Gays Rights

[Bumox]

I have nothing against a person's sexual orientation but there are too many militant left wing gay organizations that ask for too much!!! Let's talk about gay civil rights... Makes absolutly no sense.... There are already laws on the books that protect against discrimination of any kind. The key is to get the laws already there enforced.

Militant gays want to force their way into every organization they can get their hands on. Example, The Boy Scouts. The problem I have with this is they go out of their way to make a point that they are gay. Sexual orintaion has NO PLACE in the boy scouts. Keep you sexual orientation to yourself!!!! No one needs that much info about your personal life.

I have never once went to a job interview and said "oh by the way I am a practicing heterosexual. My favorite position is doggie style"

Your sexual turns on should never have to come up in a business enviroment. Sorry I may have offended a few.... But this is how I feel.



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[VenoM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bumox:

I have never once gone to a job interview and said "oh by the way I am a practicing heterosexual. My favorite position is doggie style"

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I'm putting that on my resume IMMEDIATELY! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

*wonders* so who's bending who over? =x
HOEHOEHE


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me too... cept for the practicing part [/sexual frustration http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif]

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[Bumox]

Two women?????

*Bumox Drools*

Oh sorry about that..... I think topic should fix all sexual orientions and situations.

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[SisterTaffy]

Those homo-sexual men were blessed with the ability to do hair, and accesorize a home. Isn't that enough?



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[Pianomahnn]

Gay pride parades. One more fucking thing that no one needs.

Excessive flaunting of your sexual orientation is not necessary. Hell, why not have a straight pride parade?? It would only make sense.

I just don't understand...

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[zoey]

Hello my name is Zoey, and i am a proud asexual female. Now give me that fucking job or i will sue your ass for being prejudiced.

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[MstrG]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bumox:
... Example, The Boy Scouts. The problem I have with this is they go out of their way to make a point that they are gay. Sexual orintaion has NO PLACE in the boy scouts. Keep you sexual orientation to yourself!!!! ....[/quote]

Ok, let's take this example. We have Mark Brown, a fictional but fitting character for our story.

Mark is an upstanding citizen in his community. He owns the photo shop at the strip mall in the middle of town, he's a member of the Chamber of Commerce, contributes to local charities and Little League teams, and he's an active troop leader in the Boy Scouts, having been a Scout himself growing up.

Mark is nondescript in his appearance and mannerisms. He's pleasant to talk with and is well liked in the community. But Mark has a secret.

Mark is gay.

Yes. And he's been gay all his adult life (he's 34 now). Of course, he's kept it hidden because he fears his standing in the community will suffer. Not even his family is aware.

Mark spends the weekends at the beach, 45 miles away, and sometimes goes there with friends, male ones. One weekend in particular, Mark is there and is laying on a beach towel with one of his friends, stroking his friend's arm while they're chatting, faces just a few inches apart. Along comes the father of one of the boys in Mark's troop; he notices the intimacy going on and continues by without saying a word.

Three days later Mark is called before the District Council and told he is being removed as a Scout leader, and is no longer welcome in their organization.

Now go back and read the originating quote in this post, and tell me why Mark should be "punished" for being gay? He has done nothing to flaunt his sexuality; in fact he's kept it quite divorced from his "public" life except for what he does on his own free time. He has never "used" his sexual preferences to claim any rights to special treatment in the Scouts or any other organization. Yet the Scouts decide he doesn't fit into their "moral code".

Their argument, of course, is that they are a "private" organization, and have the right to exclude anyone they want for any reason. Does anyone remember the pressure that was laid on private country clubs in southern states in the US (like Augusta National in Georgia) to allow blacks among their members? Or groups like the Friar's Club in NYC to let women in?

It would appear the ACLU, that represents groups like the gay community in actions against the Boys Scouts of America, aren't doing so in order to indoctrinate young boys into the gay lifestyle or any other such nonsense. But people like Mark should be allowed to continue in their roles, even if someone happens to "know" they are gay.

(The semi-hidden agenda here smacks of fascism. What the BSA and others want you to believe is that gay men have a higher propensity for paedophilia, and are therefore dangerous in positions of leadership in the Scouts. This is an outright fallacy. There is a higher proclivity for child sexual abuse among heterosexual men than gay ones. Go check the facts. If you like, I'll cite references.)

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[zoey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
I think that though homosexual relationships are biological aberrations, they should have equal rights as people but not preferrential treatment for being gay.

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Do you listen to Dr. Laura? http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
i don't know whether sexual preference is 'supposed' to be woven into our DNA, or if it is a matter of just plain personal opinion. isn't it possible that lesbians just find women more attractive, and more worthy of their love than men? And who can blame them? http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/tongue.gif



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[MstrG]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
I think that though homosexual relationships are biological aberrations, they should have equal rights as people but not preferrential treatment for being gay.[/quote]

Interesting you should quote almost verbatim the position of Dr. Laura, who has been universally panned for taking that stance. She has been characterized as a gay-basher by those who have never taken the time to actually listen to her, and instead taken this statement and made it their credo for tearing her down. How sad.

When gay callers are on her show, she has shown incredible compassion for their struggles. Yes, she has a moral stand against homosexuality based on her religious beliefs, but understands they are still people deserving respect.

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[Pianomahnn]

if the Boy Scouts of America don't want a gay person in their organization, they don't have to. It sucks for that person who got kicked up, but it's up to them.

Take for instance the KKK, I don't think they'd let a non-white in their group, would they? Now that's discrimination, is it not?

Although my analogy is not really on the same level, it makes a point. The Boy Scouts are not a government run program (that I know of, hell, maybe it is and this makes everything I'm saying worthless), and obviously has certain standards they want met. Gay people are not welcome in their organization, and they've tried to make that clear. How many parents would want a Adult Male (straight, non-married) in charge of their 12 year old girls on a camping outing. I don't know...they just might not. OH NO! Lets call discrimination on that one also!

Some people just need to understand that humans are discriminatory. And that will never change. Why would someone even want to be involved in a group that obviously hates them, anyways? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd just go camping and tie knots on my own time.

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[MstrG]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Pianomahnn:
if the Boy Scouts of America don't want a gay person in their organization, they don't have to. It sucks for that person who got kicked up, but it's up to them.[/quote]

We're not talking about a gay person, we're talking about all gay people. Class discrimination.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Take for instance the KKK, I don't think they'd let a non-white in their group, would they? Now that's discrimination, is it not?[/quote]

Look at the mission statement for the KKK and tell me non-whites would want to. It's apples and oranges: the BSA's purpose in life is not to persecute gays.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>....Gay people are not welcome in their organization, and they've tried to make that clear. How many parents would want a Adult Male (straight, non-married) in charge of their 12 year old girls on a camping outing. I don't know...they just might not. OH NO! Lets call discrimination on that one also!?[/quote]

You once again want to turn it into a fear-inciting argument: that somehow gay men are going to imprint their sexuality on the children, or worse, engage them in illegal sexual contact. Here's one to chew on: a woman who remarries is far more likely to have her children sexually abused by the stepfather than any other domestic situation (including same sex parents of adopted children).

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Some people just need to understand that humans are discriminatory. And that will never change. Why would someone even want to be involved in a group that obviously hates them, anyways? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd just go camping and tie knots on my own time.[/quote]

You're right. One need only sniff about this thread to catch that noxious aroma. But humans are also selfish. And some are lazy. Does that mean we shouldn't try to overcome our negative behaviors and self-destructive thought patterns? The intent is not to be part of an organization that hates them ... you once again want to apply the 'wrongful action' label on gays. This is about acceptance.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>La La La. I was playing UT earlier. So much fun.[/quote]

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[Mattdecay]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Pianomahnn:
Gay pride parades. One more fucking thing that no one needs.

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">I went to one of those in northern Chicago and was surprised to find that it was less about flaunting and more of a demonstration for gay rights...It was a pretty unique experience. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be complaining if there was a lesbian pride parade with scantily-clad, decent looking females making out and shit...</FONT f>

Excessive flaunting of your sexual orientation is not necessary.

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">I couldn't agree more. <sarcasm>At high school and at various jobs I've had, I'll never get tired of hearing some testosterone-brimming male tell me "Man, I'd fuck her."</sarcasm></FONT f>

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<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MstrG:

What, your subscription to Weekly Reader ran out?

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[SisterTaffy]

This is a very enlightened group of individuals. I will step on the podium and state that what someone...anyone...does is their business. They should not have to devulge that information to anyone for any reason. Nor should they be discriminated against because of their relationships. Be they man-female, female-female, male-male relationships. It's really not anyone's business UNLESS they choose to make it so.

On the other hand, I think the Gay Rights issue has placed SO much focus on themselves that people are almost tired of hearing it. Instead of trying to stand out like a seperate class of people, perhaps a movement to show that they are like anyone else would be more beneficial and best understood by all. A float filled with drag queens, or a group of men-men, or women-women could be really effective if it weren't for the few VERY flamboyant ones who make the papers. The media likes to take the most outrageous person or group and use them when representing some time of organization etc... They typically do the same thing with African Americans; they seem to intentionally seek out the most offensive, uneducated person in an entire crowd to interview. When in reality that is NOT a fair representation. It makes everyone look bad and it isn't fair to anyone. The viewers get the wqrong idea, and an entire organization or race is portrayed wrongly.

I hate the media sometimes. Most of the time.

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[Faceplant]

i just dont understand gay people.

lesbians - stick things in twat. just like a penis...have twat lick, guys have tounges too.

gays- stick things in ass, just like a pussy, have dick sucked..women can suck it too...as for the having thing stuck in your ass part..i dont get.

but gays have rights like everyone else..there people..i dont think they should have special rights..but normal rights.

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[zoey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Faceplant:

but gays have rights like everyone else..there people..i dont think they should have special rights..but normal rights.

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Exactly! That's how i feel about every different class of people in general, be it homosexuals and minorities. That's why i'm so against affirmative action. it goes further than giving them the same rights that Whites have, it's giving them MORE. well i can argue affirmative action all day but this is a thread about homosexuality so i will stop it here, hehe.



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[Pianomahnn]

Gay rights separates them from everyone else. They've classifies themselves as something different, the same thing goes with anti-racial discrimination. Affirmative Action increases the gap.

Instead of just SHOUTING gay discrimination, back that shit up with some proof. I don't think on any application it asks for your sexual orientation, so what other reason would you not get the job. Hmm....could it be because you suck at what they want? Yes, that could be the same thing.

Everyone seems to want equality on all levels, yet they really don't. Women want to be firefighters but don't want the same test as the men. Minorities want the same equality but don't have to meet the same standards as white people because of Affirmative Action. Freaking fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

Just stop bitching about it. If you ain't cut for the job, you won't get it. Simple as that. Places have standards, and if you can't meet them, then shit happens. I can't get on the college honor society because I don't study enough. OH SHIT!! Im going to cry discrimination because they don't allow C students in their organization.

Fucking morons.

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[The Rapist]

Three weeks ago, I turned on the TV and became interested in watching a show regarding the X-games in Hawaii. For those of you who are unfamiliar with this, it is an "off-road" version of the Iron Man competition. Out of all the competitors that they interviewed, the only one I wanted to win was a man from Hawaii that was born without a foot. He had trained for years for this competition, qualifying at smaller events in order to place for the final big run. He wore a prosthetic leg that allowed him to both bike and run the ardous course. I sat in stunned silence as this man completed the course, not first, not second, but somewhere in the top 100. He even beat other so called "normal" athletes. When interviewed, the question was asked how he felt about competing in the race being "handicapped" - his reply was "what handicap?" He moved to hero status quickly. This is a man, who in my opinion would have every right to say "I'm different" and yet he believes just the opposite. Instead of lowering the bar, he meets and exceeds what others of us would find challenging. I oppose intervention by any government, organization or body of people where the underlying message is that "you are different and so, we will LOWER our standards in order for you to win" If we have proved anything to ourselves over the course of the last several thousand years it is that we do best when we compete against adversity and win or lose, we use all our strengths and talents. The biggest harm that is done to any person is to tell them that they are less than what they truly are. The biggest crime is when we do this to ourselves. Some of my best friends are gay, some are not, but they also do not promote themselves as weak, stupid or needing any special consideration. Celebrate your diversity, but realize that if you call attention to your being a victim, you only victimize yourself. Don't be surprised then if many of us who know you are not really a victim offer you a unsympathetic "BULLSHIT"

[SisterTaffy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by The Rapist:
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AMEN to everything you said. Sans the curse words as cursing is not within my realm.

Sister Taffy

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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

One of my friends once tried to tell me that he was special because he was gay. I told him that he was full of shit, he was special because he was himself. It did not go down too well... bollocks.

Anyway, I think perhaps some of the gay flag waving etc might be aimed at letting others who are too uncomfortable to be themselves know that they would have support for their lifestyles, and that they are not alone.

I can't fault that.

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