On the matters of the recent controversies

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

I don't have a problem with any of that. In fact, I quite like the idea.

[TokenCracker]

RW is telling us to behave like we were kids in the back of a minivan

the asylum suxs, so ban me

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[Poteen]

The whole thing sounds really cool and will no doubt attract alot, if not tons, of new members... I must say that I'm afraid if you remove the "I must first accept them before they can post" thing and let members join freely this place will at some time look just like all the others and topics will slowly loose their beauty and turn into mindless conversations between new members fucking with each other.. But I guess thats the price to pay if you want to grow.. I must say that I'm a bit sceptic about all this but who isn't when it comes to big changes... If you do it I'm 100% behind you!

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Thats your answer!

[gone~away]

my feelings on the asylum should be well-known to all.

but if it is for the betterment of a place in which i frequent.. then so be it

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[Lucretia]

<font color=669966>Rogue, I'm so sorry that this is happening. But wait, let's stop to think. People are ALWAYS going to have their opinions. They may not always be the same, hence why we are all different. If you start telling people that they can't say things, you're going to be the bad guy. People don't think about things. They're not going to see that they can keep their opinions. Their going to see that you don't want to see them.

I think that by you bashing a group, it's limiting the possibilities. You're not always going to get along with people, and NO ONE is asking you to. If you have problems with certain people, take it up with them. You can't blame a whole forum for you not getting along with a couple of them. If nothing else, it will only add to people wanting to get involved. (entertainment value)

For example, say you went to the Asylum, and they nothing more than bash this forum. Would you honestly want to register there?

Say someone from Asylum, and you, didn't get along. Wouldn't it be interesting to compare ideas and opinions with them? Not necessarily "flame" each other, but "discuss". (I've noticed the differences in "flaming" techniques, someone would get hurt.)

Just keep in mind that no one is telling you what to say, or think. We're just trying to help, and receive help, in expanding. </font>

[Bishop]

The majority of us here are originally from the SPF. As we all know, there is no love between the Asylum and stile project. In fact, there is a LOT of animosity between the two forums.

In the past, the only problem I had with the people were the ones coming into the forum and telling everyone that we are all lame asses and lambs of stile, how he will "fuck us" like he did them and giving off this smug fucking attitude of superiority. This really irritated me; not because I thought stile wasn't going to do whatever the fuck he wanted, but because all I could see was some spiteful people STILL lashing out at the source of pain from so long ago (and really, taking it out on the wrong people to boot) claiming to be "old skoolers" who were there in the "beginning" of everything. If it were me, I seriously would have NO reason to go into a forum and talk shit to someone for running their site the way they saw fit, even if it concluded my free access to that place.

I do admit a lot of people were defending stile, but then again... how does one know what's a game in which who is playing who for a sucker? One thing I do know is once this game begins it doesn't stop until one side or the other gets sick of the pointless bickering- regardless of who is right or wrong.

As things are, I really don't fucking care who is right or wrong. What I do care about is the people here are trying to start anew JUST like the Asylum did before. Now, we can do one of a two things here. We can slap their hand out of our faces (like we've done so far) or we can ALL be mature about this and let GO of all the bullshit from the past and benefit- on both sides.

This forum will grow with or without help, but I for one would like to have that help as opposed to MORE USELESS FUCKING FIGHTING ABOUT WHO HAS A BIGGER GODDAMN DICK!

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[Rabble Rouser]

I like the idea. Yes, there have been derogatory statements about the Asylum thrown around, but I think that Wonder (and everyone else) needs to keep in mind that it is just not possible to please everyone. There will be people that don't like the Asylum, and they have every right to say that. Wasn't the Asylum created because stile attempted to censor you and you wanted a place to speak freely? The way I look at it, at least you're dealing with honest people and not ones that are going to falsely kiss your ass in exchange for a link. I am in no way condemning you...this is just how I see it.


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[SisterTaffy]

The more people that I can expose to my infinite wisdom and high moral values the better. END TIMES are coming and I want as many of you going to Glory with me as possible. God knows that my mansionn in heaven is going to be enormous so I'll need all the domestic help I can get.

Applications being accepted.

My Granny Georgia-Sue, may she rest in peace, always said that you can catch more bees with honey. Then, once you've got them in a jar, you can pour some gasoline in there -light it and toss it at the Cathylicks. Go for it!

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[Bishop]

That's inhumane against bees. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

Hurting bees makes baby Jesus cry. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

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[Zombie]

OK, I would imagine that I am about to become really unpopular, but I have a few things to say about this whole thing.

1.) Who gives a shit about SPF? I swear, some of you spend more time talking about that than anything else. If I was interested in the goings on at SPF, I would fucking go there myself.

2.) If you want to talk smack about some place on the web, have the balls to go and do it there. Don't be a whiny chickenshit and run places or people down behind their back. People like that suck.

3.) If a board (or board admin) can't handle flaming from people, get the fuck out of the business. It's a part of life when asking people for their input. If that's all you hear, then maybe there's a message there. Otherwise you will have just as many people or more saying positive things. Deal with it either way.

4.) Rogue, I'm surprised and disappointed that this post is even here. You're not censoring us outright, you're asking us to do it ourselves. That's just as bad. If the price of being 'in the club' is silence, then perhaps you may want to reconsider the benefits of being in that clique.

5.) I've been playing around in chat rooms and bulletin boards since before a lot of you were driving a car. If I have one lesson to pass on, it's that if you are so involved in the politics of an online forum to such a degree as to become irate and hold a grudge over a post then you are missing something that we old skoolers call 'reality.' For those of you unfamiliar with this concept, it is that thing that is happening somewhere outside of a fucking computer screen. You should try it.

Some of you are WAY too busy worrying about other boards. If this board has the right mix, it will live. If not then people will go elsewhere. It will certainly not have content that people want to see if the posts are about another board, or by asking members to curtail what they write about any given subject.

My hostility vent for the morning...



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[Bishop]

I have a woodie now. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

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[Lucretia]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Bishop:
I have a woodie now. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

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<font color=669966>Sucks to be you, I just came all over myself. You should ask for your money back.

edit: My fingers were still excited!</font>

[This message has been edited by Lucretia (edited 01-18-2001).]

[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">I'll keep my comments brief, as I am getting more and more disgusted with this subject:

1. To the people ragging on the Asylum: If you think it sucks, give a better reason other than how you feel left out of all the inside stuff. They have formed friendships and none of us are 100% privy to all the details of those friendships right off the bat. Deal with it.

2. I agree with Zombie 100%. If you feel the need to down it, go there and do it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

I wasn't too impressed with the Asylum when I first visited it, but not because it didn't give me a "warm fuzzy" to participate. To be frank, I was turned off on how every thread seem to deviate toward personal conversations way off topic. But I lurked a while, and found that it didn't go down like that in all threads. Many of the threads are informative and entertaining, which is what I want out of a forum in the first place. While I defend the Asylum, I still don't post there much. It's my fucking choice.

In conclusion, feel free to slam the Asylum if you feel the need to, but please demonstrate some intelligence and explain your negative feelings with something other than "I don't like it because I don't."</FONT c>

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[gone~away]

the 'politics' of an online forum are actually VERY important, im sick of everyone saying they aren't. if i wanted to go to the asylum i probably wouldn't be talking 'smack' about it now would i? in fact if i wanted to go there to voice my opinion of it, it would probably be rave reviews.. but its not, and i don't.. because i hate the place.

the spf, though i presently am not enamored of it, is where almost ALL of us came from, and MOST of us still post there, making it relevent to US... if it's not to you, then fuck off and read another thread, we aren't here to cater to your whims.

i personally would rather the option then have my posts deleted, perhaps cutthroat moderating is something YOU are comfortable with, but not me.. in fact it pisses me off.. i think rogue is handling it as best he can, and applaud his efforts.

reality is here, there, EVERYWHERE. this IS reality numbnuts.. if it wasn't then this would be a dream now wouldnt it.. this is life, we are having a conversation.. though delayed and electronically IT IS STILL LIFE.. STOP FUCKING HIDING BEHIND THAT WHOLE COMPUTER/'REAL' LIFE thing...

i will frequent many/few/no boards as i choose.. and you will not be kept up to date... your whole 'hostility vent' seems to be nothing but the ravings of a malcontent and is SHOCKINGLY reminiscent of SPF, the place you claim to be above...

argh.



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[Tanis Half Elven]

Um I have a question, do any of you work in retail? Cause if you do you'll see what Rogue is asking us to do.

No matter how much you like or dislike something just be civil about it. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/eek.gif (If the runners of Asylum have a problem with critism then who gives a damn about them anyhow.) It's one of the main rules at the store I work at, (the second of course being if someone is being really anal with a comic grade try to refrain from jumping over the counter and raining blows down upon them till they're a bloody pulp...)

As for those who "can't believe Rogue is asking us to do this". Let's look at it from his view point, "I've spent alot of time working on this and it seems to be going well, to continue to have this happen I ask you all to be civil to another forum. Otherwise all my hardwork could be for nothing when we no longer get new members and the forum gets stale and disinteresting."
(Correct me if I'm wrong Rogue)

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[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">While I have no clue as to what a Tanis Half Elven is, I agree with his last post 100%.

I have worked retail and that was a very refreshing perspective to put on this whole hub-bub.

*hands Tanis Half Elven a package of Double Stuff Oreos*

Well said.</FONT c>

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[Lucretia]

<font color=669966>I'm going to kick you all right in the ass!

Do you not see what is going on here?

Ok, I'm hearing the EXACT same things from all the forum people. There are bound to be 'inside jokes' between people. Get over it! Asylum people have been together awhile. SPF people have also been around eachother for awhile. Both are going to feel the same thing during any kind of merge. This is why you need to take the time to get to know one another. Fuck this is so ignorant!</font>

[zoey]

I say ROgue, do whatever you damn well please, and you'll know how successful it is or isn't, after 50% of us LEAVE. it is not our job to sugarcoat our feelings about other UBB's. if i don't like something, i'm going to say it, and you just TRY to stop me, or anyone else from doing so. Oh wait oops, you're already trying to do that.

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You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you DREAM (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/wishlist/2V8Q3IB8F9B0X/ref=wl_em_to/107-2865667-5707752?add-fav=1) about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM (http://mangled.org) about it
I hope your conscience eats at you and you can't BREATHE (http://engine09.com) without me

[Zombie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by gone~away:

reality is here, there, EVERYWHERE. this IS reality numbnuts.. if it wasn't then this would be a dream now wouldnt it.. this is life, we are having a conversation.. though delayed and electronically IT IS STILL LIFE.. STOP FUCKING HIDING BEHIND THAT WHOLE COMPUTER/'REAL' LIFE thing...[/quote]

You are absolutely precious. And probably a virgin to anything other than your hand.

You good folk are missing the point entirely. If you don't want the board to go stale, then you're going to need to draw new users from other places besides one or two other forums. The point is not whether we should be talking civilly about these other boards, it's that these other boards shouldn't even be more than a RARE topic of conversation. Otherwise any new membership that is not from the established clique is not going to hang around long, because quite frankly it's boring as hell to see inside jokes and clique mentality conversations. If you participate in that sort of crap, then YOU are contributing to the demise of this board.

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[Dog Breath]

OK RW here is the opinion of an outside observer.

I feel I can be objective because I still like the SPF and I like this place. I don't like Stile but you are one of my favorite posters from the SPF.

Also I have never been to the Asylum and have never talked to anyone from there. I don't have an opinion of them other that what I know from the facts of this thread (I will ignore the opinions)

Higher site traffic is good for you $ to run the site. Frankly to me I don't give a shit. I started my own board just like you a little over a year ago. I did it with my own money and for my own reasons. My board was cool for about three weeks and everyone left. In that respect I can see why you want traffic so the board will stay alive.

The attitude of the admin of the Asylum worries me. If you comply in order to get the link then he owns a piece of your site. If you piss him off, "no more link for you monkey boy". There are other rings and places to get traffic. Either tell him you respect free speech and link us the way we are or let's look together for other sources of traffic. Then let him beg us for a link.

I have an idea for a link but they are elitist nerf bags too so it might end up the same. Sucks to be you. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

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[Lucretia]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Zombie:
And probably a virgin to anything other than your hand.

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<font color=669966>We are our own best lover. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif</font>

[Zombie]

Heh..I'd give you a high five on that one, but I'm afraid your hand might still be sticky from your post above. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[Lucretia]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Zombie:
Heh..I'd give you a high five on that one, but I'm afraid your hand might still be sticky from your post above. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

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<font color=669966>You'd love EVERY minute of it!

What's that saying? Finger licking good? Heh.

Edit: My damn fingers are STILL excited!</font>




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[King Bastard]

My take, for what it's worth.

I say if there is going to be a sale of a pound of our flesh to get us linked, fuck all that. Meaning, if we have to be critical of our own opinions on things as small as another forum, it's not worth it.

I kinda dug asylum in my breif spin around the place. Everyone was cool to me. But I, like Zoey, cant groove the fact that I need to sugarcoat things for another site just to make nice with them.

Bottom line, I am sure we can get linked to other places to bring in fresh blood. And if that's what needs be done, lets do it.

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[Strider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Zombie:
OK, I would imagine that I am about to become really unpopular, but I have a few things to say about this whole thing.

1.) Who gives a shit about SPF? I swear, some of you spend more time talking about that than anything else. If I was interested in the goings on at SPF, I would fucking go there myself.

2.) If you want to talk smack about some place on the web, have the balls to go and do it there. Don't be a whiny chickenshit and run places or people down behind their back. People like that suck.

3.) If a board (or board admin) can't handle flaming from people, get the fuck out of the business. It's a part of life when asking people for their input. If that's all you hear, then maybe there's a message there. Otherwise you will have just as many people or more saying positive things. Deal with it either way.

4.) Rogue, I'm surprised and disappointed that this post is even here. You're not censoring us outright, you're asking us to do it ourselves. That's just as bad. If the price of being 'in the club' is silence, then perhaps you may want to reconsider the benefits of being in that clique.

5.) I've been playing around in chat rooms and bulletin boards since before a lot of you were driving a car. If I have one lesson to pass on, it's that if you are so involved in the politics of an online forum to such a degree as to become irate and hold a grudge over a post then you are missing something that we old skoolers call 'reality.' For those of you unfamiliar with this concept, it is that thing that is happening somewhere outside of a fucking computer screen. You should try it.

Some of you are WAY too busy worrying about other boards. If this board has the right mix, it will live. If not then people will go elsewhere. It will certainly not have content that people want to see if the posts are about another board, or by asking members to curtail what they write about any given subject.

My hostility vent for the morning...

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Amen Brutha Zombie. I totally agree.

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[SisterTaffy]

As you know I am a very demure person and hardly ever speak up. Most would call me "shy" even. However, I will try to break from my norm and add something to this topic if I may.

The way I see it there are thousands and thousands of forums out there. I'd rank about 95% of them as pieces of *unholy word removed*. I frequent a lot of forums and to be really honest I was surprised by the quality at SPF. I expected to find a bunch of rock-n-roll teens when I saw that there are some very, very bright people over there. Granted a lot of the talk is about unnatural, premarital, relations among unmmaried adults. But that's ok. It gives me souls to save. Praise Jesus!

The Asylum, I've known of for a while and visited but never posted. I see it is another group of educated, bright minds raising a bit of hell and having a good time.

I see RW and the moderators working very hard to establish the Hypertribe as a site & forum that is very cutting edge, still fun, and a bit more serious than the others. I've seen a lot of fourums/message boards come and go but this one I see being around for a very long time. It's unique, interesting, there is a lot of work going into it which is evident.

Differences of opinion will occur in any forum. Especially when you take the hight energy that these three forums all possess. I would think it rather boring and typical if it weren't. Contoversy? Yes, of course! The more the merrier.

I am really in no position to offer whether or not RW should link or not link with Asylum. But from a newbie perspective I can't see it doing any harm. If someone gets out of line then block them from posting. As for constantly bickering back and forth, yes it does stir up interest in one anothers forums but it also will get taxing after a while.

Goodness, have fun & flame. Share ideas and disagree. Learn and live. But keep it in perspective. From what I see so far, I like that all three sites offer something different.

Naturally, all of you are going to hell if you aren't a Baptist anyway so in the long run our time together will be brief. Jesus is coming soon and he's gonna open a can of whoop ass on all of you, sinners! ;-)

I step down from my podium and look around thinking "who can I rebuke next?"

YIC,

Sister Taffy




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[Uberwonder]

Sister Taffy said, "ass". *snicker*

[Dog Breath]

LMAO!!!!
shucks Sister Taffy it is too bad you are already spoken for. I think I am in love with you.....sniff sob.



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[Mr. Snrub]

Do what you gotta. Just don't mess up my hair.

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[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Snrub:
Do what you gotta. Just don't mess up my hair.

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If you'd sit still until i'm finished, you wouldn't have to worry about your hair
getting messed up.


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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

OK, you know tact is not my strong point Rogue, so I am just going to speak my mind and hope you don't get to snotty about it.

I like what you have created, and it is a nice alternative to the SPF. It will not replace it, ever. SPF has it's own flavour and will draw people for that reason, and so too will this forum.

All the stuff about stealing members though, I must confess I find a tad irksome. I do not plan on stopping going to the SPF (provided nipple does not ban me), as it still has stuff there which I enjoy.

From everything that has been said, and I am looking at this objectively and as a whole, it DOES seem to me like this forum, and the grounds of admittance to it, is starting to get an elitist flavour to it.

If that is your goal, then so be it, it is your forum. I personally, don't like the elitist attitude though. If it was not your desire, then my suggestion would be to stop expressing yourself in a manner which exudes a 'ha ha ha, I've got my own forum, and you're not good enough to post here" manner.

Admittedly, I am flattered that you think highly enough of me to be admin, and that I can have the pleasure of reading and responding to the posts on this forum. But in no way do I feel that my personal opinions on issues make me better than others, whether they be from the SPF or the Assylum. Some people are just nasty, those who never have a kind word, or make personal attacks for the sake of their own amusement. That is the sort of person I would like to see stopped from coming here. Everything else is just stimulating debate.

Although it is rare for a person to change their mind on issues they feel strong about, it is still good to have a diversity of people posting, even if they are people you do not like because of their views, just to keep the brain chewing over new ideas. Otherwise, the brain, and this forum, will become stagnant and decay.

[Tanis Half Elven]

It all comes down to the concepts of "in theory" and "in practise".

In theory this should be a total cluster fuck, where anyone can say pretty much anything and the owner can take pride that he has created a space that this can happen in.

In practise this can't be a total cluster fuck where anyone can say anything they want to say for then people will be driven away and there won't be anything left.

Don't beat yourself up over this Rogue, just because you've come to realize that everything needs boundaries doesn't make you one of the enemy. It all comes down to what you want and what would make you happier, cause if your'e not happy with this site it won't be around much longer.

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[Bishop]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
I have conflicting principles don't I? The principle that casued me to build this place is now conflicting with the principle that makes me want to make it better.

Strider just pointed out to me that I should change the description of this Forum so that it no longer reflect that this is a Total Clusterfuck. Because it isn't any more.

Maybe he's right. Have I just become all that I loathe and despise?

I'm going to think about that as I look for your responses to my statements.

[/quote]

You are trying way too hard. You're a man of driven action, that's your most prevalent quality. But you're pushing too hard here to use your head wisely. I don't think you realize how locked down this place is - that's really a good way to snuff it before it even begins.

I'd like to ask some things of the people here myself: Does anyone here know the set rules and guidelines to follow here, other than the generalized three rules Bumox put out for us to follow? Does anyone here feel censored in expressing themselves freely here? Does anyone here know how to use their access to remove threads, delete them, discontinue an abusive user? Does anyone here feel they would like to learn how to do these things, even if they have an idea on how to?

Personally, I feel like a fifth wheel here for lack of helping because you seem to have everything pre-set on how to run the show. I think you're wanting everything to go off without a hitch with your ideas of what is perfect for everyone you know and like.... Well, my friend, ALL good things need time to grow; there's no such thing as instant success in this world. You cannot force a group of people to think and agree as one, that's impossible.

One question. Are you letting this place bleed over into your personal life so much that it effects your happiness? If yes, then you're trying too hard.

Oh, one more thing... I do agree people should control themselves on causing pointless fighting, but I like to think of that course of action as being mature, and respectful.

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[Dog Breath]

I think enough discussion has gone on to make an educated decision.
You have the facts and opinions. It is your turn to lead. Make no mistake this place will need leadership to survive. Choose wisely but foremost choose. Don't do polls don't have votes. Make your dream of this place a reality and let us adjust.

I wouldn't put it past Toady or Nipple to do a mass banning on us but if so, so be it.

This place is nice and filled with cool people. You have already won! What ever your decision I will stay till I get pissed off totally just like everyone else.

Just keep your ear to the ground and kick some ass!

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[Uberwonder]

Beautifully said RW, and right on the mark.
As I stated in my first thread in here, this place has an incredible amount in common with the Asylum. Both sites sprang from the loins of the SPF (for some reason that sounds really sick) and for similar reasons. We have Stile to thank for providing a venue that we were fortunate enough to be able to meet each other.
I really like RW and I like his style. And I really like what the three of them have created here in both design and content. I also think that those of you that have joined here are the cream of the current whores.


We have been working hard over at the Asylum to build it into the best community site we can and think we are doing a good job. We are no where near done yet and have big plans for the future.
We also have a great group of loyal members that have gelled well and the membership is growing. Some of you are among them.
Some of you may not like the Asylum, some there may not like Tribal. I think that by in large, the most that will occur is members will visit between sites, each knowing where home is. Fresh input, the occasional new perspective. Sounds good to me.
These sites are different, in appearance, content, perspective, and feel. The one thing they have in common is people. I will use an example I gave to Faceplant a while back. they are like bars. I have a bar that I frequent almost exclusively, it's my home bar so to speak, yet I occasionally go elsewhere for a change of scene. I don't go find a bar filled with people I have never seen, I go to a bar that I know has at least a couple of familiar faces. It's easy to slide right in and enjoy myself. One could apply that concept to what we are trying to do here.

RW was right about the fact that this site has more to gain by networking with us than the Asylum does as the Asylum is already established. If we do, I truly hope this site gains a lot. I hope that it will help get this site rocking and rolling (as I think it will in any case). We would like to give what we can to this site and I don't think that giving means losing anything. In the long run, everyone wins.
I did post a rant as to the attitude that I felt was developing against the Asylum as, yes, I would be a little sensitive to that. I am not just a member of the Asylum, I own part of it. My dog was getting kicked.
I went back and deleted the post because I felt that although I had made a few good points, I could have been taken wrong and out of respect to the admin here, I didn't feel right about that.

Look, I like this place, I like the admin and I like the members. I registered here for that reason. I don't need a home, I have one. I just want another bar to pop into on occasion.
I truly think that what we have discussed will make good things happen for all the sites involved without threatening the intergrity or disrupting the status quo of any of them.

Anyway, If I don't quit typing, I am going to look like that dipstick, Paint. The fucker can't say anything without it looking like the unabridged version of War and Peace.

Peace.

[Bishop]

What drinks do you serve at your bar? Y'all have mixed nuts and potato chips? I like cheese sticks too....

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[Uberwonder]

I only drink one drink. Itis a drink named after me and a drink that generally one is enough. It's a modified MaiTai, Bacardi, OJ, Pineapple, and a cap of 151. Made in a water glass with no fruit and an ass whipped bartender that sticks an umbrella on it.

[3MTA3]

Link us up...

I liked the idea of having a small forum at first as I already mod at one thats too fucking big and I visit like 6 others daily...the only thing I would like to see is a continuation of quality threads(this means serious moderation, as in posting to tell people to stay on topic, etc.)...half the reason I dont hardly go to SPF any longer is that everything there sucks ass, all the fucking topics are trash...I hate that...we dont need to be uptight but we also dont need to fuck around and waste each others time...anyway, in my few jaunts to the Asylum I noticed the "in-crowd/clique" thing going on but hey, I didnt even try to extend myself...I was just looking(everyone hated my ass when I showed up at the SPF for the second time and Ive yet to have a smooth transition into a new board, ever since the days of BBS)...seems like they have some good folks and I dont see any real negatives here...by the way, if I start to hate the Asylum for some reason, Im gonna post about it, my opinion is just that, mine, it dosent set the policy of the forum...or its tone...

That is all...

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[Strider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by MuffyTheVampyreLayer:
Some people are just nasty, those who never have a kind word, or make personal attacks for the sake of their own amusement. That is the sort of person I would like to see stopped from coming here. Everything else is just stimulating debate.[/quote]

But...but...but...

*sniffle*

I've been tagged.

SCORE! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Strider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by 3MTA3:
Link us up...

I liked the idea of having a small forum at first as I already mod at one thats too fucking big and I visit like 6 others daily...the only thing I would like to see is a continuation of quality threads(this means serious moderation, as in posting to tell people to stay on topic, etc.)...half the reason I dont hardly go to SPF any longer is that everything there sucks ass, all the fucking topics are trash...I hate that...we dont need to be uptight but we also dont need to fuck around and waste each others time...anyway, in my few jaunts to the Asylum I noticed the "in-crowd/clique" thing going on but hey, I didnt even try to extend myself...I was just looking(everyone hated my ass when I showed up at the SPF for the second time and Ive yet to have a smooth transition into a new board, ever since the days of BBS)...seems like they have some good folks and I dont see any real negatives here...by the way, if I start to hate the Asylum for some reason, Im gonna post about it, my opinion is just that, mine, it dosent set the policy of the forum...or its tone...

That is all...

[/quote]

Fuckin A...he couldn't have said it better...nor could I.

I especially like this part (edited for content):
by the way, if I start to hate the [insert ANY site here] for some reason, Im gonna post about it, my opinion is just that, mine, it dosent set the policy of the forum...or its tone...

Hail 3MTA3, at least one voice of wisdom.




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[Strider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Uberwonder:
Beautifully said RW, and right on the mark.
As I stated in my first thread in here, this place has an incredible amount in common with the Asylum. Both sites sprang from the loins of the SPF (for some reason that sounds really sick) and for similar reasons. We have Stile to thank for providing a venue that we were fortunate enough to be able to meet each other.
I really like RW and I like his style. And I really like what the three of them have created here in both design and content. I also think that those of you that have joined here are the cream of the current whores.


We have been working hard over at the Asylum to build it into the best community site we can and think we are doing a good job. We are no where near done yet and have big plans for the future.
We also have a great group of loyal members that have gelled well and the membership is growing. Some of you are among them.
Some of you may not like the Asylum, some there may not like Tribal. I think that by in large, the most that will occur is members will visit between sites, each knowing where home is. Fresh input, the occasional new perspective. Sounds good to me.
These sites are different, in appearance, content, perspective, and feel. The one thing they have in common is people. I will use an example I gave to Faceplant a while back. they are like bars. I have a bar that I frequent almost exclusively, it's my home bar so to speak, yet I occasionally go elsewhere for a change of scene. I don't go find a bar filled with people I have never seen, I go to a bar that I know has at least a couple of familiar faces. It's easy to slide right in and enjoy myself. One could apply that concept to what we are trying to do here.

RW was right about the fact that this site has more to gain by networking with us than the Asylum does as the Asylum is already established. If we do, I truly hope this site gains a lot. I hope that it will help get this site rocking and rolling (as I think it will in any case). We would like to give what we can to this site and I don't think that giving means losing anything. In the long run, everyone wins.
I did post a rant as to the attitude that I felt was developing against the Asylum as, yes, I would be a little sensitive to that. I am not just a member of the Asylum, I own part of it. My dog was getting kicked.
I went back and deleted the post because I felt that although I had made a few good points, I could have been taken wrong and out of respect to the admin here, I didn't feel right about that.

Look, I like this place, I like the admin and I like the members. I registered here for that reason. I don't need a home, I have one. I just want another bar to pop into on occasion.
I truly think that what we have discussed will make good things happen for all the sites involved without threatening the intergrity or disrupting the status quo of any of them.

Anyway, If I don't quit typing, I am going to look like that dipstick, Paint. The fucker can't say anything without it looking like the unabridged version of War and Peace.

Peace.[/quote]

Hail Uber...he smart too. No reason why the two posts I just replied to can't be viewed in one light. They can work together.

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[The Rapist]

I don't think that evolution gave the dinosaurs a chance nor asked their input. Nature just did what it does best- let other creatures with new talents take over and run with it. Winner survives, loser doesn't. I think that the argument was over before we even decided as a group whether to do this or not.
For my "two cents" I don't care what you talk about, who you talk to (or don't talk to), or how pissy you get in doing so. The important point is are you able to express yourself INTELLIGENTLY, and is there a possibility I might learn something. My only vote is for an IQ standard to be set as the benchmark for being able to post.
At some time RogueW, you may realize that although you fathered this site, it is growing up as IT wants to. Good job Dad. Being a parent is tough.

"You can teach it values, care about it, tell it you love it, and it will still take your money and car keys when you aren't looking"

[zoey]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Strider:

Hail 3MTA3, at least one voice of wisdom.
[/quote]
Pfftt well now that you've gone and called the rest of us idiots... http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


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I loved you, we could have been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you DREAM (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/wishlist/2V8Q3IB8F9B0X/ref=wl_em_to/107-2865667-5707752?add-fav=1) about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM (http://mangled.org) about it
I hope your conscience eats at you and you can't BREATHE (http://engine09.com) without me

[Strider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by The Rapist:
I don't think that evolution gave the dinosaurs a chance nor asked their input. Nature just did what it does best- let other creatures with new talents take over and run with it. Winner survives, loser doesn't. I think that the argument was over before we even decided as a group whether to do this or not.
For my "two cents" I don't care what you talk about, who you talk to (or don't talk to), or how pissy you get in doing so. The important point is are you able to express yourself INTELLIGENTLY, and is there a possibility I might learn something. My only vote is for an IQ standard to be set as the benchmark for being able to post.
At some time RogueW, you may realize that although you fathered this site, it is growing up as IT wants to. Good job Dad. Being a parent is tough.

"You can teach it values, care about it, tell it you love it, and it will still take your money and car keys when you aren't looking"[/quote]


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[Paint CHiPs]

As allows, I am a day late and a dollar short.

*sigh*

Just a few points.

1. I think what wonder meant in his comments to RW were not that you can't say whatever you like. Of course you can, and we wouldn't be so presumptious as to try to censor OUR board, much less someone elses. Rather, there was expressed some concern. I mean, would you link to a site whose Official Position was antagonistic to your site and if the majority of membership already despised you? That would just be a bad move, any way you look at it. However, I am not the sort to try and censor or cry foul, but rather to discuss and try and reach some common ground. Again, I think this concern has been adressed to everyone's satisfaction by now, I am just trying to explain a bit better what our concern was. You don't link to sites that is populated by people who hate you.

2. To those who still have a problem with the Asylum, what I don't get is how you differentiate your site from ours. We both have identical inceptions, goals, objectives, ideals, and a lot of the same members. There are different feels and tones to places which would lend itself to preferences, and I also have no problem that people are simply more comfortable here, but the only concrete reason I have seen here or anywhere else against our site is that they don't like how we are "country clubbish" or "exclusionary". Basically, what people have a problem with is that at our site the members know each other and not you. I understand when that passivly dissuades people from posting there, but as an active reason to bash or hate it, it's pretty lame. And it is also true of EVERY SINGLE FORUM ON THE INTERNET. A side effect of discussions is that you begin to know things about the person you are having a conversation with. An offshoot of fraternity is relationships. And how you would percieve that as being any different here is beyond me. Do you people not enjoy your own relationships, have your own inside jokes? I mean, as a newbie, I don't know 75% of you very well at all, and in a lot of things I read when lurking here I have no point of reference. That does not in any way turn me off to the place. You have a group of people who know each other, and Asylum has a group of people who know each other, and the hypocrisy of bashing a site for the members knowing each other well and preferring instead to post at a board where you know everybody amazes me. For the most part, new people are recieved VERY well at our board, with a few notable exceptions (and let's be fair here, Princess Heather is recieved harshly WHEREVER she goes). And even with those exceptions, the people who are newbie bashing tend to get flamed in return, and they are in the very minor minority. Because we don't censor in any way, they are allowed to speak their peace, as are the people who choose to flame the fuck out of them in return. It amuses me that people who come over from SPF cry foul when somebody flames them a little for being new. WTF? Over there it's open fucking season, and the only reason that a person like that wouldn't see it is because they are "in" over there, the exact thing they are accusing us of. In any case, the main point is that it is the same all over the net, and the only way you can sludge through the muck of the internet is be confident enough in yourselves to exchange ideas without the security of knowing the other person well.

After all, that's what it's all about, isn't it?

Fresh perspectives.

I am talking in circles here.

3. When I signed on to the Asylum Project, I knew jack shit about running boards or what it entailed. I have learned A LOT, and continue to do so everyday. One thing I have learned is that new members are critical, wherever they come from. Hell, new lurkers are critical. Even those people who make one post and leave are absolutly vital to the development of the board. It sounds like a good idea at first to have a forum exclusive to the cream of the crop of SPF, but while that crop is large, most of the cream is in cum shots (present company excluded). It is a limited pool in any case, and to only derive people from there, RogueWarrior said it best "attrittion through stagnation". It may sound like a great idea to be cut off from the rest of the internet, to not get a lot of traffic and to only have the best of the best, but after spending a few months with only those people, you have pretty much resorted to just spinning your wheels. By now I am sure you KNOW what you all think about censorship, or politics, and can identify another member's desktop in seconds. What we finally realized (and we had been courting traffic from the get-go, just not all that actively) is that when there is no new blood, no fresh perspectives, things die out FAST.

Enter the need for networking.

The benefit of having a group of 30 or so members who are very regular and all have personal relationships with each other is that it allows you to set the tone of the forum. But to keep it exclusive to those 30 people is suicide. 25 of them WILL get bored and leave, to seek out people whose ideas they DON'T already know top to bottom. New people, while a lot of them are irritating and unknown, are the oxygen that allow boards to survive. To not recognize that is to be blind to your own destruction. Even very exclusive fraternities have rush once a year.

And also, like I said, the desirables from SPF will be few and far between. I would predict that in 6 months, since the cream of the crop over there now is beginning to migrate here (and make no mistake, once you get a breath of fresh air it is harder and harder to dive in and swim in the shit), all those newbies you hate right now form their own relationships, take your places as being the elite old schoolers, and eventually, will get sick of all the new newbies there and somebody will get the bright idea to start up a board of their own for all their friends, the current SPF royalty of their day. And they will, and be very careful to not invite in all the undesirables, all the annoying newbies of their day. And they will do all of this, and in their forums, they will probably talk mad smack about hypertribe as being an elitist country club. And the ones that do that will, of course, be hypocrites.

And if they don't realize that hypocrisy, they will assure their own attrition.

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[Dog Breath]

Welcome Paint Chips.
Your reputation proceeds you and apparently is well deserved. I can't believe I read that whole thing.
On the other hand, did you read this whole thread? I have, but over several days. It probably makes less sense to read it all at once with the changing mood over time.

Thank you for your insight and respectful tone. Maybe I will go check out your board sometime. I assume by your post it is an open forum. Could you post a link? I bet there is one on the main page here by now. I haven't looked.

Nice to meet you.

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[SisterTaffy]

If I can make a comment here it would be that all of you have made a great impression on me. I like the fact that regardless of the differences everyone seems to want things to work and make this site and forum a great place. I applaud the efforts on everyone's behalf.

One suggestion that I will offer is that a password protected forum be created to be used exclusively for serious topics relating to the development of this forum. No flaming, no BS,no games, just suggestions from those truly interested in this place. All personas etc... left at the door. Just a thought.

I do enjoy it here and see big things happening here.

YIC & Chanel,

Sister Taffy

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[Uberwonder]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Dog Breath:
Welcome Paint Chips.
Your reputation proceeds you and apparently is well deserved. I can't believe I read that whole thing.
On the other hand, did you read this whole thread? I have, but over several days. It probably makes less sense to read it all at once with the changing mood over time.

Thank you for your insight and respectful tone. Maybe I will go check out your board sometime. I assume by your post it is an open forum. Could you post a link? I bet there is one on the main page here by now. I haven't looked.

Nice to meet you.

[/quote]


Why would you want to go over to that place? What a bunch of....
Oh shit, never mind, I live there. (http://www.asylumwhores.com/)

[Paint CHiPs]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Dog Breath:
Welcome Paint Chips.
Your reputation proceeds you and apparently is well deserved. I can't believe I read that whole thing.
On the other hand, did you read this whole thread? I have, but over several days. It probably makes less sense to read it all at once with the changing mood over time.

Thank you for your insight and respectful tone. Maybe I will go check out your board sometime. I assume by your post it is an open forum. Could you post a link? I bet there is one on the main page here by now. I haven't looked.

Nice to meet you.

[/quote]

It's in my sig.

And thank you.

I lurk at SPF (VERY rarely these days), so I recognize the vast majority of the names here, though have had dialouge with very few. Looking forward to it. Today seems to be my HyperTribe day.

And yeah, I am a really verbose motherfucker. Don't ask me why. But in this thread I had to get my word count above uberwonder's. It's in the contract.

And yes, I did read the thread all at once before I posted. And yes, it was, well, actually nice to see how the feel of it started changing. Like I said, I think most of what I typed up was really a moot point, but I had to say it in any case. That is also in the contract. I am the eternal forum troller, kicking back old topics for further perusal.

And finally, yes of course it is an open forum. In all ways. Link in my sig.

In any case, I think this is a really great forum. There have been SPF offshoots since the beginning. Probably about a dozen of them by now. This one works. Somebody, don't remember who (and can't be bothered to read it all again) mentioned that they once started a board that was great for 3 weeks and then died. You guys are incredibly lucky in that you literally inherited a group of really terrific members. That gets you through the crucial start up, the first leg of the journey. You don't have to worry about finding a base, you have that already. What you will come to find in the next few months is that the NEXT hurdle you will have to get over is attrition. Our members went through a phase where they were so sick of each other that they were at everybody's throats, especially newbies. A few people here bore the brunt of that (hi Kaye!). They have since realized their mistake and now for the most part make it a point to openly welcome new members. There will ALWAYS be people who are against progression (both in terms of a board's progression and that of reception of new members), that is inevitable. Negatativity and backwards thinking is often easy, the path of least resistence. Generally, these people are against most everything though (hi Zoey!).

In any case, thought I would share.

And that red biting face still really scares me though.

*hides behind Rabble Rouser*

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[estero]

<font color=pink>The asylum secretly loved me, deep down.

s00z.

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[Uberwonder]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Kaye:
<font color=pink>The asylum secretly loved me, deep down.</font>

s00z.

[/quote]
You know you wanted me too.

[Rabble Rouser]

*adds "human shield" to her job description*

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[Dog Breath]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Kaye:
<font color=pink>The asylum secretly loved me, deep down.

s00z.

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Well I know I do.

What is a s00z?

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