Update on Child Molestation Thread

[PB]

Update from this thread (http://www.thehypertribe.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7433)



This is him...........

Tyler Morning Paper (http://www.tylerpaper.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14480248&BRD=1994&PAG=461&dept_id=226369&rfi=6)

[Koliedrus]

Smith County sheriff's Detective Peggy Scott told the Tyler Morning Telegraph the investigation into the center and its owner began after a small child reported possible inappropriate behavior.

"We began investigating the day care in December after a report was made about an outcry from a child. Since it is a day care, I have to talk to children enrolled past and present, workers and everyone involved. It's a very lengthy process and I don't want to leave any stone unturned," she said.

1. Why'd it go on for so long before the investigation started?

2. If no stone is to be unturned, prep Devin for what's to come (I realize I don't need to tell you that but there it is.)

If you're sure beyond a reasonable doubt, do everything you can to incarcerate that mound of worthless flesh.

Dev might not want to recall the experience but if he knows something that needs telling, make sure he realizes that he'd doing the right thing and that it's not his fault.

You did good, Val, by pulling him out of there on instinct. Good Mom. Great Mom, in fact.

[Cruise Director]

I'm glad to see things are moving along. The sooner the guilty party is behind bars, the better.

[PB]

You did good, Val, by pulling him out of there on instinct. Good Mom. Great Mom, in fact.


IT's funny that you say that - I don't feel like a great mom - i feel like a terrible mom...

The reason it took so long - the children that he has been filed with - is not my child..

When everything happened with Devin - I was devistated! I didn't know what had happened and all I had was a scared 4 year old that couldn't understand why his mom was all freaked out and crying and trying to get him to tell me the truth about who did what to him... I scared him from yes mommy he did it - to no mommy another kid did it ...

I was so eager to deny that the man I trusted with my child had touched him that I believed a friend of mine who assured me that "Brother Jeff" would never do something like that to any kid and how she'd known him most of her life.... The irony to that part of it - it's her daughter that is the victim that began this investigation...

When they went out to investigate him for Devin - I told them that he was the only option - the ONLY male to even have access to him without me being there.. Then after talking to my friend about it - I told them that I no longer believed it was him due to his character and the fact that devin would no longer confirm it... They left him alone after that....

I gave up so easy - but I have paid for that - everytime I have ever left him anywhere for any reason... everytime he has had a friend over to play and they go to his room - for every moment that I'm not right there with him.. I think about it.... it's been that way for 2 years... long before this new investigation..

Why couldn't I protect him?? Why did I just give into the idea that he didn't do it - just for my own comfort... ??? Why didn't I insist they do more?? Is it my fault that this happened to my friends daughter.. that an innocent 5 year old had to find out the hard way what s e x was... and that she had to endure horrible things.. and not just her.. but the other little girl that the second count is for - or the other kids that he did it to and they just haven't admitted it yet.. I feel like a bad mother - and like it's my fault for not doing more....for not protecting my son and the other children...

I was glad he went to jail - it sucked that he was only there an hour and a half... but I am confident that he will be going back for a much longer stay..

It's a great thing the this little girl had more courage than a 25 year old grown woman (my age then) IT's a horrible thing that we had to find it out the way we did..

My son doesn't know this man has been arrested - he doesn't know what has happened to his best friend - i have not decided how or if we will tell him...
does drudging it back up make it worse... maybe leaving it hidden will be best for his future.. I do not know.. CPS wants to put him in counseling.. (and put me in it also) they are not allowed to reinterview him because they already did that once and if they do it again the defense can say they were trying to get him to say something that wasn't true or whatever just by pressuring him.... if he admits it on his own to them - we will fully add another charge to the sheet of existing ones....

So Thank you Kol for the nice words - But I'd be lying if i just said thank you and didn't tell you that I'm not a good mother.. But I think I'm getting better at it..

Val

[Mudflap]

1. Why'd it go on for so long before the investigation started?


(from here (http://www.thehypertribe.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7433&page=2&pp=15))

Here we are... almost exactly 2 years later....

I was not so far off in who I thought did this to my son... I was right on the money... and now he has done it to my friend's daughter. I will not release her name or any further information about her other than to say she turned 7 recently and we know it has been happening a while...

Irony is that her mother is the one that convinced me that it wasn't the "male" that I suspected, and that it wasn't the "male" that has now done it to her own child.... she feels bad for that part, but we stand together to take this man down...

The "outcry of a child" that prompted this investigation came in the form of an emergency room visit by our friend's daughter after that shitbag forced himself upon her. He's 50-something, she was 6 at the time. It was 2 days after the incident in which he injured her and she was still bleeding. Her parents, not knowing the cause of the injury at the time, took her to the ER. That's when the little girl, confused, and afraid for her life, overcame the fear of speaking up, fear that a predator had instilled in her, and she confessed to what he had done to her. I know in my mind that was not the first time "Brother Jeff" (the shitbag) forced himself upon her. I hate that she was injured and needed medical attention, but I'm thrilled that conclusive proof of what this shitbag has been doing to children is now exposed to the light of day and the law. Not to mention some highly pissed off and vengeful parents.

PB couldn't have Brother Jeff fully investigated 2 years ago because her son wasn't physically injured. His problems were in the form of inappropriate behavior with other children at a different day care facility. Inappropriate LEARNED behavior. Her son was too scared to implicate Brother Jeff when questioned about who taught him the things involved with his inappropriate behavior. He was only four years old at the time. PB had her suspicions, but not enough proof. CPS did question Brother Jeff after the incident with PB's son, but they didn't have enough on him to really dig like they needed to in order to fully expose him for the child molestor that he is.

PB's son is now my son too. I wish death for the man that hurt my son. I'd kill him myself if it wouldn't result in my own incarceration, removing my ability to protect my children.

Brother Jeff has been charged and is free on $400,000 bond.

[PB]

PB couldn't have Brother Jeff fully investigated 2 years ago because her son wasn't physically injured. His problems were in the form of inappropriate behavior with other children at a different day care facility. Inappropriate LEARNED behavior.

A little additional info to that comment - He began doing really strange things while still at brother Jeff's daycare - in the form of saying strange things and knowing what certain things were that he had never seen or had no knowledge of what they would even be for...

Like knowing that a condom fits over where you pee and some other things i just can't bring myself to post.. not right now - maybe never..

but the things he did before and after were all learned behaviors -
learned behaviors that CPS agreed were only possible from a male.... and there was only ONE male that it could have been - this man..

God help me for hating him... but I do... to a point I can't even think straight anymore - I find myself so angry and full of rage.. How dare him take a part of me away - and even more.. how dare him take a part of our kids away that can never be replaced...

[Koliedrus]

some other things i just can't bring myself to post.. not right now - maybe never..

While you go through this, you have to keep in mind that closed mouths are part of what allowed it to happen to begin with.

I'm not asking that you open up here with full details but letting the investigation team in on what you know will benefit many. Please, tell them.

[Billyman]

PB, stop beating yourself up about what has taken place and has happened to Devin. Stop questioning how you could’ve avoided it or why you didn’t see it. There are thousands upon thousands of kids in day care facilities on a day to day basis. We as parents only know what exactly is going on with our children when they are completely under our care and we can see them with our own eyes. You as a mother has done and/or is doing what thousands upon thousands of other parents are doing and putting your child in another’s care for a given period of a day. You had no control over what happened nor could you have had any idea that danger lurked. You’ve done absolutely nothing wrong and “what iffing” will not make it any better now. Stop dwelling on “how I could have avoided it” and figure out the best method of fixing it.

Devin IS in need of some form counseling. He needs to remember, he needs to understand it and he needs to learn to deal with it and press forward……………just as you do. Without meeting it face to face and dealing with it now it’ll come back to haunt him later in life…..in some form or fashion……….and the records show, the retaliation isn’t very pretty.

I don’t pray so I have not one for you guys. However, to Brown Family Inc, you are deep within’ my thoughts and my heart. If there ever anything I can do for any of you, gimme a holla. I love you guys.

[Cruise Director]

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PB had her suspicions, but not enough proof. CPS did question Brother Jeff after the incident with PB's son, but they didn't have enough on him to really dig like they needed to in order to fully expose him for the child molestor that he is.

But the fact that they did question him in relation to your boy is a good thing. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire and having an investigation, no matter how menial, already done on this asshole helped in the larger case. Val did the right thing. She really did.

PB's son is now my son too.

You have no idea how big of a man you just made yourself out to be in my eyes. I was wondering how long until I got to read this sentence. My friend, you are my hero.

[Mudflap]

It doesn't take a hero to have your heart won by a really great kid.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

I've said pretty much what I want to say privately to Val...but for the record, PB and Mudflap are doing a smashing job IMO, and I don't think anyone's going to argue there. And Mud, Cruise is right. It may seem the natural thing for you, but if it is so natural how come more men don't do it...hmmm?

[Mudflap]

Fear.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

And one of the most important qualities a hero needs is courage :p

[SimpleSimon]

And one of the most important qualities a hero needs is courage :p

I could not have said it better, Mudflap is the best single thing to ever happen to Devin after his momma, and he is equally the best thing to ever happen Val's life.

[Koliedrus]

I was thinking, "all I can do is repeat the opinions already expressed."

Then I remembered the reputation thingy. I know it's not much but you all get points. I'd rather applaud and whistle but...

[Billyman]

I’m not going into a page full rant about our fellow man Mudflap but if the convo between Tejas PD and me was recorded and sent to the right people, he’d be “the new god” everyone worshiped….or at least whole heartedly respected.

*kneels and offers sword*

[PB]

and he speaks back - here (http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3312218)

Thank you all for the nice words.....and the words to my hubby... they are purely the truth!!!

Muffy - when I gather all I want to say - I will get back to you...

Val

[Stuart]

The issue is that while all evidence may point towards guilt, until he is convicted in a court of law, he is not guilty. One of the precious rights enshrined in both legislation and common law. From what's been said, the evidence points to his guilt, and at that point, I hope he gets the book thrown at him. However, until a judge or a jury of his peers finds him guilty, then he has to be presumed innocent.

[Mudflap]

We presumed he was innocent over two years ago. He went on to continue hurting children.

I do not presume him to be innocent nor will any court proceding ever change my mind.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

The issue is that while all evidence may point towards guilt, until he is convicted in a court of law, he is not guilty. One of the precious rights enshrined in both legislation and common law. From what's been said, the evidence points to his guilt, and at that point, I hope he gets the book thrown at him. However, until a judge or a jury of his peers finds him guilty, then he has to be presumed innocent.
Yet a law designed to protect the innocent somehow seems to function as a convenient tool for the guilty...

Kiddy fiddlers have no rights IMO. I hope the bastard gets his throat cut.

[Stuart]

He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. If we start vigilante justice, who decides what is right or wrong? Who decides who lives and dies? If we ignore the law, we are no better than those people, we are the same set of brigands. If we ignore the law, justice becomes vengance, and vengance often crushes the innocent underfoot.

[Mudflap]

Enough with the comic book speeches, Stuart.

While vigilante justice is abhorrent to many, the all too common inadequacies and corruption of the U.S. judicial system is equally loathsome, if not worse than some good ole fashioned vigilante justice.

If child molestors can't be brought to justice in the courts, then more power to the vigilante that provides it for them.

[MuffyTheVampyreLayer]

If we start vigilante justice, who decides what is right or wrong? Who decides who lives and dies?
Me.

Why else would I study law and moral philosophy?

[MAC]

I'm not typing the "v" word in his thread but on the topic of the members of a society circumventing the order and law of that society to handle things themselves I must add an old allegory


in a democracy consisting of 5 wolves and 1 sheep who decides what's for dinner?


if you think you know the answer tell me why "minorities" can vote at all?

the answer is no system of any society is, in itself, the authority on human actions.
human actions dictate the existance of the society and all its systems. the mean behaviour of the sum of all the systems represents the society's viable climate.

think of it as a potted plant. too much water, sun, soil, or not enough of any of those and it dies. there is a middle ground where the plant flourishes until it canno longer stay in it's pot and there's a margin where the plant withers so slowly that it's hard to say it's dieing unnaturally.

my country requires a tremendous balance of attempted order (law) and potential chaos (freedom) in order to flourish and I'm sad to say this, but the "order" of the criminal justice system as it is keeps many of the unhealthy leaves on our plant from falling off and thus they steal nourishment form the healthy plant and spread their disease to nearby leaves who would not otherwise be stricken.

ok, enough bad metaphors for tonight. later.