Overpopulation...what you can do to help...

[3MTA3]

Kill yourself[yes, I had to write that as it was the obvious one, moving on]...

Ok, seriously...according to some, overpopulation is a serious issue...I wanna know how much you people know about the subject and what your thoughts on it may be before I launch into some long winded diatribe...

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[gone~away]

i think that these people have the right idea

http://www.vhemt.org/

but seriously.. i like china's one child policy... even though it doesnt work... i think that the world wasnt meant to house 8 billion plus humans....

[Poteen]

I think the chinese people has the worst case of overpopulation..

[Mattdecay]

Scares the hell out of me. Even though I'll probably not be affected by it. My child (ha! adding to the overpopulation) may be affected in some way perhaps. We shouldn't be in the Soylent stages for a while. The New World Order/Worldwide police state that RW mentioned in another thread will probably have some pretty interesting solutions to the problem.

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[TokenCracker]

I hate populated areas, its either trailer trash or rich assholes moving in right next to my rich-but-not-an-asshole-(except on the internet) ass and it makes my massive acreage that I am on right now all the better. quiet and dim, nobody that would think that I would snoop on them to be found (my neighbors always think I spy on them, I know because I do, but if they ever asked i'd punch him to the ground and tell him that nobody is interesting enough to make me spy on them and that I cant believe they think of theirself as worthy of spying) and I can go outside and fuck my girlfriend and the worse thing that could happen is for the dog to come along and try to get in on it. I can go off four wheeling through my own pit off mud (I let people ride on my land and shit weekends) and I get snow during the winter. Yep, my life is quiet the hell.

[Mattdecay]

P.S. I do not have a child. My bitch/girlfriend/future wife wants one, so I guess I have no choice...

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[Poteen]

Originally posted by Mattdecay:
P.S. I do not have a child. My bitch/girlfriend/future wife wants one, so I guess I have no choice...



Dont EVER think like that!

[Minimaul]

This is the way I figure it:

There are a shit load of people on this hunk of dirt. That's true. I think that all of those people that should have died by natural selection , or survival of the fittest ( I don't know the difference , if there is one). Anyway , on with my examples ,and explanations.


Stupid people , the one's that are so dumb that they walk in front of busses . You know them. You'd think that there would be less of them but theirs not. Because some cock sucker has to save them. But pushing them out of the way. So , the way I see it is that we should let the fuckers get hit by the bus. Let their stupidity take them out.

I don't think I worded that right , but it makes sense to me , and it made even more sense when some friends and I were talking about it totally hammered. I can't really explain all that I have to say due to my limited vocabulary. I know what I want to say ,but I just can't get it into words. Know what I mean ? Anyway .

I hope I made some sense. Or you can at least understand what I'm trying to say.

[Mattdecay]

Originally posted by Minimaul:

Stupid people , the one's that are so dumb that they walk in front of busses . You know them.

Yeah, or the people that are surprised when they contract cancer after years of smoking. They don't need anti-smoking ads. Let the people that don't understand that putting SMOKE into your fleshy organs is bad for you, keep smokin it up.

Don't need ads for seatbelt-wearing either. If you don't understand that being strapped to your seat during a collision will keep you from most physical harm...

P.S. I smoke. :P

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[TokenCracker]

Originally posted by Minimaul:
I think that all of those people that should have died by natural selection , or survival of the fittest.

think what you dumb motherfucker! that they should have died! fucking be clear on what you saying and dont trail off afer putting shit in (these), beotch. now what were you saying about those stupid people that make mistakes and walk in front of a bus and deserve to get hit and die?

[Minimaul]

Cunt.


That the people that stop the fuckers from getting hit by the bus should stop stopping them from getting hit by the bus. If everyone let the stupid bastards get hit by the bus , then those people wouldn't reproduce. And it would make less people, and less reproduction of dumb people.

That's what I wanted to say. (sometimes I start thinking about boobies and I start typing in parenthesis ) . ( * ) ( * ) (boobies!) (SHIT I DID IT AGAIN!) ( | )

[Minimaul]

Originally posted by Mattdecay:
Yeah, or the people that are surprised when they contract cancer after years of smoking. They don't need anti-smoking ads. Let the people that don't understand that putting SMOKE into your fleshy organs is bad for you, keep smokin it up.

Don't need ads for seatbelt-wearing either. If you don't understand that being strapped to your seat during a collision will keep you from most physical harm...

P.S. I smoke. :P




I don't wear my seatbelt. hehe

[zoey]

Birth control is a goodie, people should think about using it once in a while.

[Rabble Rouser]

I really don't think that unless some massive killing sprees happen, there's nothing we can do. We're already overpopulated. All the education about childbearing, birth control, etc isn't going to do anything if people aren't going to listen.

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[Tanis Half Elven]

Ummm just one little thing about Natural Selection and Survival of the Fittest...we've adapted beyond such things.

In places of over population there is a drought which causes a food shortage. Here comes Christian Children's Fund with food.

Virus' and plagues break out. The Atlanta center for disease control and Berkeley University come up with cures or ways to slow the virus to a crawl.

So that leaves earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, land slides and other elemental disasters. We adapt the builders and detecting technology causing less death than there would be 100 years ago.

Hmmm I guess that leaves war which can't be allowed to happen if it'll affect Uncle Sam's profit. Of course when you botch something on the homefront there is no better time to stop ethnic cleansing while CNN gives Ma and Pa Public front row seats. (Restoring your good name and making them forget that little scandal.)

Even if a meteor was destinied to strike the planet we'd adapt and dispose of it before it got the chance. Nope only people that can stop Over population is the government...if you pay them enough...

[zoey]

i'm too tired to think. i will just leave you with one of my favourite and well-used quotes:

"I realized that [humans are] not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet"

-[i]Agent Smith, The Matrix

[Tanis Half Elven]

Hmmm. Would it right and/or proper to kill millions if the means were available at the moment. It all depends on wether you are talking about raining missles down upon an unexpecting "foriegn"(if it's the american's doing it) population or do you mean when someone contracts lung cancer to let Mother Nature take her course? Well the first one would be cruel cause they have rights and constitions which buy them protection (but paying people to go out and kill as many deer as they can in four days to "thin the herd" is ok) as for the latter well...there is a reason for the cancer to be there.

You know what maybe there are enough resources to take care of everyone. (Oh by the way on a completely off topic how bad are homelessness, malnutrition and inefficenticy of hospitals effecting your area?) The people who say there are enough resources are usually members of the church (who have everything given to them), politians looking to buy votes and the heads of companys like Nabob and Canadian Tire when they donate trucks full of water to disater areas in attempt to buy some decent PR.

The easiest way to attack this problem is to ask you what makes us want to keep John Smith who got in a car accident and is now a vegetable on life support in the hopes he'll come out of his coma 2 years down the line but when a horse trips and breaks its leg we shoot it cause it wouldn't be able to survive on it's own if it were out in nature?

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[gone~away]

I think that perhaps people are coddled too much in society.. particularly in societies with free health care (like mine)

i think the world is overpopulated, of that there is no doubt i believe... solutions are mostly infringements of people's rights..

(everybody join VHEMNT http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/biggrin.gif)

but i thnk that everybody, particularly in countries that are less developed and perhaps less intellectually developed should try and realize what their ten children will do to the world instead of gov't instilling policies that wont work. i don't mind the gov't stepping in.. but that is because i don't want children.. particularly not more than one.. i am biased..

Tanis has a point in that killing millions of people is inhumane (bombs and such) but also.. who says modern medicine is a blessing?? who says we had to go past painkillers?? why can't we simply usher people painlessly into death when their time comes instead of playing god and in some cases taking away their responsibility for their life and death?? (lung cancer victims)

i am leftist, and am inclined to let these people live, to help them even, but that contradicts another belief of mine.. to keep the world in great shape.. zoey quoted it best.. humans are a cancer...

and i... i am confused http://www.thehypertribe.net/ubb/frown.gif

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[King Bastard]

I give you 2 gems I've stumbled across in my journeys, neither of them are confirmed, but both are amusing....

I forget the country, but somewhere in Africa where there is minimal food and water to sustain the people there, some do-good agency handed out birth control pills to quell the flood of children born for no other reason than to suffer and die. These silly fuckers made candy necklaces out of all the pills.... go figure.

And I've been told that if you took all of the populous of china, and started a procession off of a cliff, they would never deplete their numbers. As they flew from the precipice lemming style, the sheer number of those left to reproduce would sustain the nation forever. now that's odd.

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[zoey]

Originally posted by RogueWarrior:
What of man's Right to Die?

Amen! Free Dr. Kevorkian.

[Tanis Half Elven]

Well Rogue Warrior the way I was looking at the question was like this.

Profit and where it lies.

John Smith the vegtable has Mrs. John Smith paying a nice tidy sum a month to keep him alive. (When you take in parking, and cafeteria food, chiching chiching chiching)

There is more money in Cancer/AIDS research and therapies than there would be in a cure.

Christian's Children Funds feeds starving African children correct but how much of your donatation goes into "adminstrative expenses"?

On the other hand if your in the horse industry and a horse breaks its leg, theres the vet bill, feeding the unproductive horse, stabling it, more medical/rehab sessions. Or there is a buck for the bullet and the price of a replesment horse. (Which by the way would be cheaper then the medical expensives of the injured horse.)

So the reason that there is over population is because there is more money in life then there is in death at the moment. (Money is what makes the world go around.)

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[3MTA3]

Who the fuck is this Tanis fellow?? Damnit...we think alike(for the most part)...what you said about there being profit in life is one of the main points I planned to bring up but since you did it so eloquently, Ill skip it...just to draw a quick parrallel(and not to get off topic) Id like to point out how industry in general is self perpetuating(see: Drug War, Police, etc.)...moving on...

Ever since the release of Dr. Aurilio's book, The Population Bomb(back in 70 something I think), 0 population growth has been a sort of "hot topic" amongst the world elite...the theory basically says that the planet can only support a certain number of people at any given time(it was set at about 4 billion but has changed over the years)...when this threshhold is reached, supposedly, the world will run out of food(energy) and war would be the expected result, as in massive war, the kind that wipes out virtually all inhabitants of earth...so what can be done??

Well, theres only 2 ways to limit population growth... Lower the birth rate to acceptable levels Raise the death rateObviously, the first option is the most practical and humane...this can be done through contraceptives, be they mechanical, chemical, or medical(the people in Africa who used the birth control as necklaces did so for a reason, they are first and foremost uneducated and secondly, birth control is not an accepted practice in their society, more on Africa later), RU-486(the morning after pill), education and legislation similar to Chinas "one child policy"(not feasable in many "free" countries)...I am of the belief that the promotion of homosexuality is also another of these means but Ill leave that for another thread...if these do not work our only option is to raise the death rate...this can be done in many ways...

Firstly, no one would like to pick who lives and who dies(well, maybe some people would) so an anonymous method must be invented...something that can be blamed on Mother Nature...something like the infamous Black Death of history...a microbe which can attack the immune system and thus render development of a vaccine impossible...this microbe could be used against an unknowing public and could be administered through vaccine...who knows what Im getting at??

Another option would be small scale nuclear war(I guarantee that if the powers that be feel the need is urgent enough, they will do so), I believe that small skirmishes and civil wars have been intentionally started by our CIA to test the effects they have on populations(see: Vietnam, Rhodeshia, El Salvador, Iran, Cambodia, etc.) and we have learned that even though signifigant numbers of women and men(verile men of fighting age, between 18-25) have been kiled, a population always remains that is capable of regenerating the numbers lost and sometimes exceeding these(such as the phenomena known as the Baby Boom, the same processes apply)...so it seems the solution lies in human manufactured disease...

As of 98(the last time I saw the numbers and worked within the AIDS community) the death toll due to HIV/AIDS in Africa slightly exceeded the current population of Africa(thats 100's of millions, people)...this disease is ravaging that continent...social factors such as the tendancy of Africans to look down upon any and all forms of birth control, the fact that it is acceptable for African men to have intercourse with more than one woman at a time(no, not a menage a trois[sp??]) who is not their wife(in Africa, men basically take what they want) and the social stereotypes that are associated with disease and hospital care on that continent all make for a ripe breeding ground for this plague...I see no end in sight...

What Im trying to get at here is that it does not matter what you think...it matters what others think...when a person in a position of power sees a problem and moves to correct it, you have no input...your opinion is meaningless and overlooked...you are immediately subjugated to their will through your inaction...this is a fact of life, undisputable, disturbing and permanent...I am firmly entrenched(as are most who work in the AIDS community, yes, Ive even talked to doctors about this and they agree, these Docs came from Emory, Princeton and Duke, they were and are not "quacks") in the belief that HIV was manufactured by a group of scientists, as was the cure(which is being withheld) for the specific purpose of lowering the population worldwide...

In my next rant I will examine the virus itself, its parculiarities, its seemingly "intellegent" nature, and I will try to regurgitate my knowledge on current practices being used to contain and control the virus...

I leave you with this qoute that you can find yourself through the Freedom of Information Act...

In regards to the DOD's(department of defence) 1970 budget, testimony before the Senate Committee revealed that they intended to produce "a synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been aquired. Within the next 5 to 10 years it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and theraputic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease." See H.B. 15090(1969)

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[3MTA3]

Please, Faggot, swallow all my cum before you respond to me...I really hate having my own fuck juice dribble out of your mouth and onto my belly...gayfer...

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