted, many bad things have happened during that history, but a lot of good has also happened. The south has a history to be proud of, alas, one which is marred by the ever present cloud of civil war and slavery. However, I would like to think that we are mature enough as a society to acknowledge that this is a past not to be repeated, and move on, taking with us the original meaning of the flag, one of independence and the union of brilliant liberated people, endeavouring to meet and conquer the challenges arrived at by a nation of forward thinkers.
Only when we put our petty bigotry behind us and move on, arm in arm, brothers united, embracing our past as yet another successfully met challenge will we truly have free minds and souls.
Embrace the Flag! Hail the Flag! Long live the Flag!
There ya go Kol http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
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HAHAHA! This is really funny to me! You talk about how we should remember all the good things the South did, and one can only assume you mean the South as a nation. Well, I'll remind you that when the South was it's own nation there for a while (well, except Texas, but we had another flag then too), the only thing they accomplished was being stomped into the ground by the north, and then being re-added to the United States. Some "proud history!" If you weren’t talking about the South as a nation, you would be talking about it as a geographical location IN THE UNITED STATES! Our flag for that would be the United State’s Flag, not the Confederate Battle Flag...
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Faceplant
02-05-2001, 06:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Wise Womcat:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
These people who have a problem with the confederate flag are truly exemplifying stereotypical views associated with symbolism. The American history is rich in a diversity of culture and ways of thinking. Granted, many bad things have happened during that history, but a lot of good has also happened. The south has a history to be proud of, alas, one which is marred by the ever present cloud of civil war and slavery. However, I would like to think that we are mature enough as a society to acknowledge that this is a past not to be repeated, and move on, taking with us the original meaning of the flag, one of independence and the union of brilliant liberated people, endeavouring to meet and conquer the challenges arrived at by a nation of forward thinkers.
Only when we put our petty bigotry behind us and move on, arm in arm, brothers united, embracing our past as yet another successfully met challenge will we truly have free minds and souls.
Embrace the Flag! Hail the Flag! Long live the Flag!
There ya go Kol http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
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HAHAHA! This is really funny to me! You talk about how we should remember all the good things the South did, and one can only assume you mean the South as a nation. Well, I'll remind you that when the South was it's own nation there for a while (well, except Texas, but we had another flag then too), the only thing they accomplished was being stomped into the ground by the north, and then being re-added to the United States. Some "proud history!" If you weren’t talking about the South as a nation, you would be talking about it as a geographical location IN THE UNITED STATES! Our flag for that would be the United State’s Flag, not the Confederate Battle Flag...
Damn foreigners! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
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the south lost by like one war dumbass.
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Wise Womcat
02-05-2001, 06:17 PM
Hmmm....maybe by one battle...but isn't every war lost by one battle? Else, wouldn't the war continue...until that final battle? And then...the war would be lost by....Ahhhh...one battle. Again I say...hmmmm.
Who's the dumbass???
EDIT: And in the event you did actually mean "War"...a lot of people only lost one war. One war is all it takes. Who owns the colonies now?! Do we bow to a king, or elect a President? And the collective South has only fought one war. Not a very good record - 0/1.
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Faceplant
02-05-2001, 06:25 PM
hmm, that is a very good point..sorry..its early...
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MuffyTheVampyreLayer
02-05-2001, 06:51 PM
It was a pisstake...dumbass.
Err, sorry, in light of the theme of the thread - Hey, you are a really funny guy faceplant, and I wholly concur with your opinions.
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Faceplant
02-05-2001, 07:35 PM
also going with the thread..that is very funny muffy.
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MuffyTheVampyreLayer
02-05-2001, 07:50 PM
Yeah, and you're original too.
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Faceplant
02-05-2001, 08:06 PM
i always try to be.
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morgana
02-05-2001, 11:45 PM
<font color="lime">the key to raising a more responsible, loving youth community is to allow prayer in schools. the lessons of life taught to us in the bible are so much more valuable than learning the capitol of paraguay. prayer will bring our children closer to each other. as they realize that we are all god's children, they will put aside their differences, and learn to understand one another's struggles in life. through the spiritual ties with our lord, they will become a stronger youth community, and understand the paths that god has set forth for them. by being born again into the light of god, they will live under his commandments, and treat others with respect and love.
bringing prayer into schools can only do good things for the maligned, spiritually uninformed youth of today.
there. good enough? </font>
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Strider
02-06-2001, 12:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Wise Womcat:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
These people who have a problem with the confederate flag are truly exemplifying stereotypical views associated with symbolism. The American history is rich in a diversity of culture and ways of thinking. Granted, many bad things have happened during that history, but a lot of good has also happened. The south has a history to be proud of, alas, one which is marred by the ever present cloud of civil war and slavery. However, I would like to think that we are mature enough as a society to acknowledge that this is a past not to be repeated, and move on, taking with us the original meaning of the flag, one of independence and the union of brilliant liberated people, endeavouring to meet and conquer the challenges arrived at by a nation of forward thinkers.
Only when we put our petty bigotry behind us and move on, arm in arm, brothers united, embracing our past as yet another successfully met challenge will we truly have free minds and souls.
Embrace the Flag! Hail the Flag! Long live the Flag!
There ya go Kol http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
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HAHAHA! This is really funny to me! You talk about how we should remember all the good things the South did, and one can only assume you mean the South as a nation. Well, I'll remind you that when the South was it's own nation there for a while (well, except Texas, but we had another flag then too), the only thing they accomplished was being stomped into the ground by the north, and then being re-added to the United States. Some "proud history!" If you weren’t talking about the South as a nation, you would be talking about it as a geographical location IN THE UNITED STATES! Our flag for that would be the United State’s Flag, not the Confederate Battle Flag...
Damn foreigners! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif
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You really are an idiot aren't you? Would you like me to school you on the Republic of Texas and how it was nonexistant during the Civil War? Texas was part of the confederacy after Sam Houston resigned from office. The Republic of Texas was non-existant years earlier when Texas became part of the Union. Furthermore, the confederacy was not viewed a nation, but rather as a bunch of rebellious states trying to succeed from the union TO form a nation.
It was on December 29, 1845, that Texas was admitted to the United States as the 28th state, being the 15th state in the order of admission to the Union after the original 13 colonies.
The convention, which assembled in Austin on January 28, 1861, was dominated by secessionists. On February 1 the delegates adopted an ordinance of secession by a vote of 166 to 8. This ordinance was approved by the voters of the state, 46,153 to 14,747, on February 23. The convention reassembled in early March, declared Texas out of the Union, and adopted a measure uniting the state with other Southern states in the newly formed Confederate States of America (they succeeded from the union but by their own vote...it wouldn't be recognized by the union, hence the war to regain the rebellious south).
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Wise Womcat
02-06-2001, 01:20 AM
Hmm...I reread several times, and I didn't say anything about the Republic of Texas being around in the Civil War. The reference to Texas that I made was that at one time in history it was it's own independent nation...didn't say it was in the Civil War. The reason I refered to Texas was because that is the only other seperate entity that existed in the "South" other than the confederate makeup, and I was about to say something that referred to the Southern independencies, and did not want the Republic of Texas to be included in my statement. Here is the revision of that for the slower ones on this board: "When the South was it's own nation the only thing it accomplished was being stomped into the ground by the north...This statement is not meant in reference to Texas as a 'Southern Nation' because Texas accomplished a lot more than just being stomped in the ground once...they were stomped several times!! But there are good things about the Republic of Texas that would cause celebration for Texas Heretage, as opposed to no reason for celebration of Conferdate Heretage." Ya know what...you can completely remove Texas from the sentence and still get the full meaning of what I was saying. I added it just so people could come back with little technicalities.
And before you start disputing words, like nation...look them up. Nation - A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government. Let's all say it together...hmmm...did the south have an indepenent government?? Ahh, yes they did.
I always enjoy it when someone starts off a reply with belittlement...because most of the time I can turn it right back around on them, like in this case, you are an idiot.
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Strider
02-06-2001, 02:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Wise Womcat:
Hmm...I reread several times, and I didn't say anything about the Republic of Texas being around in the Civil War. The reference to Texas that I made was that at one time in history it was it's own independent nation...didn't say it was in the Civil War. The reason I refered to Texas was because that is the only other seperate entity that existed in the "South" other than the confederate makeup, and I was about to say something that referred to the Southern independencies, and did not want the Republic of Texas to be included in my statement. Here is the revision of that for the slower ones on this board: "When the South was it's own nation the only thing it accomplished was being stomped into the ground by the north...This statement is not meant in reference to Texas as a 'Southern Nation' because Texas accomplished a lot more than just being stomped in the ground once...they were stomped several times!! But there are good things about the Republic of Texas that would cause celebration for Texas Heretage, as opposed to no reason for celebration of Conferdate Heretage." Ya know what...you can completely remove Texas from the sentence and still get the full meaning of what I was saying. I added it just so people could come back with little technicalities.
And before you start disputing words, like nation...look them up. Nation - A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government. Let's all say it together...hmmm...did the south have an indepenent government?? Ahh, yes they did.
I always enjoy it when someone starts off a reply with belittlement...because most of the time I can turn it right back around on them, like in this case, you are an idiot.
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Well, I'll remind you that when the South was it's own nation there for a while (well, except Texas, but we had another flag then too)
1. Well, I'll remind you that when the South was it's own nation there for a while (well, except Texas, but we had another flag then too) - Meaning the South was it's own nation excluding Texas but we had another flag then too. (leads the reader to believe that you're talking about the Republic of Texas - by mentioning the other flag, it's what would make sense...sorta)
2. when the South was it's own nation there for a while (well, except Texas, but we had another flag then too), the only thing they accomplished was being stomped into the ground by the north, and then being re-added to the United States. - Meaning the South was it's own nation and got stomped into the ground EXCEPT for Texas etc etc etc and we had our own flag woohoo.
A reader can only guess that you were talking about "another flag" as being the Flag of the Republic of Texas.
And if you read, Texas was renowned for it's abilities and doing more than it's part in the war.
Nation:
Yeah well, Rogue, Bumox,I, and 16,000 others have a nation now and we've succeeded from the union and have our own government. Now, in our own minds, we are a nation (by your definition). Recognition is the problem. The US wouldn't recognize us, nor anyone else.
I was merely commenting on your inability to clarify what the fuck you're talking about. That statement had no place in there as it was and meant no sense, Fuckwit. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif
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Wise Womcat
02-06-2001, 02:45 AM
And I suppose it all goes back to who knows their history. Had you known that the Republic of Texas and Confederate South did not co-exist, you could have drawn a different conclusion from my ill-worded statement.
And whose land are you living on? You and your nation? If you and your 16,003 people really did live on your own land (or wanted to wage war to obtain your own land), and you had your own government, then yes you would be your own nation. But, you don't have your own government, else you would not have to abide by the laws of this nation...you couldn't vote in this nation...
Ya know what, I refuse to post any more here. Please Strider, tell me everything you know about the Civil War. Educate me. In fact, if you have the time, tell me everything you know. God bless the gene-yusses lyke yew that cun shed lite un mi stuped wurld.
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Strider
02-06-2001, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Wise Womcat:
And I suppose it all goes back to who knows their history. Had you known that the Republic of Texas and Confederate South did not co-exist, you could have drawn a different conclusion from my ill-worded statement.
And whose land are you living on? You and your nation? If you and your 16,003 people really did live on your own land (or wanted to wage war to obtain your own land), and you had your own government, then yes you would be your own nation. But, you don't have your own government, else you would not have to abide by the laws of this nation...you couldn't vote in this nation...
Ya know what, I refuse to post any more here. Please Strider, tell me everything you know about the Civil War. Educate me. In fact, if you have the time, tell me everything you know. God bless the gene-yusses lyke yew that cun shed lite un mi stuped wurld.
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I did know that they did not co-exist, that's why I pointed it out. It was worded bad and I was/am being an ass about it. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
I'm just being picky. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif
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Koliedrus
02-06-2001, 02:20 PM
Wow! You guys must have played this game before!
I'm actually having trouble figuring out who believes what.
Topic, sweeties.
(maybe I should have named this "Sarcasm, Sarcasm" http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif )
Continue. The knowledge is valuable no matter the rules of the game.
MstrG
02-06-2001, 05:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Koliedrus:
Wow! You guys must have played this game before!
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Yeah, some (http://www.asylumnation.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005463.html) have.
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