Waht the hell!?

[Sinister Her]

I picked my girls up Sunday from their weekend visit with their Father and he passed a cassette tape off to me. Cool, right?
"Old MacDonald Had a Farm" ..we jammed the ride home. Suddenly a song comes on and I can't even speak. My girls are merrily singing along and I'm sitting there dumbfounded at what I am hearing.

Give this a listen (http://members.aol.com/madameskank/whatthehell.wav)

The lyrics:

...upstairs, downstairs
in my Lady's chamber
There I met an old man
Who would not say his prayers
I took him by the left leg
And threw him down the stairs

little girl says: "I wonder if he broke his leg"

What are your thoughts? listen (http://members.aol.com/madameskank/whatthehell.wav)

[This message has been edited by Sinister Her (edited 08-09-2001).]

[Sinister Her]

Fix your tag, damn you!

I know, right? It would be funny as hell for the likes of us, but for a 3 and a 5 year old? That's just crazy, dude.

[Sinister Her]

I just had a serious flashback. Anyone (back in high/middle school) take lame ass cassettes from Mom and Dad's stash, figure out you could fill in the holes on the top of the tape and record over them? Haha ..I remember doing that. My Mom found Phil Collins in my bedroom, repossessed it, popped it into the player and jammed to ..what? Metallica!? lol Oopsie.

Shit. Well, I taped over that particular song on the tape. The other 30 or so are acceptable, I guess. Go, Mom!

I think I'll find out who manufactured these tapes, though ..and send them an e-mail. Everyone has a .com these days, dontcha know?

heh

[MAC]

I'm with yah.

I can't listen to the song on my puter but I see the lyrics.

Nursery Ryhmes of old were fairly gruesome in there day but when coupled with the CRAP on the radio and TV right now...

...our monitoring of what our children get is of EXTREME importance.

My wife and I are as careful as we can be about both what and how much of TV and radio our 3 year old gets.
That makes it difficult to leave her some places, cause you can't adequately express to some people what is and is not allowed around your kid.

Go into the doctors office and whats on the radio in the background???

"the club is fulla ballers and they pockets fullgrown"

So, here's a fun new angle for some of our tribals.

My child is not free...she has no rights.
She must submit to my will for the time being.
When she was born she could physically do nothing by herself.
Now she is more physically able but is not mentally able to comprehend many things or make disccisions about what will or will not hurt her.

Ready, here come the morals>>>>>>>

My wife & I are her instructors.
We will not let her take on tasks
that require her judgement
until we feel she is capable of

doing them right

or

earning from her mistakes

As she can take on tasks my wife and i will have to allow her more freedom...

As she exercises her freedom she will discover her rights and thusly...
they will become hers.

I can only protect her while I have some physical control her and I can't control her once she mentally matures.

There's your mind and your body...
and your freedom and your rights...

The hard part for me:
I will not fill her head with crap...
But I can not lie to her about what crap is out there.
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This is nothing like a puppy.


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[Sinister Her]

NOTHING like a puppy, indeed.

[Lightbulb]

You're joking, right?

That's a traditional nursery rhyme from Victorian England, probably from late 17th century tradition and formalised in the 18th century.

You find the lyrics offensive?

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[toodrunktocare]

the nursery rhyme is (as far as i remember) called "Wee Willy Winkle".

i was taught this nursery rhyme when i was but a young'un and i truned out ok (for the most part).

the point is you'll be hard pushed to find a nursery rhyme that is pure and innocent, just like you'll be hard pushed to find a fairy story with pure an innocent origins. think of "ring around the roses" a rhyme about the black plague, or "jack and jill" where poor old jack has a nasty accident and breaks his skull open.

people have been saying these rhymes for centuries and for the most part, society has survived. i wouldn't worry about it, children on the whole just think of it as a song, if they think anymore they're advanced beyond their years.

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i'm not posting this. i dont post here. ;)

[Billyman]

I'm trying to be serious and I understand your point SH but I can't stop laughing! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif



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Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not easy.

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[Sinister Her]

My point is simply that I don't think children should be sung to that it's acceptable to push someone down the stairs and perhaps break their leg because they would not pray. My daughter said to me that
"he should have prayed!" ..now she thinks that if she doesn't pray she'll be pushed down the stairs? That's not disturbing to you?

Perhaps it's only offensive to me because I do not believe in nor pray to a God. The other nursery rhymes spoken off and said to mean deeper things, I never took for more than face value because their true meaning, as you believe it to be, was not so blatantly spoken as in this one. I'll be damned if my child will be frightened into prayer by the singing of someone not doing so resulting in his being pushed down the stairs. Hmmph.

-kish

[davers]

You should see what happens when I don't pray. It doesn't involve stairs, but a bannister could probably be used as part of the apparatus.

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[Back Tick]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Sinister Her:
My point is simply that I don't think children should be sung to that it's acceptable to push someone down the stairs and perhaps break their leg because they would not pray. My daughter said to me that
"he should have prayed!" ..now she thinks that if she doesn't pray she'll be pushed down the stairs? That's not disturbing to you?[/quote]

BEHOLD! The power of the church!


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"tryin to find my way, the best that, the best that I know how."

[Smug Git]

As a matter of vanishing interest, my gran's copy of trivial pursuit told me that the profession of Kitty Fisher and Lucy Lockett (as in the nursery rhyme containing 'Lucy Lockett lost her pocket and Kitty Fisher found it...') was prostitute! She got it wrong and I told her it was 'washerwoman'! Tragically, there was no escaping from teh fact that polyorchids have 3 testicles (que?) and that 'diphallic terata' is the possession of two penises! There's no innocence anywhere...



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If you find out what happened yesterday
While you were away in this land of Cain
We were upstairs in the bedroom, dancing, disgusting
And flushing our babies down the drain

[Mudflap]

Hey diddle, diddle
The cat and the fiddle
The cow jumped over the moon
The little dog laughed
To see such sport
And the dish ran away with the spoon

<FONT COLOR="Orange">I was around 2 to 3 years old when I first heard this one. It was then that I gave up on humanity.</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="red">It has to start somewhere.
It has to start some time.
What better place than here?
What better time than now?
All hell can't stop us now.</FONT c>

[King Bastard]

<FONT COLOR="Red">Lessons can be hidden in a lot fo ways. Nursery ryhmes are a way to try to teach kids that the world is a nasty place at times.

Now here's the thing, its our job as parents to pick and choos ethe lessons that we want our kids to learn. Sini is, rightfully in my opinon, not wanting her daughters to be scared into submissive behaviour by some archaic tune. Is the song to blame? No, Is the Church to blame? Not neccesarilly. THere is no blame per se.. just personal choice about how to raise your own kids.

BTW... go sini! Teach those girls that fear is the mindkiller, and that this world needs many more strong women.</FONT c>

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[Skeet]

hahahahahaha

what a great fuckkin song

classic

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Soon to come, something that means nothing...
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