Nostradamus

[mute]

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning." - Nostradamus

how come i haven't heard of this guy?
am i that dumb? http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif
anyone got any good links? ones i find are crap...

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[skalie]

Quite right Mute, Nostradamus links are crap.

Here's something he said to a few of ourancestors though...

"Liberty shall not be recovered, a black, fierce, villainous, evil man shall occupy it, when the ties of his alliance are wrought. Venice shall be vexed by Hisler. Beast wild with hunger will cross the rivers, the greater part of the battlefield will be against Hisler. He will drag the leader in a cage of iron, when the child of Germany observes no law."


-Nostradamus

[King Bastard]

<FONT COLOR="Red">ok, no new thread, I rant here.

Its human nature to want to make sense of the unthinkable. The quatrains are worded so loosely that you can make almost any event of notable size fit into the context of almost any translation of the quatrain.

Meaning.

This is all bullshit.

someone named zeebedee over at SPF made a really strong point in a post. Are we going to lety words that are centuries old hold sway over how we choose to live? Words that speak of doom and destruction?

If we ARE going to let ancient text steer us, lets at least pick inspriational texts. I am not advocating picking up a bible or anything like that. What I am saying is... find a piece of poetry that bouys you, and let that be your guide. Find words of wisdom, not prophesy, that can shore the walls of your bruised hearts. I REALLY want to be a prick about this, I mean I really do. I am angry, hurt, confused, basically, I feel the way most fo you all do. But I dont want to let the terror and fear of this win over me. I really cant allow this. That was the point of this act.

Fear is the mindkiller. Its true.

There are all these accounts of heroic acts coming from this tragedy. And just like I say about strength, there are also many forms of heroism. From the person donating blood, to the person flaying their own habds to the bone sifting thru rubble to find just 1 more person alive.... we are all heros as long as we do not bow down to the fear of it all.

I just need to find mine own way of rising above this. And buying into the old French guys mutterings aint for me.</FONT c>

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Borne of sin, C',mon in

[Sinister Her]

The brothers are said to represent the twin towers (WTC) and the big city is definitely burning. There's another by him that's said to refer to this same 'incident'. I'll dig it up ..something about dual balls of fire..?

[Speach w/o Thinking]

Wow this Nastradamus is amazing.

Not only can he predict the future,
but he can also make these predictions in 1654 (even though he died in 1566)

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[mute]

he's right KB, this zee (not Nos.)...

and i also like to think of those firefighters of heros, because they are...

even before the building collapsed they werre running up the stairs rushing to save people... i say they are more corageous then a general going to war...

fear is a powerful and destructive ally, though it's outcome isn't intended for good... by flushing fear out of you, thinking of something else, you're fearing fear itself... learn to control...

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[disturbed]

All of this Nostradamus stuff is complete and utter bullshit. He is the tabloids biggest reason to sell their shit. All of this running around screaming about the end of the world (starts in the East and spreads to the West) and Nostradamus is just another excuse for people to worry. Causing Gas prices to rise for no reason at all. Because they fucking panicked, which is exactly what they want us to do. The only think that I am really fearful of is the other AMERICAN people who are so fucking paranoid they go crazy and do stupid shit. And that is a sad, sad thing to say. People are letting them accomplish what they set out to do. We owe it to everyone involved, esp the people that died to stand strong and make it through this.

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Victims.. Aren't we all?

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[mute]

vigilance

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[Asmodeus]

Agreed, we as a people or individuals should not place our entire belief system into something written hundreds or thousands of years ago. That is not only wrong it is stupid.

So what if someone predicted something a long time ago. Does that make it any more true than a prediction I make today? Nope.

If we are to live our lives by what Nostradamous wrote and prophesized about, why not do the same with the book of Revelation? They basically speak of the self same calamity. Coincidence? I think not. You do the specific comparison. The burning of the great city has been interpreted as what, the fourth seal? I can't remember.



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[sublime]

http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

go there to read a bit of nostradamus related skepticism.

as far as inspiring readings, i'd recommend Brönte's Song.

It's not exactly inspiring, but definitely something to be read in the wake of a death..

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Who needs action when you got words?

[sublime]

okay i did a quick search for the poem and couldn't find it, so i'll write it out here..
(in case you couldn't tell, i like it a lot http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif )

Song

The linnet in the rocky dells,
The moor lark in the air,
The bee among the heather bells
That hide my lady fair:

The wild deer browse abover her breast;
The wild birds raise their brood;
And they, her smiles of love caressed,
Have left her solitude.

I ween that, when the grave's dark wall
Did first her form retain,
They thought their heartscould ne'er recall
The light of joy again.

They thought the tide of grief would flow
Unchecked through future years;
But where is all their anguish now,
And where are all their tears?

Well, let them fight for honor's breath,
Or pleasures shade pursure--
The dweller in the land of death
Is changed and careless too.

And, if their eyes should watch and weep
Till sorrow's source were dry,
She would not, in her tranquil sleep,
Return a single sigh.

Blow, west wind, by the lonely mound,
And murmur, summer streams!
There is no need of other sound
To soothe my lady's dreams.

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Who needs action when you got words?

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[Cruise Director]

64,000 predictions. All vague and open. Of course he's gonna hit a few of them.

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Some of it's magic..
Some of it's tragic..
But I've had a good life all the way.

[abs0lutionCFH]

http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

[TotalAnarchy]

good link Absolute. Thanx. Put some things straight for some people I think................

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"who are these? Why sit they in twilight?
Wherefore rock they, purgatorial shadows,
Drooping tongues from jaws that slob their relish,
Baring teeth that leer like skulls' teeth wicked?
Stroke on stroke of pain, -but what slow panic
Gouged these chasms round their fretted sockets?
Ever from their hair and through their hands' palms
Misery swelters. Surely we have perished
Sleeping, and walk in hell; but who these hellish?"

[PB]

I have to say it is interesting and everything...

But predictions such as these are just like horoscopes. They are generally large enough to cover several things. It is all about how you take what someone says. Or atleast that's my opinion. People have searched for signs forever of the "end of the world" or the " 2nd coming of the Lord" . ANytime anything happens they begin to point to things in the past. Not saying the bible is wrong or whatever.... but the point being people trying to find some rationalization to anything!

PB

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[King Bastard]

<FONT COLOR="Red">It's all too easy to see what you want to, given a small chunk of info.

Last nite at work (applebee's) I was just doing my job, cleaning all the tables and shit. Another Ny'er that works there tells methat the actual Port authority bus terminal got bombed as well (thankfully it didnt). What DID happen was that the P.A. had released the estimated death toll downtown, upwards of 20,000, but what she and I were looking at on the screen looked SO much like the front of that bus terminal, that she broke out into tears, I felt my stomach drop again, and all of this because info we were given was processed incorectly by our minds.

Back to the topic on hand. Any prediction, Nostrie's.. Cayce's... Jean Dixon.. whatever.. can be taken AFTER the fact and bent around what did happen, to be made to fit as tight as possible. The whole Hisler thing is a good example. 'Oh, he onyl got a few letters in Hitlers name wrong, but look... look at the stunning clarity of his prediction!'

Newsflash, we all can predict the future to an extent. We can do this by making the most of our collective present, by taking as much actual fact based knowledge from the past as possible. If we all just rush in and make a golf course out of the middle east, I predict that almost all 5 billion of us will die.

There, now I'm a prophet as well.

Do I get to meet Chris Rock now?</FONT c>

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[TotalAnarchy]

no. No Chris Rock for you KB. Sorry.................... http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

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"who are these? Why sit they in twilight?
Wherefore rock they, purgatorial shadows,
Drooping tongues from jaws that slob their relish,
Baring teeth that leer like skulls' teeth wicked?
Stroke on stroke of pain, -but what slow panic
Gouged these chasms round their fretted sockets?
Ever from their hair and through their hands' palms
Misery swelters. Surely we have perished
Sleeping, and walk in hell; but who these hellish?"

[mute]

PB says it best, it's like a horoscope...

he made 64,000 predictions?

reason i started this is because i've never heard of him... when i first read that quote, i said holy shit... but now i see the whole pciture...

it sure does creep me out, but i won't believe it...

it's all just a silent pause, for now...

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