I do not feel.............

[Billyman]

patriotic, at all these days. I mourn for the dead and there families and friends. I am saddened by the current events so don't get me wrong. But:

I am also pissed at (of coarse) the terrorist, and any and everyone behind all this shit.

I am more pissed at our Gov't, the more I hear, the more I read, I see this could have easily been avoided. Yes I said EASILY been avoided. It <u>was</u> our fault, not you and me persay, but our Gov't and it's idioincrisy.(is that a word?)

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[Uberwonder]

Yes, RW jr, it's our fault. ::rolls eyes::
So, please, enlighten me as to how *WE* could have prevented this?

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[TotalAnarchy]

Wait. Its the terrorists fault, because without them this would have never happened.

But sometimes you don't forsee things. Before the Munich Games, you could take firearms on planes, as long as it was disasembeled and the firing pin was out. The Munich Games showed how bad this policy was, where Palestinian terrorists went after the Israeli team. After that we got metal detectors standard across the world, and guns were banned off. Only after 'progressive elements' started hijacking planes with guns did security really tighten hard on planes and at airports.

The agressors have the initiative, and so we can only react. Pre-emptive measures can only go so far, as the entire world has to be up to scratch on the same standards, while it only takes one bastard to get right through it. Dont be so harsh, because its not that easy.If it was, it would have been done by now.

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Wherefore rock they, purgatorial shadows,
Drooping tongues from jaws that slob their relish,
Baring teeth that leer like skulls' teeth wicked?
Stroke on stroke of pain, -but what slow panic
Gouged these chasms round their fretted sockets?
Ever from their hair and through their hands' palms
Misery swelters. Surely we have perished
Sleeping, and walk in hell; but who these hellish?"

[Billyman]

quote "not you and me persay"

Our letting every fucker from anywhere come and reside, own business, become legal aliens, etc.

And what about security? Boy we really were on top of that one!

An airline spokes person said the other day in response to a question:

"yeah we will have super tight security for a while, It'll taper off to where it was before....that kind of security slows down everything, it's an inconvenience and the american people wont stand for it and we would loose too much money".

Well how fucking convenient is all this shit!

stupid, stupid, stupid!

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[Billyman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Uberwonder:
Yes, RW jr


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[Koliedrus]

Patriotism starts with your self. Care about yourself and then think about Jojo. I'd like to eventually read your grandchildren's posts about what fuckups their grandparents were.

Work backwards from there and you'll see that we have a pretty special constitution. It's unlike any other on the planet. Granted, it's been twisted around for the sake of a special few but we've let it happen. We sit on our asses watching crap on TV and playing video games while the world turns around us.

We, the people of the United States of America have abused the privileges of freedom that our forefathers intended for us.

Education takes a back seat to sports, and if I don't stop this rant now you'll go on to something else.

'nuf said.

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[skalie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Billyman:

Our letting every fucker from anywhere come and reside, own business, become legal aliens, etc.

And what about security? Boy we really were on top of that one!

Well how fucking convenient is all this shit!

stupid, stupid, stupid!

[/quote]


You sound like an American Indian.


[This message has been edited by skalie (edited 09-15-2001).]

[Koliedrus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Koliedrus:
Patriotism starts with your self. Care about yourself and then think about Jojo. I'd like to eventually read your grandchildren's posts about what fuckups their grandparents were. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

Work backwards from there and you'll see that we have a pretty special constitution. It's unlike any other on the planet. Granted, it's been twisted around for the sake of a special few but we've let it happen. We sit on our asses watching crap on TV and playing video games while the world turns around us.

We, the people of the United States of America have abused the privileges of freedom that our forefathers intended for us.

Education takes a back seat to sports, and if I don't stop this rant now you'll go on to something else.

'nuf said.

[/quote]


Edit: Sarcasm is an artform I'll never master.



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[Billyman]

All I see is denial. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

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[Rabble Rouser]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by skalie:



You sound like an American Indian.

[/quote]

I agree.

Let's shut our doors and never let another nationality in again. Only people that live here now are good people. They will never ever ever commit a violent act.

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[Koliedrus]

If my wish that my kids can have the same freedoms as we have been given is seen as denial, I will stand corrected.

I don't know how to explain it to you.

We walked on the Moon. We've seen the edge of the Universe. We've discussed our place in between and realized that we've only just scratched the surface.

My kids can't help yours get to the stars if they continue to act like children throughout their lives.

It's time for us all to grow up.

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[Billyman]

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

- Albert Einstein


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[Billyman]

Originally posted by skalie:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Billyman:

[B]Our letting every fucker from anywhere come and reside, own business, become legal aliens, etc.

And what about security? Boy we really were on top of that one!

Well how fucking convenient is all this shit!

stupid, stupid, stupid!




You sound like an American Indian.


You seem to have left something out:

"yeah we will have super tight security for a while, It'll taper off to where it was before....that kind of security slows down everything, it's an inconvenience and the american people wont stand for it and we would loose too much money".


This is the kind of thinking that got us into this shit.



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[Billyman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Rabble Rouser:


[/B][/quote]

I agree.

Let's shut our doors and never let another nationality in again. Only people that live here now are good people. They will never ever ever commit a violent act.

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[/B][/quote]

Your point noted Rabble, but turn on your tv or radio and instead of going "oh dear", "oh my"..."thats so sad"..............listen to:

Trained in the US............

*Looking at the transit*...oh yeah we know this guy he bombed a bus back in.....

We know this guy too....he is known terrorist......

Known terrorist have been living in US for x-amount of years.......for training..........

The negligence of our security is obvious, I just can't comprehend how people can deny this, wake up people!


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[skalie]

Back to your original point Billyman, I can't see how you can ever possibly be secure against kamakazies, people fanatical enough to give their own lives for their cause.

A zippo and a petrol station for example.

[Billyman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by skalie:
Back to your original point Billyman, I can't see how you can ever possibly be secure against kamakazies, people fanatical enough to give their own lives for their cause.

A zippo and a petrol station for example.[/quote]

Your 100% correct skalie, we can't.

But in <u>this</u> situation, the events were a direct reflection of our own negligence and ignorance.

*our*-meaning US gov't.

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[King Bastard]

<FONT COLOR="Red">Hey Billyman, if you are really all that bored, try standing on the corner of Main St. with your 'terrorist detector' and scan the populous as they walk no by. Let me know how many you ferret out, ok?

What I am about to type, is hypocritical; you have been warned.

If you dont liek the people paid and selected to do the job of peotecting you and I, next time dont vote for them. Rather, vote for soemone else. That's hypocritical of me to say, since I have only ever voted once. That's changed... or will, next time I get to vote.

Now, do WE (you and I) have info on whom is and whom isnt a known terrorist? Prolly not. Do we want to go back to the days fo the REd Scare? Nope, I dont. I wasnt there the first time, and dont want the headache and loss of freedom in brought. Already the fact that theres a website to rat out your neighbor and phone numbers to call are steps in opposing directions of right and wrongness.</FONT c>

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[Billyman]

Negligence any way you fucking slice it.

Again I show you this, this is real:

An airline spokes person said the other day in response to a question:

"yeah we will have super tight security for a while, It'll taper off to where it was before....that kind of security slows down everything, it's an inconvenience and the american people wont stand for it and we would loose too much money".

Do you condone this behavior? Do you think this the way it should be? Find this way of thinking in airports in other countries.

Damn you people are blind.


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[King Bastard]

<FONT COLOR="Red">Ease up there sport, I've been to other countries, and in their airports, I know what you are TRYING to say to me.
Is the lack of security appaling, yes. Will it cost us convienece? Yes. For right now are we as a nation willnig to deal with it? Yes. Is it very likely that after a number of months or years we will grow slack again? Yes. It seems that we grew relaxed once, so we might well do so again. And not jsut us/US... there are a lot of compalcent peopel the world over. So any attempts to rattle sabers and point fingers need to be aimed at more than just your neighbor across the street.

Question is, What are you going to do about it? Quick to lay blame does not mean quick to help fix the problem. Yuo quote some guy from some airline, twice, speaking about some problem that may happen. I charge you with the task of finding and posting soem guy or gal's take on a solution. And you'll only have to post THAT once to make me happier. Dont just bark at the world about it being a pack of lazy shits, say and do something to help. If yo udont want to, your being just as lazy as the shits you are screaming at, just in a different and more annoying way.</FONT c>

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[Mudflap]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Billyman:


Our letting every fucker from anywhere come and reside, own business, become legal aliens, etc.


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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”[/quote]

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[GoFuckYourselves!]

It doesn't say, "Give us your scum who hate us, hate our way of life and wish to destroy us using any means necessary."

[Mudflap]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by GoFuckYourselves!:
It doesn't say, "Give us your scum who hate us, hate our way of life and wish to destroy us using any means necessary."[/quote]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">Balance.</FONT c>

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[Billyman]

Originaly posted buy Mudflap:

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Yup, that's half the problem.




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[MAC]

Just a quick shot in the dark here....

Billyman seems to be alluding to the fact that anyone who wishes to do us harm can walk right in and do it by simply following a couple of simple rules and them waiting for us to be relaxed by the fact that they didn't break any of our rules.

This goes for terrorists, rapists, con-artists, etc.

The bad-guys have always gotten away with commiting crimes because they cannot be locked up until they commit one.
Note: I have been saying this for years to which I hear:
"Oh shit, I think the police should be notified of this so they can all go home" http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Well, rather than going into crime I'll stay on terrorism.

US Org decides it wants to
wipe out
undermine
cause trouble
for Group A (in another country or this one)

US Org takes our money (US tax $$)and gives it to group B (who hates group A).

Now group B thinks we are its allys and a source of $$

10 years later
US Org wants to bother Group C
Group C is friends with the Group B

So
Us Org give funds to the Group D
Group D is friends with Group A

Now not only are we NOT funding
Group B but we ARE funding their enemys....

...and we wonder why they want to hurt us?

Note:
I'm not wasting time giving examples of how each group treats each of the other groups.
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