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Pianomahnn
02-06-2001, 01:36 AM
I found this on a message board I frequent...it's some good reading.
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Issue: The Second Amendment
To help clarify the issue of the second amendment to the
Constitution of the United States of America the
following items should be remembered.

Item Number One: (From The Declaration of Independence)

“ We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men
are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, -- That to
secure these rights, Governments are instituted among
Men, deriving their powers from the consent of the
governed”

Item Number Two: (From the Constitution of the United
States of America)

“We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect union, establish justice, insure the
domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense,
promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of
liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the United States of
America.”

Item Number Three: (From the Constitution of the United
States of America)

Article #4 Section #2

“The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all
privileges and immunities of citizens in the several
states.”

Item Number Four: (From the Constitution of the United
States of America)

Amendment II (A.D. 1791)

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the
security of a free state, the right of the people to keep
and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

- Note nowhere does it say the right of a militia,
National Guard or any other military organization.
Instead it is The right of the people. The governed.

Item Number Five: (From the Constitution of the United
States of America)

Amendment IV (A.D. 1791)

“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses, and effects, against unreasonable searches and
seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall
issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things seized.”

Item Number Six: (From the Constitution of the United
States of America)

Amendment V (A.D. 1791)

“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or
otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in
the land or naval forces, or in militia, when in actual
service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any
person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in
jeopardy of life or limb, nor shall be compelled in any
criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be
deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law; nor shall private property be taken for
public use, without just compensation.”

Item Number Seven: (From the Constitution of the United
States of America)

Amendment IX (A.D. 1791)

“ The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights,
shall not be construed to deny or disparage others
retained by the people.”

Item Number Eight: (From the Constitution of the United
States of America)

Amendment XIV (A.D. 1868)

“ All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of
the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.”

Item Number Nine: (From the state of California
Constitution)

Preamble:

“We, the people of California, grateful to Almighty God
for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings, do
establish this Constitution.”

Article 1 Section 1:

“All men are by nature free and independent, and have
certain inalienable rights, among which are those of
enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring.
Possessing, and protecting property: and pursuing and
obtaining safety and happiness.”

Article 1 Section 11:

“All laws of a general nature shall have a uniform
operation.”

Article 1 Section 16:

“ No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law
impairing the obligation of contracts shall ever be
passed.”

Article 1 Section 21:

“ The enumeration of rights shall not be construed to
impair or deny others retained by the people.”

Item Number Ten: (From the constitutions of the
individual states)

The following states clearly have in their Constitutions
the right of the “people” to keep and bear arms.

1) Alabama Article 1 Section 26
2) Alaska Art. 1 Sec. 19
3) Arizona Art. 2 Sec. 26
4) Arkansas Art. 2 Sec. 5
5) Colorado Art. 2 Sec. 13
6) Connecticut Sec. 15
7) Delaware Art. 1 Sec. 20
8) Florida Art. 1 Sec. 8
9) Georgia Art. 1 Sec. 1 Para. VIII
10) Hawaii Art. 1 Sec. 17
11) Idaho Art. 1 Sec. 11
12) Illinois Art. 1 Sec. 22
13) Indiana Art. 1 Sec. 32
14) Kansas Bill of Rights Section 1
15) Louisiana Art. 1 Sec. 11
16) Maine Art. 1 Sec. 16
17) Massachusetts Part of the First Art. XVII
18) Michigan Art. 1 Sec. 6
19) Mississippi Art. 3 Sec. 12
20) Missouri Art 1 Sec. 23
21) Montana Art. 2 Sec. 12
22) North Carolina Art. 1 Sec. 30
23) North Dakota Art. 1 Sec. 1
24) Nevada Art. 1 Sec. 1
25) New Hampshire Bill of Rights Article 2A
26) New Mexico Art. 2 Sec. 6
27) Ohio Art. 1 Sec. 4
28) Oklahoma Sec. 6 Para. # 26
29) Oregon Art 1 Sec. 27
30) Pennsylvania Art. 1 Sec. 21
31) Rhode Island Art. 1 Sec. 22
32) South Carolina Art. 1 Sec. 20
33) South Dakota Art. VI Sec. 24
34) Tennessee Art. 1 Sec. 26
35) Texas Art. 1 Sec. 23
36) Utah Art. 1 Sec. 6
37) Vermont Art. 1 Sec. 9
38) Virginia Art. 1 Sec. 13
39) Washington Art. 1 Sec. 24
40) Wisconsin Art. 1 Sec. 25
41) West Virginia Art. 3 Sec. 22
42) Wyoming 97-1-024

{I think it is safe to say that a preponderance of the
states gave the people the right to keep and bear arms.
What seems to be a common thread among these declarations
of rights is the ability of the state to limit the method
of carrying of firearms off the property. }

Summation:

- The rights of people come from their creator and belong
to everyone.
- The right of the government to govern comes from the
people.
- The right of the people to defend themselves is
undeniable.
- That the rights of people to have the same rights as
people in other states is absolute.
- That in that defense of home they have a right to bear
arms.
- That no law is to be passed that infringes on the right
of the people to keep and bear arms.
- That the people are to be free of illegal search and
seizure.
- That the people are to be free of self-incrimination.
(We cannot be forced to fill out forms incriminating
ourselves as recently reviewed and allowed by the Supreme
courts.)
- That ex post facto laws, dealing with past actions of
the people are illegal.
- That just because certain rights are detailed in the
Constitution and others are not, that does not mean that
people cannot posses other rights as of yet undetermined
or stated.
- The enumeration of the rights in the Constitution does
not limit the rights of the people.
- That if the people of other states have the right to
keep and bear arms then all the people of the United
States do.
- That no state may make a law denying these rights to
the people.

I am not a constitutional scholar, nor a lawyer; I am
just an average citizen who has researched this issue to
find out what the truth is.

The truth is that we the people, the source of the
government’s power, are having our rights taken away from
us in a slow creeping effort by our current politicians.

In my humble opinion the tail is wagging the dog as we
used to say in Tennessee. The root causes of the problems
of violence in America are being ignored for a quick and
politically expedient solution. The laws of the land are
quite clear, and for too long the citizenry has been made
to bear the brunt of criminals in their midst. This land
should be free of violence against any group; there
should be a general feeling of security in the streets.
Instead there is fear and we have the good honest people
locked in behind their fences and doors, while the
criminals roam free.

We don’t need “assault weapons” bans, we don’t need to
have more gun control, we need less. We need to be able
to carry our firearms openly in the land and to be able
to assist the police or the highway patrol as called
upon. We need to have the criminals locked up on the
first strike, not the third. We need to stop the insane
games being played that allow drug running gangs to run
free killing at will. Bottom line, you commit a crime
with a gun, fired or not, first time or not, not in your
self defense, you go to jail for a long, long time, at
least 30 years and it doesn’t matter if you are 10 or 100
years old.

Why do I feel so strongly about this? It is my rights
being taken away are one reason. Another is that twice a
firearm has saved my life and the life of my family. Both
times the criminals backed down and left without a fight
or a shot fired! I am not talking fantasy, rather fact!

If this RIGHT given to "we the people" dies, then
all our rights under our Constitution surely will. We
will not then be a free nation of people. We will be
enslaved and ruled by tyrants, like the majority of
other countries.
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This guy has his head on stright.



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disturbed
02-06-2001, 02:04 AM
i do believe RW has been screaming things like that for years, hell possibly since he was born.

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Faceplant
02-06-2001, 02:16 AM
i will never recognize alaska as a state...ha.

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Minimaul
02-06-2001, 05:03 AM
Why?

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SisterTaffy
02-06-2001, 12:41 PM
As President of the Baptist Ladies of the NRA for five years running I can only agree whole heartedly. When a lady can't walk into Neiman Marcus or Saks without some pesky security guard friksing her to see if she's packing heat then it's a sad, sad day.

Personally, I think they do it just to cop a feel.

YIC, (and couture)

Sister Taffy

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Dog Breath
02-06-2001, 01:24 PM
That is how our founding fathers sought to protect our liberty.

Here is why.

Following the armed conflict between American colonists and British forces at Lexington
and Concord on April 19, l77S, Gen. Thomas Gage, commander of British forces and the
royal governor of Massachusetts, demanded that Boston's citizens deposit their arms at
Faneuil Hall under the care of a Selectman before being permitted to leave the city, then
under siege by the colonial militia. After obtaining 1778 muskets, 634 pistols and 36
blunderbusses from citizens, the governor had an armed guard mounted over their arms
and refused to permit their owners to depart from the city.

The British forces occupying America were in the process of disarming individuals in cities in order to gain control. As a result we added a clause in our constitution to prevent it from happening again.

<A HREF=http://www.nraila.org/research/20000321-BillofRightsCivilRights-001.shtml>Do you doubt it? Click here to find out more. Look at the arguement in context for once. See why the signers of the declaration of independence signed</A>

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