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Billyman
12-22-2001, 05:00 PM
Court extends print and media protections online

By Tom Regan

In a court decision that was largely overlooked by the mainstream media, a New York Supreme Court judge has issued a ruling in a libel case that extends the same speech protections to online journalists that their print, radio, and TV colleagues have enjoyed since the famous Sullivan v. New York Times decision of 1964.
More important, it means that states, politicians and powerful corporate entities will have a much harder time taking online journalists to court in the United States for statements that may have been made in the United States, or even in other countries. The decision also offers the protection of the First Amendment of the US Constitution to any journalistic website in the world that might find itself sued for libel in a US court.
The case in question concerned the National Bank of Mexico against Narconews.com, a Mexican website that covers the drug wars in Latin America. The "Bank," also known as Banamex and now a part of Citigroup, sued a Mexican newspaper editor and Narconews.com for publishing stories that alleged its then-president was linked to narcotics trafficking.

The bank sued in New York because it claimed newspaper editor Mario Menendez and website editor Al Giordano made libelous statements at public forums in New York. It also claimed that eight articles on the Narconews.com site were libelous, and since narconews.com was registered with a Post Office box in New York (although it is based in Mexico), it could sue the website.

If Banamex had succeeded in its libel claim, it would have meant that any individual, organization, or state could sue in the US an online journalist in any part of the world for stories published on a website, even if that website was not in the US. It would have created an enormous chill because, as some experts have argued, it would have deterred journalists from reporting online about important issues in their countries.

When rendering her decision, New York Supreme Court Judge Paula Omansky, cited the "heightened protection of the First Amendment" of the Sullivan v. New York Times decision that established the press freedoms known so well today. This was the first time any court had extended those protections to the Web.

But the decision also had ramifications for US online journalists. In her decision, the judge wrote, "Since principles of defamation law may be applied to the Internet ... this court determines that Narco News, its website, and the writers who post information, are entitled to all the First Amendment protections accorded a newspaper-magazine or journalist in defamation suits ...." This means that anyone suing online journalists would have to prove they knowingly lied or were deliberately malicious - the same standards that are used with traditional media.

Basically, it offers the same protections enjoyed by newspapers like the New York Times and The Christian Science Monitor to all online journalists, no matter how small their websites, if they can show that they were reporting on a matter of public concern, and did so without malice.

And as First Amendment scholar Paul McMasters of the Freedom Forum said in an interview with the Boston Phoenix, what is most encouraging is that the judge's ruling "recognized that the Constitution does not specify who may - or may not - be a journalist. ... Because the First Amendment prohibits the definition of a journalist, just about anybody with a website, it seems to me, can define themselves as a journalist entitled to the protection of Times v. Sullivan. And that, to me, is a good thing," Mr. McMasters said in the interview with Mr. Kennedy.

Banamex says it is still considering whether it will appeal the decision to a higher state court.



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SimpleSimon
12-22-2001, 11:37 PM
Good call by Justice Omansky. Let's hope that Banamex appeals to the NY Supreme Court en penel, and they support the ruling.

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squee
12-24-2001, 01:15 AM
Aren't there five parts to the First Amendement? Why doesn't anyone say anything about our "first freedom"--that is, religious freedom? Can I realistically be expected to believe a state that pays lip service to things like "free speech" while at the same time restricting people's rights to practice their religious expression according to the dictates of their conscience?
In Maryland, employees were banned from giving each other Christmas cards (those for Hannukah and Ramadan were allowed) because (this is a quote), "...cards with a Christian message may not be a legally protected right on a public school campus."
A 4th-grader in Pennsylvania was prohibited from giving his classmates Christmas cards; middle schoolers in Minnesota were disciplined for wearing red-and-green scarves and for ending a pagent skit by saying "We hope you all have a Merry Christmas." Ninth-graders in Massachusettes were told they could not create cards with a Nativity scene or which say "Merry Christmas."
The superintendant of schools in Silverton, Oregon had students remove "religious" holiday decorations from their lockers (but allowed secular decorations like Frosty the Snowman).
...and...the county school board in Covington, Georgia deleted the word "Christmas" from the official school Calendar after a threatened suit by the ACLU.


Really. I mean, really, I understand that you can't have a state-supported school mandating that kids believe in a certain religion. But how can you justify all this? How?

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Spooky
12-24-2001, 06:10 AM
why is being able to make libelous statements protected in the US? If a newspaper, or online version, for example, as influence over a given group and makes flase accusations against someone, then why are they protected? What protection does the person that is libeled have?

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Spooky
12-24-2001, 06:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by squee:
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you are fucking obsessed mate.

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abs0lutionCFH
12-24-2001, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Spooky:
why is being able to make libelous statements protected in the US? If a newspaper, or online version, for example, as influence over a given group and makes flase accusations against someone, then why are they protected? What protection does the person that is libeled have?

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Why is being a whiney bag of bloody anal discharge more important than having the right to say what ever you want? If people didn't believe everything they read/heard the world wouldn't be on a crash course with distruction. People who cry because someone else expresses them self freely or believes in something(be it the Devil or a lie about your personal life) should be taken out back and beaten with a rubber hose. Political correctness makes me want to puke.

abs0lutionCFH
12-24-2001, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Spooky:
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you are fucking obsessed mate.

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<center>Amendment I of The Bill of rights, exactly as it was written and ratified December 15, 1791.</center>

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

He is not nearly obsessed enough at the infringement of his rights by his own out of control government.

GoFuckYourselves!
12-24-2001, 08:13 AM
People DO believe what they read (unfortunately, perhaps)... and sometimes it isn't easy to discern between fact and fiction. But "freedom of speech" and "freedom of the press" certainly doesn't mean "freedom to libel" and "freedom to slander." It is very important that a decent society hold writers accountable to a high standard of truth, and that they not have carte blanche to publish fiction about people. Careers could be ended by libel, and people could be really hurt in countless ways, and we wouldn't want that, I'm sure. My point here is that writers need to be held accountable. Fortunately, the laws and courts agree with this.

Mudflap
12-24-2001, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by squee:
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<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Spooky:


you are fucking obsessed mate.

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SatansLeftHand
12-25-2001, 12:45 AM
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SimpleSimon
12-25-2001, 12:58 AM
[quote]Originally posted by abs0lutionCFH:
<center>Amendment I of The Bill of rights, exactly as it was written and ratified December 15, 1791.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
He is not nearly obsessed enough at the infringement of his rights by his own out of control government.[/B]</center>

I quite agree. Since his opinion is so strongly stated, and cogently worded, I have to wonder about one thing: What is he doing in the military?

This is, after all, that gov't org which explicitly states that you voluntarily suspend many of your rights as secured by the constitution and laws of this nation when you take the oath. Specifically, the only portion of the 1st Amendment not suspended is the religion clause.

Your speech is assuredly not free (ever heard of insubordination?); you have no freedom of the press, as to either what you read or what you publish; you have NO, I repeat NO, freedom of assembly (ever heard of mutiny?); and you most certainly do not have the right to petition gov't for a redress of grievances (see the attempts to sue the DoD over agent orange, etc.)

Given the above, and the very strong opinions and convictions embraced by Squee, I am somewhat at a loss as to why he would join the military.

Squee - why did you join, and why specifically the Navy?



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3MTA3
12-25-2001, 02:26 AM
hahaahahaha...sweet.

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squee
12-25-2001, 03:53 AM
Simply stated, Simon, I agreed to give up those freedoms so that other people could continue to enjoy them. It is through service to others that I become something; whereas "self-actualization" will take me nowhere. Also, maybe the reason why I am so adamant about Americans practicing their religious freedom and allowing others to do the same is because it is the only right I have left.

As for my other rights...in order to exercise any right, it must be within a certain structure or else it is nothing but an expenditure of random energy--just as the difference between work being done and an explosion occuring depends on the presence of an engine. I retain all my rights but I have to go through certain forms before they are legitimate (for instance, I have the right to petition...it's called "running a request chit up the chain of command"). http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

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