Why can we not just find peace?

[Spooky]

I live in London. I used to live in the country next to a Royal Air Force base. Terrorism and the threat of bombs is part of my life. Why??

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Police say a car bomb which exploded in west London, injuring six people, was a "completely reckless terrorist attack". The bomb exploded near Ealing Broadway railway station seconds after midnight. It was left in Uxbridge Road, about 100 metres from the underground and mainline railway station.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1471000/1471284.stm


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[This message has been edited by Spooky (edited 08-03-2001).]

[Skeet]

Because god doesn't want it that way.

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Soon to come, something that means nothing...

[Spooky]

don't bring that 'absentee landlord' into the debate.

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[Skeet]

Pardon me.

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Soon to come, something that means nothing...

[Mr. Snrub]

Because pure naked force has solved more issues throughout history than any other single factor. And people know this. And unfortunately, some of these people want to get what they want regardless of the cost to others.

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[Deadpool]

At the Asylum, I suggested the UK take a more aggressive approach and let loose these guys-----> <IMG SRC="http://www.diecastcollector.com/collectibles/ImagesMisc/Nigel2.jpg" border=0> to strategically eliminate the element of threat, but I was accused of being a warmonger. I guess people are content with "negotiating". Obviously we saw how that has worked for extremists like the PIRA.


Look what else these fucks did ----> "Paras fundraise for TA blast boy" : http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1451000/1451547.stm


This is sad, considering that I plan on staying in London for awhile in the near future. I would like to feel safe.


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Fuck you I wont do what you tell me. -RATM

[Spooky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Deadpool:
I would like to feel safe.[/quote]

ha. You'll have an american accent. You won;t be safe anywhere http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[Deadpool]

Canadian accent! We are loved all around the world. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif

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Fuck you I wont do what you tell me. -RATM

[Spooky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Deadpool:
Canadian accent! We are loved all around the world. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif[/quote]

sorry...you all sound the same to me http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[Koliedrus]

I think it was 1975 when a teacher told me that "today is a special day in history. At the moment, no wars are being fought anywhere on Earth."

That may have been bullshit but it made me realize the depth of our natural tendancy to fight.

The larger the group, the greater the chance of animosity. Given the long history of the British Empire, the perception of "Western Society" and the fact that Britania est insula tends to make it a target for the world's agression.

Don't get me wrong. If it weren't for the Brits, there wouldn't be any cowboys. Brits were the original American cowboys. They just didn't know they'd end up having to kick Mother England's ass.

How do you find peace? Well, first you get away from the crowd. We seem to have populated all of the major land masses on this planet. How about...

The Moon. No really. Think about it. There are no natives, you can't make it any deader than it is, and a small population could defend themselves more cheaply from that end of the gravity well. (As an example, one person can give a big boulder a shove and sent it crashing down upon his foe, if it ever came to that.)

Uh, oh. I think I may have just figured out why we haven't populated the Moon. "They" won't let us.

Shit!


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[Spooky]

I think I should have rephrased that better. As in 'how can we find a peace' in the specific of NI, and the sever problems the peace process is going through at this very moment,. Monday is make or break day for the process

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[Koliedrus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Spooky:
I think I should have rephrased that better. As in 'how can we find a peace' in the specific of NI, and the sever problems the peace process is going through at this very moment,. Monday is make or break day for the process

[/quote]Oh.

You've just saved me a lot of time. I was about to make comparisons to Gilligan's Island.

Hmmm. How about this: Cut 'em loose. When a tooth begins to give you pain, you do your best to fill it, cap it or repair it by any means. If it starts to hurt for a long time, pull the motherfucker out!

Ah, who am I kidding. Someone should have already thought of that by now.

I'll be the one in the Dunce cap, sitting in the corner if anyone needs me.



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[The Ghost Who Walks]

all people who invaded other countries were thieves before they were murders. Coverters before stealers. It comes down to the ultimate sin of man, and our inability to co-exist in the long term..........

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"First they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I didn't stand up. Then they came for the political dissidents, but I wasn't one of those, so I didn't stand up. Then they came for the Catholic ministers, but I was not one of those, so I didn't stand up. Then they came for the Protestants, and there was no-one left to stand up for me"
"Justice, not revenge"
"The final solution, you see, is really final, because people who are converted can yet be Jews in secret, people expelled can return. But people who are dead can not reappear........."

[Venus]

As long as people have independant minds, they will have different opinions. As long as we have different opinions, there will be conflict. As long as there is conflict, there will be fighting. As long as fighting accures, there will be no peace.

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[Sonja 1]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
Action direct will solve far more problems than it creates.[/quote]

They've been there and done that off and on since the mid-sixties. Even under Thatcher and her "say no to terrorism" stance it didn't work ....

The situation has been placated over the last 2/3 years partly due to the interest Clinton showed in the affair, and the resultant blatant publicity the IRA and Adams received by swimming to your shores, thus being quite happy to stall action whilst basking in international attention

Now Clinton has gone, and American interest and marketing has been ditched by Bush (who doesn't perhaps know where Ireland is) stalling is no longer an option and this new "marketing" strategy now replaces it.

neither side would tolerate direct action - that would be like going back in time a full decade.

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
Every war in human history started with the same idea:

<FONT size="15">They have it. We want it. Let's take it.</FONT s>

Acts of terrorism fall into another category entirely. Those are normally, but not always, religious in nature.

You cannot change the mind of a fanatic: all you can do remove them from the equasion. Blood follows blood as sure as night follows day, but once Pandora's box is open, you're not going to shove everything back inside with wishful thinking or mindless pacifism.

Action direct will solve far more problems than it creates.


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Fanaticism, extremism, fudamentalism is basically like a religon. A lot of people do not understand what this means. The general public thinks that it is possible to talk, a peace with these kinds of people. This is not some kind of business dealing. Unless the terrorist have some kind of grand revaltion or insight in their lives, they are not going to change. What you say to them is not going to change their BELIEFS, you can lock them away and tell them that they are wroing, but that doesn't change their BELIEFS. It is immposible for you to convince them that what they have done could be wrong because what they have done, is in their opinion, Justified. This isnt some kind of ideaology that we are dealing here. Ideaologys can change and be contested. Go find out for yourself. Go up to a priest and try to convince him that God does not exhist.



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Fuck you I wont do what you tell me. -RATM

[Back Tick]

Because without government we'd have chaos. And no way to assure protection of those who seek it.

And with government we give a select group of people freedom to oppress the masses, with the concent of the masses.

Then we get a group of these groups, all wanting the right to oppress even larger groups still.

I consider religion in a way a government in its own right.

Its all about the follownig:

Country A: "I have the sovereign right to oppress people who live here!"

Country B: "Hey! Thats my land! _I_ have the sovereign right to oppress people over here!"

Country C [vatican]: "We are all equal under god, and only we have the right to oppress people everywhere, since are are an extension of god himself"

Country A fights Country B, Country C stands at the side line, and just has an easier time oppressing everyone in the end, while many are near death and seek spirituality as they lose all rights to oppress anyone ever.

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