Women. . .

[squee]

<FONT face="Trebuchet MS">...are like parking spaces:

The good ones are taken...
The close ones are handicapped...
And the rest are just too far out.

Can't remember who to credit for the quote...</FONT f>

[skalie]

I like women

[Dog Breath]

And they are all hot and slippery in the middle. Even the handicapped ones.

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If it's so sick, why are you laughing?
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[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">And they have the uncanny ability to declare their love for you and point out everything you don't do right in the same breath.</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="orange">Even the losers...
Get lucky sometimes.</FONT c>

[PB]

Hey we aren't all bad...

I consider myself to be a great woman.. sometimes i just think that I attract the wrong kind of guys.. but that is just my luck I suppose.

SO you are wrong.. not all the good ones are taken.. I am by no means fat.. but if men would stop trying to find a living barbie doll that has no brains.. maybe we wouldn't have this problem either.. lol

I am pleasant, funny, cute, friendly, outgoing.. can cook.. raise a son alone.. have a good personality, always horney... and most people who really know me , like me quite a bit.. I am not a Bitch.. ( i can be) but not usually.. and I give the man that I have absolutely any and everything he could possibly want.. Yet I still am here! having this conversation.. instead of getting what i deserve.. lol.. i know that's just bullshit.. but .. not all women are evil.. it takes getting over the wrong ones to find the right one... and maybe you are just looking in the wrong direction!


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Why do we love the one that hurts us? And hurt the one that loves us?

[PB]

Please excuse the Psycho moment... of babble..


<FONT size="6">NEXT!!!!!</FONT s>

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Why do we love the one that hurts us? And hurt the one that loves us?

[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Psychotic _ Bitch:
Hey we aren't all bad...


SO you are wrong.. not all the good ones are taken.. I am by no means fat.. but if men would stop trying to find a living barbie doll that has no brains.. maybe we wouldn't have this problem either.. lol

I am pleasant, funny, cute, friendly, outgoing.. can cook.. raise a son alone.. have a good personality, always horney... and most people who really know me , like me quite a bit.. I am not a Bitch.. ( i can be) but not usually.. and I give the man that I have absolutely any and everything he could possibly want.. Yet I still am here! having this conversation.. instead of getting what i deserve.. lol.. i know that's just bullshit.. but .. not all women are evil.. it takes getting over the wrong ones to find the right one... and maybe you are just looking in the wrong direction!


[/quote]

Yeah, WHAT SHE SAID. EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID.



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<IMG SRC="http://www.thehypertribe.net/irc/stats/Html/inky.gif" border=0> There are days I drop words of comfort on myself like falling leaves and remember that it is enough to be taken care of by myself.

[Mordecai]

Fuck you, no really, FUCK YOU. I object to the idea that all men want is "barbie with no brains". Maybe if you women stopped believing this all the time and stopped being so worried about that shit yourselves, you'd be able to realize when a man actually gives a damn. Yeah, thats right, while I can only speak for myself, I don't give a fuck about your tits, I don't give damn for your legs, I mean yes I like to look at nice ones, but thats why we have porn. What I give a fuck about is the "we" part of a relationship, as in are we friends? if the answer is no, I don't care if you can be used as a flotation device, you get the boot. SO quit whining about how all men want is a brainless barbie. I don't know any men that like stupid women. And yes they like pretty girls, but they might get over it if you quit obsessing about it. Yes thats right, you, because women obsess more about appearance than men any day. Thats my rant. get some confidence in yourself and come buy me a drink.

-m


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Is that all?

[gone~away]

women fucking LOVE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU until they see the next guy.......

shit..........

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[disturbed]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by gone~away:
women fucking LOVE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU until they see the next guy.......
[/quote]

it is too bad i am never the "next guy"

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[Goatboy]

<FONT COLOR="Red">A 'Barbie with no brains' sounds pretty good right now.

Ladies, please form a line to the left.</FONT c>

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[PB]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mordecai:
Fuck you, no really, FUCK YOU. I object to the idea that all men want is "barbie with no brains". Maybe if you women stopped believing this all the time and stopped being so worried about that shit yourselves, you'd be able to realize when a man actually gives a damn. Yeah, thats right, while I can only speak for myself, I don't give a fuck about your tits, I don't give damn for your legs, I mean yes I like to look at nice ones, but thats why we have porn. What I give a fuck about is the "we" part of a relationship, as in are we friends? if the answer is no, I don't care if you can be used as a flotation device, you get the boot. SO quit whining about how all men want is a brainless barbie. I don't know any men that like stupid women. And yes they like pretty girls, but they might get over it if you quit obsessing about it. Yes thats right, you, because women obsess more about appearance than men any day. Thats my rant. get some confidence in yourself and come buy me a drink.

-m


[/quote]

Let me clarify my thought atleast... Not all men.. JUST the men that I seem to run into. I am an attractive girl, have a nice figure.. and a fairly reasonable high level of intelligence.. many good qualities.. and consider the most important part of a relationship to be the "we" part and the fact that my man is one of my best friends.. I amnot speaking for all men.. and i can not speak for all women.. cause i know quite a few bitches! Just that the majority of the men that i know are like that, i don't care if my man looks at other women.. shit.. i'm usually the one picking and pointing them out! That's not the issue.. just that sometimes the beauty comes before the actual woman.. i know quite a few guys that go for the dumb type! ANy man that can hold my attention for more than a month... atleast has a fighting chance... i look at relationships the old way.. like i think that they should be.. but with my own personal experience.. this is what i have seen.. So.. take your Fuck You back.. cause it wasn't meant for all men! Thanks.. this has been a public service announcement by your board Bitch!

Inky..... we should seriously get together.. we seem to have quite a bit in common!

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Why do we love the one that hurts us? And hurt the one that loves us?

[Mattdecay]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mordecai:
I don't know any men that like stupid women.


[/quote]

Stupid guys like stupid women. (Most of the time)

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This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality.
Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.
all this pain is an illusion.


</center>

[Inky]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mordecai:
Fuck you, no really, FUCK YOU. I object to the idea that all men want is "barbie with no brains".... I don't give a fuck about your tits, I don't give damn for your legs, I mean yes I like to look at nice ones, but thats why we have porn...

Wow, what a set of contradictions there Mord!!! You don't care but hey, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PORN!

I don't know any men that like stupid women.

Really? I know plenty! They don't care much as long as they are easy on the eyes.

And yes they like pretty girls, but they might get over it if you quit obsessing about it. Yes thats right, you, because women obsess more about appearance than men any day. Thats my rant. get some confidence in yourself and come buy me a drink.

That doesn't make any sense. Men like pretty women but they might get over it if women quit worrying about it. hmmm... so it's our fault?

Mord, I know you well enough to know that you really don't care about the wrapping paper as much as you care about the gift inside, but alot of men aren't like that. And some of your statements I think show your own ambivalence about it.

I refuse to starve myself to conform with some kind of unrealistic beauty standard, that men support and uphold with their comments and dollars. I don't worry about it all that much, beyond the fact that I can't seem to meet a decent guy irl because they can't get seem to get past the extra 10 lbs I carry to see what I have on the inside. Frankly, I have stopped looking.

oh btw, goneaway, I am incredibly loyal in my relationships, when I am in one, I don't even look at other men. I have no interest.

too much generalization going on here.

Have any of you ever read the Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolfe?

here's a review for you:

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
In a country where the average woman is 5-foot-4 and weighs 140 pounds, movies, advertisements, and MTV saturate our lives with unrealistic images of beauty. The tall, nearly emaciated mannequins that push the latest miracle cosmetic make even the most confident woman question her appearance. Feminist Naomi Wolf argues that women's insecurities are heightened by these images, then exploited by the diet, cosmetic, and plastic surgery industries. Every day new products are introduced to "correct" inherently female "flaws," drawing women into an obsessive and hopeless cycle built around the attempt to reach an impossible standard of beauty. Wolf rejects the standard and embraces the naturally distinct beauty of all women.

New York Times
... shows us yet again how much we need new ways of seeing.

I highly recommend this book to anyone interested.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385423977/o/qid=990746787/sr=2-1/104-4514021-7056705





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<IMG SRC="http://www.thehypertribe.net/irc/stats/Html/inky.gif" border=0> There are days I drop words of comfort on myself like falling leaves and remember that it is enough to be taken care of by myself.

[Deadpool]

The only things I can attract are flies. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
No no, I don't smell, I am speaking metaphorically http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/mad.gif

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Fuck you I wont do what you tell me. -RATM

[Lady Sianna]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>orig posted by mordecai:

Yes thats right, you, because women obsess more about appearance than men any day. Thats my rant. get some confidence in yourself and come buy me a drink. [/quote]


<FONT COLOR="purple">BARTENDER!! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

but really...i must concur with this part of your rant. women are <u>way</u> more obsessed with how we look than men are.

we are societally indoctrinated from birth that women have to look a certain way to be attractive to a man. and yes, mordecai, hun...men, as well as women, perpetuate that myth. but fuck that noise! the most beautiful thing about women (& men) are our differences, the subtle details...

btw...have i mentioned what a rockin' group of ladies we have in this tribe?! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif


p.s. goatboy - be interested in a fiery nymph with brains?! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="red">surrender to the naked darkness...</FONT c>

[Lady Sianna]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>orig posted by deadpool:

The only things I can attract are flies.
No no, I don't smell, I am speaking metaphorically [/quote]

<FONT COLOR="purple">sorry to double post, but this demanded a reply!

dp...i find that <u>very</u> hard to believe! i don't even know what you look like...but am already intrigued by your mind. and i am certainly no fly, silly boy! so get yourself some confidence & buy <u>me</u> a drink... http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif</FONT c>

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<FONT COLOR="red">surrender to the naked darkness...</FONT c>

[Mordecai]

blah blah blah blah, meet the woman I am seeing these days, short, overweight, and not attractive. Do I care? Nope, she rocks, we're friends these days and thats all that matters. She doesn't worry about her appearance and so I don't have to hear about it, therefore I don't think about it. My point is, while the "pretty" women are nice to look at, fantasize about, I've found that most of them are pretty worthless when it comes to a relationship. The "not so pretty" ones are often just as bad because they're obsessed with their own ugliness. Every once in a while, you find one that is comfortable with herself and her appearance, and those are the truly beautiful ones, no matter what they look like.
Don't try to "logically" dissect these posts either, logic has nothing to do with matters of the heart. So nyeah!

-m


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Is that all?

[Rabble Rouser]

Inky, you've said everything I was going to say.



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"We must put an end to this. We've seen enough body bags and ballsacks." - Henry Kissinger

[Mordecai]

Ok, look at it this way, Yes there are men who are concerned with nothing but looks, I, however disagree with it being a majority. Also, if a guy is that damned shallow, would you really want anything to do with him? Why? is HE that good looking? *wink*

-m


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Is that all?

[Kayla]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Dog Breath:
And they are all hot and slippery in the middle. Even the handicapped ones.

[/quote]


possibly the funiest thing ive heard all day


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So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

[rage]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>originally posted by inky (and agreed with by rabble)
I refuse to starve myself to conform with some kind of unrealistic beauty standard, that men support and uphold with their comments and dollars[/quote]

Ok, inky, rabble, you're my friends, and I love you to death, but you are WRONG! You sound like you are trying to put all the blame on men. Dont even blame us for what hollywood, and Cosmo-type magazines, do to female minds. We are not to be held responsible.

The only reason you blame that on US is because the only ones whoever do shit like that to you, are the ones who are model wannabe's, and you cant take your eyes off of them, so you dont see a perfectly normal, caring, person, who is only "average" in looks or below. And believe me, there are alot more "average" looking guys in the world, who will treat you how to be treated, but you dont care enough to even see them, because "they dont look good enough". Or you "are to good for them." (I'm not directing this at either you or rabble inky, I am saying, this is what alot of women are like).

Dont blanket men like that, and blame us for something we didn't do, and most men dont encourage, but if you do go down that road, remember it is a two way street.



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" Three - legged Jeans.
Not as dumb as acid wash"

[Billyman]

if women did not exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning.

<u>Aristotle</u>

[Mordecai]

Whoot! go rage! you tell em!

-m


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Is that all?

[Mr. Snrub]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by rage:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>originally posted by inky (and agreed with by rabble)
I refuse to starve myself to conform with some kind of unrealistic beauty standard, that men support and uphold with their comments and dollars[/quote]

Ok, inky, rabble, you're my friends, and I love you to death, but you are WRONG! You sound like you are trying to put all the blame on men. Dont even blame us for what hollywood, and Cosmo-type magazines, do to female minds. We are not to be held responsible.

The only reason you blame that on US is because the only ones whoever do shit like that to you, are the ones who are model wannabe's, and you cant take your eyes off of them, so you dont see a perfectly normal, caring, person, who is only "average" in looks or below. And believe me, there are alot more "average" looking guys in the world, who will treat you how to be treated, but you dont care enough to even see them, because "they dont look good enough". Or you "are to good for them." (I'm not directing this at either you or rabble inky, I am saying, this is what alot of women are like).

Dont blanket men like that, and blame us for something we didn't do, and most men dont encourage, but if you do go down that road, remember it is a two way street.

[/quote]


The problem is women see high fashion models as what women want. But there is a flaw in the reasoning - models are there to model clothes that are designed by GAY MEN and bought by OTHER WOMEN. Models aren't attractive. If you want to know what men want, look at an industry that is built around providing women that men want - PORN. Jenna Jameson has the perfect female body, not Kate Fucking Moss.


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This day, like any other day, is like no other.

[Minimaul]

I want a girlfriend.

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[Cruise Director]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Inky:


I refuse to starve myself to conform with some kind of unrealistic beauty standard, that men support and uphold with their comments and dollars.


[/quote]

I take exception to this. I tip the fat strippers just as much as the little tiny ones. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Anywho, I just love women. Every woman I have ever met has qualities that are unique to them. Even the stupid ones have something going for them somewhere. I believe that the key is to find the person who most closely matches what you are looking for; whether it be brains, hair, legs, or big feet. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



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[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Snrub:
If you want to know what men want, look at an industry that is built around providing women that men want - PORN. Jenna Jameson has the perfect female body, not Kate Fucking Moss.
[/quote]

hahahahahaha!!!!!! that's funny!!!!

Jenna Jameson and her fake breasts?

Your "perfect female body" doesn't exist. She had to buy those. They aren't real.

Is this how women attain perfection?

I may be 10 lbs overweight but it's all me.

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<IMG SRC="http://www.thehypertribe.net/irc/stats/Html/inky.gif" border=0> There are days I drop words of comfort on myself like falling leaves and remember that it is enough to be taken care of by myself.

[Deadpool]

You guys think this "ideal" woman and man thing is a recent thing. It isnt. It goes back centuries. First, I will require you people to look up the word ideology in the dictionary. I'll elaborate later, cause im gonna pass out soon.

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Fuck you I wont do what you tell me. -RATM

[Rabble Rouser]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Inky:


hahahahahaha!!!!!! that's funny!!!!

Jenna Jameson and her fake breasts?

Your "perfect female body" doesn't exist. She had to buy those. They aren't real.

Is this how women attain perfection?

I may be 10 lbs overweight but it's all me.

[/quote]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

If you don't want someone picture-perfect, why do you drool over pornstars? By doing that, you're holding us up to an unrealistic standard of beauty. How are we ever going to think we're decent looking if our bodies aren't half plastic and perfect in every way? Maybe if guys drooled over non-airbrushed photos, we'd feel better about ourselves as a whole.

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"We must put an end to this. We've seen enough body bags and ballsacks." - Henry Kissinger

[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Rabble Rouser:
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

If you don't want someone picture-perfect, why do you drool over pornstars? By doing that, you're holding us up to an unrealistic standard of beauty. How are we ever going to think we're decent looking if our bodies aren't half plastic and perfect in every way? Maybe if guys drooled over non-airbrushed photos, we'd feel better about ourselves as a whole.

[/quote]

/me high five's Rabble!

What she said!!!!!

okay. i am really going to bed now.

http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

/me drags imperfect but absolutely real and huggable ass upstairs.



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<IMG SRC="http://www.thehypertribe.net/irc/stats/Html/inky.gif" border=0> There are days I drop words of comfort on myself like falling leaves and remember that it is enough to be taken care of by myself.

[PB]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Inky:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Snrub:
If you want to know what men want, look at an industry that is built around providing women that men want - PORN. Jenna Jameson has the perfect female body, not Kate Fucking Moss.
[/quote]

hahahahahaha!!!!!! that's funny!!!!

Jenna Jameson and her fake breasts?

Your "perfect female body" doesn't exist. She had to buy those. They aren't real.

Is this how women attain perfection?

I may be 10 lbs overweight but it's all me.

[/quote]

Exactly...

But then again.. Jenna Jameson did kill herself too now didn't she... but i have to admit.. she was fine as hell before she did!



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Why do we love the one that hurts us? And hurt the one that loves us?

[Lady Sianna]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>orig posted by inky:

I don't worry about it all that much, beyond the fact that I can't seem to meet a decent guy irl because they can't get seem to get past the extra 10 lbs I carry to see what I have on the inside. Frankly, I have stopped looking.[/quote]

<FONT COLOR="purple">inky...methinks you're b-yoo-ti-full! (i snuck a peek at your pic.) http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

women are <u>supposed</u> to be curvy & voluptuous! our bodies were designed that way.

as mordecai has illustrated...real men see beyond the exterior to the beauty within. they are out there! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif (and oddly enough, quite a few of them seem to be members of our very own tribe!)</FONT c>


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<FONT COLOR="red">surrender to the naked darkness...</FONT c>

[MAC]

Perfect woman?

First of all, she can't be perfect or I'll look like and ass and kill myself from shame with in the hour.

She needs to be willing to clean fish.
Sitting under the trees with me at sunset.
She must think things like butts are funny unless its me farting
(this is a reality stipulation)
She needs to have a family that sux so she'll make damn sure ours rocks.
She needs to be a go getter who knows when she's about to be got.
She doesn't have to be fearless but she has to know what she fears so she can let me kick its ass.
It would be haelpful if we don't like all the same shit so we can still have a little personal time.
But she needs to be able to tell me what's on her mind.(this one is totaly unrealistic)
She must loose her goddamn mind at least every two or three months so that I can absolutely love her when she's sane again.

And it would help if she'll clue me into which clothes are "not to be washed by theMAC"
I want someone to do the dishes with not to do the dishes for.

Yep.
That's her.
Purty ain't she?
I Love you Mrs.theMAC.
http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif


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[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

I don't know what the big deal is. Most guys say that they like those Jenna dolls, and I am sure they do, but when it comes down to it, most men like women. Period. They like large breasts, small breasts, lean firm hips, voluptuous rounded hips, a flat tummy, the curl of a fuller tummy, long lean legs, soft round legs... etc.

I am by no means perfect in body shape... hell, having children does the most disgusting things possible to a body - and lets just not even TALK about the stretch marks (yeah, I have stretch marks, whats it going to do, give you a limp on???), yet I have yet to meet a straight man I can't make drool http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

That sounds really arrogant I know... but fuck it, its true. You guys should admit it, you love us soft alluring femmes, and the only reason none of you would date a someone who wasnt a Jenna doll would be out of fear of ridicule from your so called friends.

Bah. Get over it, its not about what they look like, its about how good they are in bed!!! J/K

[Buddha's Penis!]

muffy is right, as are others, guys just want women.
i wanted to point this out:
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Rabble Rouser:

If you don't want someone picture-perfect, why do you drool over pornstars? By doing that, you're holding us up to an unrealistic standard of beauty.
[/quote]
see the problem? nobody is holding you up to any standard, we're just looking at porn. to call this unfair is to say it's unfair when anyone says anyone is attractive. nobody can deny that some people are more attractive than others, but that doesn't put pressure on me to look like brad pitt. men like to look at hot naked women, but that doesn't mean that they are settling for less with you.
this unfair ideal is largely in your own mind.

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you don't know anything until you know everything.

[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Buddha's Penis!:


see the problem? nobody is holding you up to any standard, we're just looking at porn.

men like to look at hot naked women, but that doesn't mean that they are settling for less with you.

[/quote]

You contradict yourself BP. Men like to look at hot naked women so they look at porn.

Define a hot naked woman.

She should be the one laying next to you in bed at night, the one that married you, the one that had your babies. The hot naked woman should be the one who gives you sexual pleasure, whose body is soft and warm laying curled next to yours at night. The way her hair falls against her cheek, or the freckles that appear on the bridge of her nose after too much sun. Her soft skin, the way she smells after a bath. Your friend, your partner. The one who is there for you.

Not some liposucked-silicone-implanted-drugged-up-prostitute.

I have more to say about this, but it will have to wait till after i return from the doctor.

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<IMG SRC="http://www.thehypertribe.net/irc/stats/Html/inky.gif" border=0> There are days I drop words of comfort on myself like falling leaves and remember that it is enough to be taken care of by myself.

[This message has been edited by Inky (edited 05-25-2001).]

[Buddha's Penis!]

men look at porn because it's there. i would bet that you could put a man in a woman's prison and he would still look at porn. some women seem to be hurt by this, but they shouldn't be.
i think it ties into what mordecai was saying; we look at porn because it's a pretty picture, like a nice car, but YOU are the real thing. porn can't hug or laugh or even fuck, and men aren't thinking "i'd really like to meet that sylvia saint, start a family. she seems like a real sweetheart." no man would throw away actual love for pure physical attraction. you are broadcasting your own insecurities onto a largely innocent male population.

porno is not a threat.

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you don't know anything until you know everything.

[Mordecai]

Interesting.

posted by rabble:
If you don't want someone picture-perfect, why do you drool over pornstars? By doing that, you're holding us up to an unrealistic standard of beauty. How are we ever going to think we're decent looking if our bodies aren't half plastic and perfect in every way? Maybe if guys drooled over non-airbrushed photos, we'd feel better about ourselves as a whole.

Funny, I don't really drool over pornstars, my preferred form of porn is erotica. However, this does not mean that I don't like to look at "pretty" girls. I also like to look at pretty birds, beautiful sunsets, flowers, the mountains, cars I like, nice house, fine craftsmanship. Physical beauty is what is, pleasing to the eye, no escaping that. This does not mean however, that this is what I lust after and constantly seek to stick my dick in. I just like looking at it.

Posted by theMac:
She needs to be willing to clean fish.
Sitting under the trees with me at sunset.
She must think things like butts are funny unless its me farting
(this is a reality stipulation)
She needs to have a family that sux so she'll make damn sure ours rocks.
She needs to be a go getter who knows when she's about to be got.
She doesn't have to be fearless but she has to know what she fears so she can let me kick its ass.
It would be haelpful if we don't like all the same shit so we can still have a little personal time.
But she needs to be able to tell me what's on her mind.(this one is totaly unrealistic)
She must loose her goddamn mind at least every two or three months so that I can absolutely love her when she's sane again.

When you find one, see if you can pick me up one too.

Posted by Muffy:
I am by no means perfect in body shape... hell, having children does the most disgusting things possible to a body - and lets just not even TALK about the stretch marks (yeah, I have stretch marks, whats it going to do, give you a limp on???), yet I have yet to meet a straight man I can't make drool

I believe you 100%, mothers are sexy! mmmmm mmmm. Pheremones have more to with man being turned on than anything, and I swear after a woman has a child or two, their pheremones get stronger.

Posted by Inky:
She should be the one laying next to you in bed at night, the one that married you, the one that had your babies. The hot naked woman should be the one who gives you sexual pleasure, whose body is soft and warm laying curled next to yours at night. The way her hair falls against her cheek, or the freckles that appear on the bridge of her nose after too much sun. Her soft skin, the way she smells after a bath. Your friend, your partner. The one who is there for you.

Ain't no lies in that thar paragraph. Thats just s description of bliss. Thats what I want, I don't care if I watch the pretty waitress walk around, it's not like I'm sitting there fantasizing about sex, I'm probably not even thinking about her, I'm just letting me eye absorb shapes that please it. It's like when sit my hammock and stare up through the trees, I'm not thinking about the trees, I'm elsewhere, but having the trees in my vision adds to my contentment.

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[AcidzCraze]

<FONT COLOR="blue">Outward beauty is what you make it. Its the clothes you wear, and how you carry yourself. Its the confidence that leaks from your eyes as you smile at a man as he walks by. Its your security you have reguarding your body that radiates in your presence. </FONT c>

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[Inky]

Originally posted by Buddha's Penis!:
men look at porn because it's there.

hahaha, BP, my dear, that is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. And I have heard it alot, from men. Sorry, you're going to have to do better than that.

some women seem to be hurt by this, but they shouldn't be.

Here's my theory. As children, boys are taught to eroticize women, and girls are taught to eroticize...WOMEN! Most men can remember their first look at a Playboy magazine, maybe even their dad showed them. I remember my first look at sexual imagery, it was a playboy magazine belonging to my friends dad and no, her mom didn't take us aside and give them to us. Really, there isn't much in the way of erotic male imagery out there for women, and if there were, I think women would still consume female erotic imagery. I don't think we like it all that much, or feel sexually aroused by it. Media studies say if you want to sell a car, you put a beautiful sexy woman in the ad with it, it will sell to both men and women. Take a look around on some of the image boards on the asylym and such, you will find women posting porn pictures of women. You don't mind that because we are both getting off on the same thing, and oh, isn't it a huge turn on for men to think of women together?

So if the tables were turned, and women had at their hands imagery of buff naked guys posing, and we really truly liked it, (I will speak only for myself here and say that I don't)and we turned it into a multimillion dollar industry and every mainstream hollywood movie had some gratitous male nudity thrown in just for the ladies, you would be okay with this? You would not be hurt if your partner surfed the net looking for hetero male porn, and got herself off by looking at these? You wouldn't feel the slightest bit insecure or threatened with all these buff guys wandering around in the nooks and crannies of the female mind?

seriously think about this, it is not an even playing field, men are in no way objectified to the degree women are. You have no idea what it is like.

Btw, I saw a study where they showed men pictures of their real life partners, and asked them to rate their attractiveness. Then the men were shown pictures of models actresses, beautiful people. Then the men were asked to rate their own partners again. Their ratings dropped considerably. The study also went on to say that never before have men had so much imagery of "beautiful" women at their fingertips. We are inundated with it. Look around you.
In times past, there might only be one or two girls available for marrying in your village. Too much choice is sometimes not a good thing.

no man would throw away actual love for pure physical attraction. you are broadcasting your own insecurities onto a largely innocent male population.

My ex chose porn over me. He had many addictions and porn was one. He said "It has nothing to do with you" and you know, he was right, it did have nothing to do with me because I would lay in bed at night alone while my boyfriend masturbated to porn, day in day out. He had the same bullshit lines,"They are pretty", "I like looking at it", "It's there", but in the end, he couldn't see how damaging it was to our relationship, or to me, and he refused to give it up.

Oh, and to answer the inevitable questions, yes he said he found me attractive, and yes, we had great sex when we actually had it, and no, I am not horrible in the sack.

porno is not a threat.

don't even get me going. the porn industry and related sex industries eat up and spit out girls by the score. And that's just on that end of things. I am not saying that porn is inherently bad, but it isn't inherently good either.

I think we are living in a time of convenience, and for men their former dirty little secret (yes men never used to brag about enjoying porn so openly. a man who looked at alot of it would be looked down at for not being able to get any irl, hence the need for it.) is now a badge of honor for them. It's easier, less expensive, and less time consuming for a man to masturbate to porn than it is for him to meet the needs in a real relationship. Porn is an easy fix.

Really pathetic, actually.

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[Demi]

some people, in this room, need to get laid.....

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[Demi]

with a real person! :P

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[Inky]

Demi,

how long have you been here?

And you have 19 posts?

Stop posting granny porn on public terminals and SAY SOMETHING!!

Demi is stuck in Calgary with a truck full o' porn and he is bored!

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[Demi]

did you check when i registered?
i post when i can say something that has no meaning to the subject, or i find that it has some relevance to the matter.

and i like being an ass! http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif
UNF!

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[Demi]

if any of you live in Calgary......die!

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[Inky]

I am just kidding demi...

I don't post unneccesarily either.

However you have given me an idea. I can increase my post count by having something extra to say.

For example...

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[Inky]

I can just post another response!

Yay!

That worked well.

okay back to the topic at hand.

women, men, porn and stuff.

continue, please http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[Demi]

don't get smart with me young lady!!!!
you wait till i get home later next week and i'll teach you a lesson you'll never forget!!!

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[AcidzCraze]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Inky:
Originally posted by Buddha's Penis!:
men look at porn because it's there.

hahaha, BP, my dear, that is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. And I have heard it alot, from men. Sorry, you're going to have to do better than that.

some women seem to be hurt by this, but they shouldn't be.

Here's my theory. As children, boys are taught to eroticize women, and girls are taught to eroticize...WOMEN! Most men can remember their first look at a Playboy magazine, maybe even their dad showed them. I remember my first look at sexual imagery, it was a playboy magazine belonging to my friends dad and no, her mom didn't take us aside and give them to us. Really, there isn't much in the way of erotic male imagery out there for women, and if there were, I think women would still consume female erotic imagery. I don't think we like it all that much, or feel sexually aroused by it. Media studies say if you want to sell a car, you put a beautiful sexy woman in the ad with it, it will sell to both men and women. Take a look around on some of the image boards on the asylym and such, you will find women posting porn pictures of women. You don't mind that because we are both getting off on the same thing, and oh, isn't it a huge turn on for men to think of women together?

So if the tables were turned, and women had at their hands imagery of buff naked guys posing, and we really truly liked it, (I will speak only for myself here and say that I don't)and we turned it into a multimillion dollar industry and every mainstream hollywood movie had some gratitous male nudity thrown in just for the ladies, you would be okay with this? You would not be hurt if your partner surfed the net looking for hetero male porn, and got herself off by looking at these? You wouldn't feel the slightest bit insecure or threatened with all these buff guys wandering around in the nooks and crannies of the female mind?

seriously think about this, it is not an even playing field, men are in no way objectified to the degree women are. You have no idea what it is like.

Btw, I saw a study where they showed men pictures of their real life partners, and asked them to rate their attractiveness. Then the men were shown pictures of models actresses, beautiful people. Then the men were asked to rate their own partners again. Their ratings dropped considerably. The study also went on to say that never before have men had so much imagery of "beautiful" women at their fingertips. We are inundated with it. Look around you.
In times past, there might only be one or two girls available for marrying in your village. Too much choice is sometimes not a good thing.

no man would throw away actual love for pure physical attraction. you are broadcasting your own insecurities onto a largely innocent male population.

My ex chose porn over me. He had many addictions and porn was one. He said "It has nothing to do with you" and you know, he was right, it did have nothing to do with me because I would lay in bed at night alone while my boyfriend masturbated to porn, day in day out. He had the same bullshit lines,"They are pretty", "I like looking at it", "It's there", but in the end, he couldn't see how damaging it was to our relationship, or to me, and he refused to give it up.

Oh, and to answer the inevitable questions, yes he said he found me attractive, and yes, we had great sex when we actually had it, and no, I am not horrible in the sack.

porno is not a threat.

don't even get me going. the porn industry and related sex industries eat up and spit out girls by the score. And that's just on that end of things. I am not saying that porn is inherently bad, but it isn't inherently good either.

I think we are living in a time of convenience, and for men their former dirty little secret (yes men never used to brag about enjoying porn so openly. a man who looked at alot of it would be looked down at for not being able to get any irl, hence the need for it.) is now a badge of honor for them. It's easier, less expensive, and less time consuming for a man to masturbate to porn than it is for him to meet the needs in a real relationship. Porn is an easy fix.

Really pathetic, actually.

[/quote]

<FONT COLOR="blue"> Damn. Damn Damn Damn. Excellent rant. </FONT c>

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[Rabble Rouser]

Inky...I applaud you. I couldn't have put it better myself.

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[Demi]

oh yeah, i wanted to say.....

what's the point to look at porn when you have the realthing?

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[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">As current president of the "He-Man Woman Haters Club", I declare war on this thread which has become Anit-Men by a select few women posting here. You know who you are.</FONT c>

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[Buddha's Penis!]

i myself am not a fan of pornography, and didn't think of so-called "porn addiction" when i was thinking about this. it is true also that i don't know what it's like to be objectified to that extent, especially not on a cultural level.
and, your ex is apparently a gimp of epic proportions.

however, not every woman feels threatened by pornography, and this indicates a lot of subjectivity on your part. the lines you quoted were often out of context and did not illustrate my points fully.
as for the rating of partners, if i'm going out with a 7 as compared to a supermodel 10, i'm not holding this 7 over her head, or wishing that her flaws would disappear. there's a difference between honesty and superficiality.
you also failed to address the point both i and mordecai made (mord made it better):
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Physical beauty is what is, pleasing to the eye, no escaping that. This does not mean however, that this is what I lust after and constantly seek to stick my dick in. I just like looking at it.
[/quote] to say that we look at porn "because it's there" isn't to excuse its use. ask a man why he masturbates, you'll get the same answer. "why not?" until a guy has a reason to stop, he probably won't. if, as in the case you were talking about, he doesn't stop, it's because he's stupid and/or weak.
to a normal well-adjusted man porn is no substitute for the real thing. my initial statement stands, except for the part about porn not being a threat to relationships, thanks to the supreme fuck-uppery of your ex-boyfriend.

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[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mudflap:
<FONT COLOR="Orange">As current president of the "He-Man Woman Haters Club", I declare war on this thread which has become Anit-Men by a select few women posting here. You know who you are.</FONT c>

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[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">YOU are the ring leader Inky. Prepare to feel my wrath. Or my willy, if you don't mind.</FONT c>

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[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mudflap:
<FONT COLOR="Orange">YOU are the ring leader Inky. Prepare to feel my wrath. Or my willy, if you don't mind.</FONT c>

[/quote]
Hey, wait....there are men here???? Where???
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Hey babe, i don't hate men at all. I am just making some observations. Feel free to discuss them reasonably and rationally within this thread, and I will keep making you eat your shorts. http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

/me loves men

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[Mudflap]

<FONT COLOR="Orange">Reasonable and rational are not at my disposal tonight. Besides, I really have nothing of importance to add to this thread.

"Women suck" "no, men suck!"

Blah blah blah...

I'll find another dead horse to beat.</FONT c>

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[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Mudflap:
<FONT COLOR="Orange">
"Women suck" "no, men suck!"

</FONT c>

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show me where anyone said that...

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[squee]

I am learning what attracts the kind of woman I want.

They like energy. I am energetic. They also like someone who is confident and at ease and that comes from having such great friends and coworkers. I feel pretty good. Who knows when I might meet the right one? I find lately I don't want to just stick each one I meet. I like going out and having a fun time more than I like all the sexual tension. I'm only 21--am I old before my time? http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/smile.gif

[MAC]

Some good points in this thread.
But how does beauty always get mixed up with desirability?
Physical appearance is not positive or negative. Its 1-100. No 0.
Personal appearence is what we call personality. Its the actions and the thoughts and how well they mesh.

Physical appearance and personal apearance decide the degree of beauty you attribute to an individule.

In the case of your wife. The total package is a must. But you should have a much better view of how the thoughts mesh with the actions. The depth of her personality is an incredibly factor in your assessment.

In the case of prOn the actions are the only thing you see. They are all the personality you can attribute. So the need is there for excess in beauty. Even to the degree of fantasy.
DO NOT attribute fantasy to the prOn actress.
ITS ALL YOU!

Finally I'll add this:

Desire has two parts.
1)The risk
2)The reality

The risk is that you lust for it.

The reality is the other person returning the willingness to risk it.

These two in conjunction make the desire potent.

Now the desire is set in motion.
Are they desirable?
Are you willing to risk it to be with them?
Do they reflect that same emotion?
(Most people are incredibly dishonest about this line of questioning)

that's all....

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[ms. bing]

I want to make sure everybody knows that THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
It seems to me like we have a bunch of single women who are all up in arms about what men want. Ladies, if you really knew what men truly wanted (if there were such a general statement) it seems to me that you would have one.
Personally I have never had a problem, and I am not blonde, I do not have a perfect figure, and I have never gone out of my way to conform physically to anyone else's standards. It's really very easy to attract a man, a woman can pick up a man and bring him home for sex virtually any night of the week. The trick is figuring out how to find the man you still want in bed in the morning, and then how not to screw it up. That, ladies, lies in figuring out what YOU want, not the men.

[rage]

<font color="#cc0000">*rage thinks this whole thing is pointless.</font>

Most women do the same thing as most men. Maybe not in regards to pornography, but in regards to other things. You judge men by the way they look. almost EVERYONE does it. Inky, rabble, acid.....you guys would no sooner date a buck tooth, pimple faced man, who has one eye, a crooked nose, one leg longer than the other, and 3 fingers, than any guy would. Yeah, we can sit here and say back and forth that "no, I'm not like that" but, most of us are. I think both the guys and the girls in THT have established the fact that beauty isn't the most important thing, that pornography is looked at, whatever. So lets come off it. Most females hold men up to standards too.....actors mainly...the brad pitt-looking men probably get laid more than someone who looks like the guy I described. It doesn't matter if the brad pitt guy is a complete asshole, and the ugly guy is the nicest, sweetest, most caring, PERFECT man in the world. OK?!!!! we both do the same fucking thing. Yeah, so we have established that most of us here at THT don't follow that line of reasoning. Great. Ok. Fine. NOW CAN WE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND QUIT TRYING TO LAY BLAME AT THE OTHER PERSONS GENDER?!?!!?!?!? WE ARE BOTH FUCKING GUILTY.

"You must first take the log out of your eye before you can take the splinter out of your friends." -Layman's translation...

If I see this post at the top one more time, and come to find some stupid ass rant, attacking a gender for something stupid, I'm gonna kill someone. SO STFU!!!!!!!!!

The END.

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[Inky]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by rage:


If I see this post at the top one more time, and come to find some stupid ass rant, attacking a gender for something stupid, I'm gonna kill someone. SO STFU!!!!!!!!!

The END.

[/quote]

hi rage http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

I haven't bothered to scroll up and look at my previous posts in this thread, but I am willing to hazard a guess that I have proposed that this issue is more about a general societal malaise than one gender specific.

If I have done any finger pointing at men, let me just say that I hold women equally responsible for their part in it. A magazine like Vogue is just as much part of the problem as Playboy. Both encourage unrealistic stereotypes. Women need to stop buying into this shit.

Okay?

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[rage]

ok, inky...you'll live http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/wink.gif

But there is no denying that most of the posts above are attacks.

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